The Political Left is NOT Pro-Labor

According to this page, the people in NYS have to work until May in order to pay their tax burden for the year. This does not include inflation, which is also a form of taxation.

In my view, this is an absolute travesty. You get only one life to live, and you have spend such a large portion of it working for the goddamn government?

You cannot call yourself "pro-labor" if you support the state confiscating such a large portion of the wealth produced by working people.

Of course, the political left wants taxes to be even higher than are now. Many of them would be happy with people working for the government 9, 10, or even 12 months of the year.

Leftists are fundamentally anti-labor.

 

[Ginger Ale]

Oh yes, the conservative will fix that right up. With children. Much better. Those kids can lower your tax burden.

Instead of paying adults more, some states might let companies hire kids as young as 14 to fill the labor shortage

Republicans in Iowa and Minnesota proposed bills to allow kids ages 14-17 to work jobs with a shortage of labor, like meat packing and construction.

www.businessinsider.com

Already been busted, might as well right the wrong and make it legal! Plus let's add on a provision so that those poor poor corporations that hire those kiddies aren't responsible for any injuries or death they suffer from. It's like a child labor hay day for the right!

Company Employed At Least 102 Kids In U.S. Meatpacking Plants, Investigators Find

The Labor Department says Packers Sanitation had children cleaning "back saws, brisket saws and head splitters."

www.huffpost.com

 

[ttwtt78640]

Since your complaint (and link) is state based, the obvious solution is to move to another state - often called voting with your feet. Of course, there are factors other than taxation rates to be considered, but it’s very hard to get and/or keep government spending under control, which is the ‘root cause’ of government seeking to raise taxes.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

The Political Left is NOT Pro-Labor​

DERP.

Second post from a parallel universe this morning.

Is nelson mandela dead there too?

 

[aociswundumho]

Since your complaint (and link) is state based, the obvious solution is to move to another state - often called voting with your feet. Of course, there are factors other than taxation rates to be considered, but it’s very hard to get and/or keep government spending under control, which is the ‘root cause’ of government seeking to raise taxes.

I used NYS as an example, but I meant total taxation in a general sense.

If someone supports the government confiscating that much of the wealth produced by labor each year, then they can't claim to be pro-worker.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I used NYS as an example, but I meant total taxation in a general sense.

If someone supports the government confiscating that much of the wealth produced by labor each year, then they can't claim to be pro-worker.

As your link’s pie chart notes, very little of that tax revenue is from corporate income taxes. The ‘job creators’ (and the bulk of the donor class?) pay very little (when measured by effective rate) taxes compared to the rest of the population.

Many see entitlement and “safety net” program spending as primarily helping the ‘working class’, but IMHO what those (costly) ‘social’ programs actually do is let the ‘job creators’ offer lower pay and benefits yet still attract qualified labor, since ‘working class’ folks can (and do) depend on the government to make up for much of their meager paycheck’s shortfall.

 

[Helix]

The political right is decidedly anti-labor.

 

[aociswundumho]

The political right is decidedly anti-labor.

No, we on the right want workers to keep the wealth they produce.

 

[Hari Seldon]

According to this page, the people in NYS have to work until May in order to pay their tax burden for the year. This does not include inflation, which is also a form of taxation.

In my view, this is an absolute travesty. You get only one life to live, and you have spend such a large portion of it working for the goddamn government?

You cannot call yourself "pro-labor" if you support the state confiscating such a large portion of the wealth produced by working people.

Of course, the political left wants taxes to be even higher than are now. Many of them would be happy with people working for the government 9, 10, or even 12 months of the year.

Leftists are fundamentally anti-labor.

Yes, those of us in NY like having our garbage picked up, clean water, sewers, public transportation, roads and bridges, police, firemen, building codes, schools with facilities like pools, fields, courts, books and computers. Also parks, we have quite a few. My high-school had a planetarium. How come there are many more states higher levels of people living in poverty?

 

[Helix]

No, we on the right want workers to keep the wealth they produce.

lol

 

[Hari Seldon]

As your link’s pie chart notes, very little of that tax revenue is from corporate income taxes. The ‘job creators’ (and the bulk of the donor class?) pay very little (when measured by effective rate) taxes compared to the rest of the population.

Many see entitlement and “safety net” program spending as primarily helping the ‘working class’, but IMHO what those (costly) ‘social’ programs actually do is let the ‘job creators’ offer lower pay and benefits yet still attract qualified labor, since ‘working class’ folks can (and do) depend on the government to make up for much of their meager paycheck’s shortfall.

Can you say Walmart!

 

[aociswundumho]

Yes, those of us in NY like having our garbage picked up, clean water, sewers, public transportation, roads and bridges, police, firemen, building codes, schools with facilities like pools, fields, courts, books and computers. Also parks, we have quite a few. My high-school had a planetarium. How come there are many more states higher levels of people living in poverty?

If the bold were true then those of you in NY would pay for the things you mentioned voluntarily. The fact that the state has to use threats of violence in order to force people to pay up indicates those of you in NY believe government services aren't worth what they cost.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Can you say Walmart!

Actually, large employers offer better pay, benefits and promotional opportunities than smaller employers do. My point is that a large portion of taxation (mainly paid by workers) simply funds income redistribution (social) programs, which cost those ‘job creators’ very little.

 

[multivita-man]

See Homestead riot. West Virginia Coal Mine Wars.

Then come back to me and tell me what the political right has sacrificed for labor rights compared to the political left.

That's what people don't understand about the labor movement. People died by the hundreds just to have congress recognize the right to bargain collectively.

 

[Nickyjo]

No, we on the right want workers to keep the wealth they produce.

No doubt that’s why the right has been in the vanguard for proposals to increase the minimum wage, provide health care for workers thru the ACA, etc.

 

[aociswundumho]

No doubt that’s why the right has been in the vanguard for proposals to increase the minimum wage, provide health care for workers thru the ACA, etc.

Increasing minimum wage harms workers, it doesn't help them.

You know what harms them even more? Confiscating a large portion of their money.

 

[aociswundumho]

See Homestead riot. West Virginia Coal Mine Wars.

Then come back to me and tell me what the political right has sacrificed for labor rights compared to the political left.

What about it? Workers don't have the "right" to take over somebody else's company, nor is there any "right" to force someone to pay you what you want.

That's what people don't understand about the labor movement. People died by the hundreds just to have congress recognize the right to bargain collectively.

Unions are labor cartels, which is why they had to be made exempt from antitrust laws.

 

[BlueTex]

In America, while Tax Freedom Day presents an "average American" tax burden, it is not a tax burden typical for an American. That is, the tax burdens of most Americans are substantially overstated by Tax Freedom Day. The larger tax bills associated with higher incomes increases the average tax burden above that of most Americans.

The Tax Foundation defends its methodology by pointing out that Tax Freedom Day is the U.S. economy's overall average tax burden—not the tax burden of the "average" American, which is how it is often misinterpreted by members of the media.[12] Tax Foundation materials do not use the phrase "tax burden of the average American", although members of the media often make this mistake.[13]

Another criticism is that the calculation includes capital gains taxes but not capital gains income, thus overstating the tax burden. For example, in the late 1990s the US Tax Freedom Day moved later, reaching its latest date ever in 2000, but this was largely due to capital gains taxes on the bull market of that era rather than an increase in tax rates. In other words, variations in capital gains income and their associated taxes cause changes in the amount of taxes, but not in the income used in the calculation of Tax Freedom Day.

The Tax Foundation argues that the Tax Freedom Day calculation does not include capital gains as income because it uses income and tax data directly from the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). BEA has never counted capital gains as income since they don't represent current production available to pay taxes, and so the Tax Foundation excludes them as well. Additionally, the Tax Foundation argues that the exclusion of capital gains income is irrelevant in most years since including capital gains would only shift Tax Freedom Day by 1 percent in either direction in most years.[14] A 1 percent change would represent 3.65 days. From 1968 to 2009 the date has never left the 21-day range of April 13 to May 3.

Tax Freedom Day - Wikipedia

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[StillBallin75]

1) The "political left" does not automatically mean "more government," we're only conditioned to think that way from an American context. In Europe, anarchism and libertarianism all started out as left-wing ideologies, untainted by worship of capital and the rich.

2) I mean, I oppose taxes just as much as the next person cause so much of it is spent on wasteful if not outright evil shit, but if you're a right-winger trying to justify how much capitalists steal from the surplus value of workers' labor then you have zero place to talk.

 

[Nickyjo]

Increasing minimum wage harms workers, it doesn't help them.

Amazing. The right resists other benefits as too expensive, as moves towards socialism, etc., but they get all dewey-eyed radical in their defense of and solidarity with the working class when anyone mentions raising the minimum wage. I suppose eliminating it completely would be a boon to workers. Silly labor unions, democrats, workers et al. Don’t they know that the right has their best interests at heart?

You know what harms them even more? Confiscating a large portion of their money.

Yes, SS, Medicare, safety inspections, pesticide rules, black lung benefits, all the stuff that seems to benefit workers should be eliminated so workers can take home more pay.

 

[aociswundumho]

1) The "political left" does not automatically mean "more government,"

Look at the platform of any left-wing politician and you will invariably see a massive increase in government power and spending.

For some evidence, consider this communist prick:

Issues | Bernie Sanders Official Website

We are taking on powerful interests who will do and spend whatever it takes to stop us. Change never happens from the top down. Chip in to join the political revolution today.

berniesanders.com

we're only conditioned to think that way from an American context. In Europe, anarchism and libertarianism all started out as left-wing ideologies, untainted by worship of capital and the rich.

The most famous anarcho-socialist on the planet is Noam Chomsky, and he supported the Khmer Rouge and what Chavez did to Venezuela.

2) I mean, I oppose taxes just as much as the next person cause so much of it is spent on wasteful if not outright evil shit, but if you're a right-winger trying to justify how much capitalists steal from the surplus value of workers' labor then you have zero place to talk.

1. If you are middle class in America, taxes are by far your biggest expense:

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2. I addressed the surplus value "exploitation" here:

Surplus Value and Exploitation

In Marxian economics, surplus value is the difference between the amount raised through a sale of a product and the amount it cost to the owner of that product to manufacture it: i.e. the amount raised through sale of the product minus the cost of the materials, plant and labour power. This a...

debatepolitics.com

 

[ataraxia]

No, we on the right want workers to keep the wealth they produce.

So then why would they pass a tax law where tax cuts to labor expire after a few years but tax cuts to the wealthy are forever?

 

[aociswundumho]

So then why would they pass a tax law where tax cuts to labor expire after a few years but tax cuts to the wealthy are forever?

Which laws are you referring to?

 

[BirdinHand]

Not a bad deal here in NJ.

Good infrastructure
Solid school systems - preK starting at age 3
Paid EMT/firefighters/police - I had to call 911 recently, the EMTs were standing in my living room within 5 minutes of making the call!
They spray for nuisance bugs several times a year
Towns clean up lawn/yard waste
Trim back the trees around power lines
Several festivals a year at the local park with free rides, Santa driving through town for kids 2 nights in December waving to kids
County vehicle that picks up seniors and drives them to go shopping/get them out of the house
Medicare/Medicaid/Social security for those that need it
Stipends for individuals to get health insurance off the market
Well maintained parks
Sidewalks, bike trails, etc that are maintained
Stocking of local ponds/streams for fishing annually
Public beaches and parks
Sports leagues for kids - some free, some at a minimal cost (and town covers costs for anyone that can’t afford them so no child is turned away)


Need to drink more coffee to think of all the other things my tax dollars pay for here in NJ.

We have high taxes, but also a high standard of living. Fair trade off in my book.

 

[Nickyjo]

Which laws are you referring to?

Recent GOP tax cuts.