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The Pope's New Years homily and prayer.

Boots said:
No. The government is prevented, by the Constitution, from forcing people to practice a specific religion. Yo7 have it backwards. And the Pope commenting on the belief that people should respect the right to life is not preventing the government from making laws allowing people to kill people.
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It is not backwards. Congress represents the people not the government. So elected representatives, the people in Congress, want their religion to write the rules for all the nation. The Constitution says they can not do that.

I did not say the Pope's homily was preventing the government from governing. The Pope and the rest of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church are most certainly working in Congress and in governments world wide to install their religious dogma as law for all people to follow. They have a long history of doing exactly that starting in about 100AD after they were no longer dealing with the problem of being lions' dinner.
 
weaver2 said:
It is not backwards. Congress represents the people not the government. So elected representatives, the people in Congress, want their religion to write the rules for all the nation. The Constitution says they can not do that.

I did not say the Pope's homily was preventing the government from governing. The Pope and the rest of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church are most certainly working in Congress and in governments world wide to install their religious dogma as law for all people to follow. They have a long history of doing exactly that starting in about 100AD after they were no longer dealing with the problem of being lions' dinner.
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Can an elected representative use her heartfelt belief that capital punishment is wrong to attempt to make laws outlawing it?
 
Boots said:
Can an elected representative use her heartfelt belief that capital punishment is wrong to attempt to make laws outlawing it?
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Elected representatives can try anything they want to try.
 
weaver2 said:
Elected representatives can try anything they want to try.
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Then why are you so opposed to a religious leader speaking to his followers?
 
Boots said:
Then why are you so opposed to a religious leader speaking to his followers?
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I've already stated that I have no problem with the Pope telling Catholics what they should do and what they should believe. When the someone goes on international national TV and radio , speaks in general terms to a general audience, they are not speaking to a select group. They are speaking to everyone and the underlying message in the Pope's homily is Catholic dogma on abortion.
 
weaver2 said:
I've already stated that I have no problem with the Pope telling Catholics what they should do and what they should believe. When the someone goes on international national TV and radio , speaks in general terms to a general audience, they are not speaking to a select group. They are speaking to everyone and the underlying message in the Pope's homily is Catholic dogma on abortion.
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And what is wrong with the Popes message being Catholic dogma on abortion? Al Gore certainly broadcasted his dogma on environmental issues.
 
Boots said:
And what is wrong with the Popes message being Catholic dogma on abortion? Al Gore certainly broadcasted his dogma on environmental issues.
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You originally responded to my post:
"Gracious and heartwarming words "be open to life" but the underlying text is controlling women's reproductive lives by usurping the power of the government and making Church dogma into civil law all women Catholic or not must follow.
With this question:
"How does it "usurp" the power of government? and what precise powers of the government is usurped?"
Which I believe has been discussed and answered more than once. We seem to be going is in circles now.
 
tshade said:
Very poor attempt at dodging...........

and BTW------POT, KETTLE , BLACK
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You didnt offer a single thing to debate...even after I continued to challenge you to do so. But feel free to continue to demonstrate your failure...or...go back and actually provide debatable answers 😁 I'll be here.
 
soap box said:
Actually, the rythym method has another name now , but it's an acceptable way to avoid pregnancy in the Roman Catholic Church. I think it was first acknowledged by Pope Pius in the 1950s.

What is the position of the Catholic Church on Natural Family Planning?

Natural family planning (NPF) or “periodic abstinence” according the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) is an umbrella term for certain methods used to achieve and avoid pregnancies. These methods rely on observation of the naturally occurring signs and symptoms of the fertile...
www.sju.edu www.sju.edu
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TWA method.
 
Boots said:
And what is wrong with the Popes message being Catholic dogma on abortion? Al Gore certainly broadcasted his dogma on environmental issues.
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Environmental issues affect everyone. Abortion affects no one outside the one obtaining it.
 
Gordy327 said:
Environmental issues affect everyone. Abortion affects no one outside the one obtaining it.
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And how is that relevant to whether or not a cleric should be allowed to opine on it?
 
weaver2 said:
You originally responded to my post:
"Gracious and heartwarming words "be open to life" but the underlying text is controlling women's reproductive lives by usurping the power of the government and making Church dogma into civil law all women Catholic or not must follow.
With this question:
"How does it "usurp" the power of government? and what precise powers of the government is usurped?"
Which I believe has been discussed and answered more than once. We seem to be going is in circles now.
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Circles only because you have yet to explain how free speech usurps the government.
 
Boots said:
And how is that relevant to whether or not a cleric should be allowed to opine on it?
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They can opine on largely whatever they want. Although it sems to have little relevance to worship, or to my post.
 
Boots said:
Circles only because you have yet to explain how free speech usurps the government.
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Here's my original statement:"Gracious and heartwarming words "be open to life" but the underlying text is controlling women's reproductive lives by usurping the power of the government and making Church dogma into civil law all women Catholic or not must follow.

How is this now about free speech. As far as I know the Pope is like everybody else and is free to use the public airwaves to present Catholic dogma. Is the underlying text of the homily the thing you are having a problem understanding?
 
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