The presidential funeral.

[btthegreat]

https://www.funeralhelpcenter.com/us-presidential-funeral-traditions/

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/a-presidental-funeral

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_District_of_Washington

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State... rendered distinguished service to the nation.

Recognising that families have a good deal of influence over these matters, so does public policy. What should we do when Trump's time comes? Assuming he is convicted of a during his lifetimecrime, whether it be obstruction, seditious conspiracy, fraud ( I gather the options are lengthy, even if the chances are shorter) Do we allow someone convicted of a crime to lie in state in the Capital Rotundra? Does the taxpayer foot the bill for a military flyby and a special honor guard representing all branches of the military?

 

[BirdinHand]

Hopefully we will not need to have one of these ever again.

 

[btthegreat]

Personally I am blown by the prospect, but I do feel that whatever the final decision ( Congess has passed bills offering non presidential state funeral rites in the past, so I assume they can deny one) I would never deny paying for security if loved ones request some even to a Presidental felon) Frankly, if we can come up with a deal with the Trump family to avoid this embarrassing predictament, its worth a little extra to convince them not to ask for a full state funeral, which was what Nixon's family did, because they were worried about some taking the opportunity in Washington to show disrespect

Any opinions.

 

[Mycroft]

https://www.funeralhelpcenter.com/us-presidential-funeral-traditions/

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/a-presidental-funeral

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_District_of_Washington

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_funerals_in_the_United_States#:~:text=In the United States, state funerals are the,who have rendered distinguished service to the nation.

Recognising that families have a good deal of influence over these matters, so does public policy. What should we do when Trump's time comes? Assuming he is convicted of a during his lifetimecrime, whether it be obstruction, seditious conspiracy, fraud ( I gather the options are lengthy, even if the chances are shorter) Do we allow someone convicted of a crime to lie in state in the Capital Rotundra? Does the taxpayer foot the bill for a military flyby and a special honor guard representing all branches of the military?

I suspect Trump will be assassinated before anyone ever manages to convict him of any crimes, so the answer to your questions is that President Trump will be afforded FULL honors and traditions.

Sorry if that disappoints.

 

[Rexedgar]

I suspect Trump will be assassinated before anyone ever manages to convict him of any crimes, so the answer to your questions is that President Trump will be afforded FULL honors and traditions.

Sorry if that disappoints.

What’s your batting average?

 

[btthegreat]

I suspect Trump will be assassinated before anyone ever manages to convict him of any crimes, so the answer to your questions is that President Trump will be afforded FULL honors and traditions.

Sorry if that disappoints.

I am always sad when someone is murdered. Its also possible he could be convicted then assassinated. That would make him a former president/ a criminal felon, and also the victim of a violent crime. That's even more emotionally confusing. Being the victim of a crime does not rehabilitate. John Wilkes Booth and Sirhan Sirhan are evidence that dying from gunshot is not redemptive to criminals.

 

[noonereal]

Do we allow someone convicted of a crime to lie in state in the Capital Rotundra?

Oh my God no!

Convicted or not. Trump has no place in teh Capital. That would be a travesty. An insult to democracy.

Let his legions view him in a subway station near Trump Tower. After all, his son-in-law owns the building atop it. I am sure the Saudis will chip in to cover the cost as they financed the building. The deplorables can pack teh subway cars and look out at the platform as the train passes slowly. Oh, that's right, deplorables are frightened of subways. Oh well.

 

[Mycroft]

What’s your batting average?

I see that as irrelevant, but in all honesty I can't answer the question. I haven't played baseball in decades.

 

[btthegreat]

Oh my God no!

Convicted or not. Trump has no place in teh Capital. That would be a travesty. An insult to democracy.

Let his legions view him in a subway station near Trump Tower. After all, his son-in-law owns the building atop it. I am sure the Saudis will chip in to cover the cost as they financed the building. The deplorables can pack teh subway cars and look out at the platform as the train passes slowly. Oh, that's right, deplorables are frightened of subways. Oh well.

We can begin to see already how divisive such a state funeral would be. We'd have protests in the streets, and that is not what a state funeral procession is supposed to induce. It would definitely be best for all concerned is he lie at Mar-a- lago instead, but if his family insists... its going to be complicated for Congress to avoid the issues it presents. Maybe the family will settle for the flags at half mast for a few days.

 

[BirdinHand]

https://www.funeralhelpcenter.com/us-presidential-funeral-traditions/

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/a-presidental-funeral

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_District_of_Washington

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_funerals_in_the_United_States#:~:text=In the United States, state funerals are the,who have rendered distinguished service to the nation.

Recognising that families have a good deal of influence over these matters, so does public policy. What should we do when Trump's time comes? Assuming he is convicted of a during his lifetimecrime, whether it be obstruction, seditious conspiracy, fraud ( I gather the options are lengthy, even if the chances are shorter) Do we allow someone convicted of a crime to lie in state in the Capital Rotundra? Does the taxpayer foot the bill for a military flyby and a special honor guard representing all branches of the military?

You added much to this since my original reply.

Official state funerals should be reserved for those in office IMO.

Others can be granted on a case by case basis.

 

[noonereal]

We'd have protests in the streets

Honest, I don't think we would. Good Americans would simple hold their nose and be repulsed. Eager to get the whole thing over.

 

[btthegreat]

Honest, I don't think we would. Good Americans would simple hold their nose and be repulsed. Eager to get the whole thing over.

Japanese are protesting a Prime Minister's state funeral as we speak. The police are working to contain some violence. And that man had better polling numbers! We have never been accused of being more respectful in face of death than they are before. T

 

[TheParser]

What should we do when Trump's time comes?

1. I have just lost my brother and I am devastated (that's why I can't sleep now at 11:23 p.m., PST). Especially because a caregiver may have mistakenly overdosed him.

2. I imagine that Mr. Trump's eventual death will devastate many members of his family, too.

3. Millions of Americans will also be saddened by his passing. They liked the programs espoused by him.

4. Yes, I believe that he should receive the same honors as any other President.

5. And I hope that his political enemies will maintain a dignified silence.

a. Many people in England "disliked" Lady Thatcher, but I hear tell that upon her death, many of her political opponents simply said nothing in public.

 

[yankintx]

https://www.funeralhelpcenter.com/us-presidential-funeral-traditions/

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/a-presidental-funeral

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_District_of_Washington

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State... rendered distinguished service to the nation.

Recognising that families have a good deal of influence over these matters, so does public policy. What should we do when Trump's time comes? Assuming he is convicted of a during his lifetimecrime, whether it be obstruction, seditious conspiracy, fraud ( I gather the options are lengthy, even if the chances are shorter) Do we allow someone convicted of a crime to lie in state in the Capital Rotundra? Does the taxpayer foot the bill for a military flyby and a special honor guard representing all branches of the military?

Its up to each former President to decide, no one else.

Nixon opted for a funeral at his library. I suspect Carter being the humble guy he is will opt for the same.

Reagan wanted the full show in DC, which was what he got.

When Trump's time comes, as it does for all of us it will be his choice. I am leaning towards a service at a KFC, with party platters for guests. He did spend lot of time there, followed by the toilet.

 

[yankintx]

1. I have just lost my brother and I am devastated (that's why I can't sleep now at 11:23 p.m., PST). Especially because a caregiver may have mistakenly overdosed him.

2. I imagine that Mr. Trump's eventual death will devastate many members of his family, too.

3. Millions of Americans will also be saddened by his passing. They liked the programs espoused by him.

4. Yes, I believe that he should receive the same honors as any other President.

5. And I hope that his political enemies will maintain a dignified silence.

a. Many people in England "disliked" Lady Thatcher, but I hear tell that upon her death, many of her political opponents simply said nothing in public.

5. You heard wrong, there where protest at Thatchers funeral. Americans loved her, but they where not saddled with her poll tax. A most devisive PM for sure.

Instead of "hearing" you could have researched. Saved me the time in correcting your post.

 

[yankintx]

Oh my God no!

Convicted or not. Trump has no place in teh Capital. That would be a travesty. An insult to democracy.

Let his legions view him in a subway station near Trump Tower. After all, his son-in-law owns the building atop it. I am sure the Saudis will chip in to cover the cost as they financed the building. The deplorables can pack teh subway cars and look out at the platform as the train passes slowly. Oh, that's right, deplorables are frightened of subways. Oh well.

NYC don't want him, even dead.

 

[Jason Warfield]

I suspect Trump will be assassinated before anyone ever manages to convict him of any crimes, so the answer to your questions is that President Trump will be afforded FULL honors and traditions.

Sorry if that disappoints.

I don't think Trump will be assassinated, but that's another discussion for another day.

If he's convicted of a crime, then no.

If not, then fine, he gets a state funeral.

But I suspect there won't be that many leaders of state attending, more like a person appointed to stand in for them. Perhaps some leaders who are dictators may say something nice about him from their palaces. I'm sure the MAGA folks will come out to see him off....but it won't that big of a showing, like his inauguration where the stands were empty.

And for political points, a whole slew of politicians will show up in black armbands so they can go back home to get re-elected. They don't actually care about Trump, they just want the votes.

But, we all know that even if Trump dies in his sleep via a heart attack brought on by one too many McDonald's cheeseburgers, QAnon and all the other mouth breathers will claim a conspiracy. Like Scalia. So, I suppose you will have at least that idea to keep posting here....

In any event, I doubt it will be a huge event, but rather a mediocre one full of political theater. It will be just as white trashy as his time in office.

 

[btthegreat]

Its up to each former President to decide, no one else.

Nixon opted for a funeral at his library. I suspect Carter being the humble guy he is will opt for the same.

Reagan wanted the full show in DC, which was what he got.

When Trump's time comes, as it does for all of us it will be his choice. I am leaning towards a service at a KFC, with party platters for guests. He did spend lot of time there, followed by the toilet.

No, I think Congress, has the final word, at least as far as who lies in the Capital Rotundra, should it choose to exercise it.

 

[yankintx]

No, I think Congress, has the final word, at least as far as who lies in the Capital Rotundra, should it choose to exercise it.

It does not require the approval of Congress

Some details:

U.S. Presidential Funeral Traditions – Funeral Help Center

www.funeralhelpcenter.com

Most of this is precedent, it is precedent that only a sitting President lie in repose in the East Room of the WH. An honor given to FDR and JFK in the last 100 years.

 

[Tangmo]

Many people in England "disliked" Lady Thatcher, but I hear tell that upon her death, many of her political opponents simply said nothing in public.

They said she was dead.

Then they went back inside to sing Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead.

The Wicked Witch is Dead.

 

[btthegreat]

It does not require the approval of Congress

Some details:

U.S. Presidential Funeral Traditions – Funeral Help Center

www.funeralhelpcenter.com

Most of this is precedent, it is precedent that only a sitting President lie in repose in the East Room of the WH. An honor given to FDR and JFK in the last 100 years.

No, but they sure can deny approval as its their Rotundra and they can write a bill that specifically precludes just as they have specifically provided approval to several non presidents.

 

[Tangmo]

The incumbent Potus decides on a state funeral of a deceased former Potus and of anyone of considerable popular standing such as inter alia the late Sen. John McCain who was interred at USNA Annapolis. A state funeral for anyone not a former Potus is not common however.

A high profile exception was Gen. MacArthur who received a state funeral in 1965, for instance, but Gen. Bradley and Adm. Nimitz among other prominent WW II victorious commanders did not, to include Gen. Patton who was simply buried in an American cemetery in Europe on Christmas Day 1945, dead from a car accident.

While the great decision and protocols on a state funeral are custom rather than law, to include the family input of the deceased former Potus, the incumbent Potus decides whether to proclaim officially a state funeral or not, ie, or whether to leave everything to a private funeral arranged by the family.

This is the protocol.

Only 15 former or incumbent Potus have received a state funeral, the first national official USG state funeral being for Potus Lincoln. Lincoln's state funeral was national because the telegraph enabled the nation to know Lincoln had been assassinated during the evening hours and in California by noon the following day. The mourning Nation motivated the armed forces to honor their fallen commander in chief and Potus with a special state funeral like no other somewhat state funeral or modest family funeral of a former Potus before it. A transfixed Nation gathered at Western Union telegraph stations to get line by line reports throughout to the interment. This included live reports of Lincoln's formal funeral procession through New York City escorted by troops, and more.

The traitor Trump has no prayer of a state funeral.


Former Or Incumbent Potus Receiving A Formal State Funeral (15 of 46)

• William Henry Harrison - April, 1841
• Zachary Taylor - July, 1850
• Abraham Lincoln - April, 1865
• James A. Garfield - September, 1881
• Ulysses S. Grant - July, 1885
• William McKinley - September, 1901
• Warren G. Harding - August, 1923
• William Howard Taft - March, 1930
• John F. Kennedy - November, 1963
• Herbert Hoover - October, 1964
• Dwight D. Eisenhower - March, 1969
• Lyndon B. Johnson - January, 1973
• Ronald Reagan - June, 2004
• Gerald Ford - December, 2006
• George H. W. Bush - December, 2018

The assassination of John F. Kennedy produced the state funeral that's carved most deeply in America's memory. Here, the remains of Kennedy are lying in state in the United States Capitol Rotunda on November 24, 1963. First Lieutenant Samuel F. Byrd of the The Old Guard of the Army, Military District of Washington DC is the commander of the joint service casket team, standing at the head of the coffin (at our right, thick gold stripe down the uniform trousers).

 

[yankintx]

No, but they sure can deny approval as its their Rotundra and they can write a bill that specifically precludes just as they have specifically provided approval to several non presidents.

Well

We all know Trump will want the full blown State occasion in DC.

 

[TheParser]

5. You heard wrong, there where protest at Thatchers funeral. Americans loved her, but they where not saddled with her poll tax. A most devisive PM for sure.

Instead of "hearing" you could have researched. Saved me the time in correcting your post.

Thank you.

But I heard that most of her most prominent critics actually did show their maturity by simply not commenting (in public).

You say that some people protested at her funeral. What a pity!

 

[yankintx]

Thank you.

But I heard that most of her most prominent critics actually did show their maturity by simply not commenting (in public).

You say that some people protested at her funeral. What a pity!

As i said she was a very devisive figure in the UK. I was there in the UK while the Poll Tax riots where occurring. This sentiment was carried thru right to her funeral.

We Americans have this exhaulted view of her thru the narrow prism of the demise of the Cold War. In the end she ruled as a President, or so she thought, but a British PM rules thru a consensus of the cabinet. In the end even her own ministers realized she needed taking out.