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The Plans Of Insurrection : A Discussion

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Hi!

"The Plans Of Insurrection" is not meant as real or a reflection actual ongoing plans.

I was hoping we could sort of talk about the problems and difficulties "Activists" might anticipate or face if they had an objective of challenging the status quo within a 5 year period of time and to "WIN".

I guess people could just walk down the street wearing "Fake or Imitation" suicide vests. It seems to me that the Ruling Class only listen to those people wearing suicide vests. In every Land, across the universe, if there are people wearing suicide vests, you can rest assured that the U.S. is there begging to help the suicide bombers, promising to spend whatever it takes just to convince the Suicide Folks to quietly remove their Suicide Vests.

Does anybody think that it is possible to WIN via the ballot box? The activists would need a rather large organization in order to have representation at every district. What would be the actual financial cost of just the legwork or just the paperwork only of getting an "INDEPENDENT" Activists" name on every ballot across the country?

And, if the activists won every ballot in 2016, and by chance won the Presidency as well, would that be enough to own the Congress with a majority and to begin making major changes to International Trade Agreements and the Financial Services sector?

Or, would it only be possible to WIN complete control in 2020 because not all Congressmen/Senators are elected in the same year?

Would you trust electronic voting machines over the span of 2 federal election periods after reviewing the capabilities of the NSA and of software firms setting up backdoors? And, as I recall, the Supreme Court claimed that the voting machine manufacturers did not need to publically announce the software/hardware content. It was claimed to be proprietary.

What do you think the Supreme Court would do if the WINNERS began to tinker with these two huge segments (trade/finance) of the economy?

What if the Supreme Court claimed any New Activist Laws to be "Unconstitutional"?

Calm
 
When it comes to controlling the federal government, the ballot box is an illusion, just as Jimmy Carter pointed out a few months back.
 
Hi! Henry David

I sort of view the situation in the same manner as you.

If it is not possible to "WIN" at the ballot box, then the only alternative is "Civil Unrest".

If you were leader of an "Independent Activist Group", and had 100 friends or associates in each voting district across America, what form or acts of civil unrest do you think need to be implemented or carried out? What would be the most effective tool to use?

I view "Civil Unrest" as a "Tool". An introduction of "Financial Cost", and which the majority of these costs affect the Ruling Class.

And, as I have mentioned earlier, the "WIN" must take place within 5 years. (Perhaps 10 years maximum).

I ask this question because I was hoping to carry on a discussion about this. (Thus the reason for my opening this thread.)

Calm

Note: I'm gonna click "Like" at your earlier reply, so you will be notified that I replied.
 
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Hi! Henry David

I sort of view the situation in the same manner as you.

If it is not possible to "WIN" at the ballot box, then the only alternative is "Civil Unrest".

If you were leader of an "Independent Activist Group", and had 100 friends or associates in each voting district across America, what form or acts of civil unrest do you think need to be implemented or carried out? What would be the most effective tool to use?

I view "Civil Unrest" as a "Tool". An introduction of "Financial Cost", and which the majority of these costs affect the Ruling Class.

And, as I have mentioned earlier, the "WIN" must take place within 5 years. (Perhaps 10 years maximum).

I ask this question because I was hoping to carry on a discussion about this. (Thus the reason for my opening this thread.)

Calm

Note: I'm gonna click "Like" at your earlier reply, so you will be notified that I replied.

I am in favor of the ballot box, but I cannot kid myself as to its efficacy. If we were electing angels to office there would be no problem, but angels and humans are not really the same thing.

I guess the bigger point is that the people have been fooled a bit, and that deception is reinforced by constantly talking as though the elections really bring change. They do not.

An example was the "anti-war" candidates who were elected in this country at the zenith of the Iraq war. Even though the electorate quickly became disenchanted with the war, and voted for candidates who were going to end the war, congress and the government kept funding it, kept fighting it, and before long opened new fronts and battles in new places around the globe.

That is NOT controlling the government by way of the ballot box.
 
My main problem with using the ballot box is that even after you WIN, the Supreme Court will refuse to recognize any new law with the claim of "Unconstitutional".

To WIN at the ballot box would probably take about 5 or ten years to achieve and all the efforts will be stymied by the Supreme Court which is owned and operated by the Superclass.

I think that if "Organized" Civil Unrest were to take place over a 5 or 10 year period, all levels of the Federal Government (including the Supreme Court) could be forced to the negotiating table. Civil Unrest would bring the confrontation with the Supreme Court more quickly, that is all. But the results of a "WIN" for the activists seem to be more likely to succeed.

Sooner or later; whether the ballot box or civil unrest, there is certainly going to be a confrontation with the Supreme Court.

If a majority of "Independent Activists" happened to WIN every Federal Election, the Supreme Court would intervene and force a direct confrontation with the "Legal" and/or "Police/Miltary Establishment.

I think that we can almost be certain that the Supreme Court (the superclass) will never allow any fundamental changes to the U.S. Capitalist System. (The International Trade and Financial segments of the economy.)

How do the majority of newly elected Congress/Senator members deal with a confrontation with the Supreme Court?

Calm
 
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Between the username, avatar and OP I'm thoroughly disturbed.
 
Between the username, avatar and OP I'm thoroughly disturbed.

It's signature makes your observation even worse.

Read it at your own risk - yet another foreigner commenting on our business.
 
Hi! SMTA

Oh! .... My profile information is genuine. I never attempted to hide my nationality.

I am a Canadian, but I have followed the American Political System extremely closely. In fact, I am more familiar with the U.S. system of government then I am of my own system of government in Canada. As a kid growing up, (prior to 1970) 99 percent of media in Canada was American content.

I feel sort of like a futurist ..... I know that whatever happens in America is coming or arriving in Canada, but about 5 years later in time.

I am a news/political junkie. I probably read about 75 articles each day out here in Mouse Land. International News or Current Events is my main interest. I could not even tell you who my own Member of Parliament was/is.

And, for sure, the same confrontation with the "Supreme Court" is gonna arrive in Canada, but just 5 years after it arrives in America.

Canadians have a "Democracy" too. We have our Superclass too.

Please try not to be offended with what I contribute here to these forums. I am only having a conversation of sorts.

It's a big world.

Calm
 
I have studied this topic rather closely. I keep copies of what interests me in a database of sorts. I normally don't have it open for public viewing, but will use this opportunity to sort of give you an idea of my sense of history as per world events. Obviously; if it was me who entered the articles and other content, then I must of read them too. So, you could say I was well read, anyways.
I like to keep my database sort of a secret so that Google does not find me and then downloading all the content, (including videos) 24-7.
And, if I keep the database offine, I don't need to worry about hackers and crackers.
(The link below will be okay for the next 12 hours only).
http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/Calms--Calms/forumdisplay.php?f=16

I have read polls where the "Anger Towards Government" is increasing hugely.

I have watched all the anti-terror legislation being passed and have always felt that the real reason was for civilian control. With all the anti-terror legislation, the term "Terrorism" has never been legally defined. Each application or court appearance or arrest is setting legal precedents.

The Middle Class who have once enjoyed the "American Dream" and then to have lost it is going to be huge, there is gonna be "Anger" everywhere.

The Lower Class never really found or enjoyed the American Dream and therefore they are not quite as angry yet. Many of the minority groups are choosing to keep their powder dry during this time of President Obama's years. They don't want to destroy the first black presidency.

Everybody is talking about Hillary Clinton being in the race, but the Middle Class is not gonna vote for some rich lady anymore.

It is gonna be Elizabeth Warren who is gonna be the Ventriloquist in 2016.

The Republican party will need to rebrand itself. When voters are poor, they don't care about abortions and gay marriage. They begin to ask "What Would Jesus Do?"

The Republican party needs to rebrand themselves as the "Law And Order" Party because the Ruling Class easily recognize the upcoming confrontation with the Supreme Court.

That is how I view the "Social" battlefield at the present time.

Calm
 
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My main problem with using the ballot box is that even after you WIN, the Supreme Court will refuse to recognize any new law with the claim of "Unconstitutional".

To WIN at the ballot box would probably take about 5 or ten years to achieve and all the efforts will be stymied by the Supreme Court which is owned and operated by the Superclass.

I think that if "Organized" Civil Unrest were to take place over a 5 or 10 year period, all levels of the Federal Government (including the Supreme Court) could be forced to the negotiating table. Civil Unrest would bring the confrontation with the Supreme Court more quickly, that is all. But the results of a "WIN" for the activists seem to be more likely to succeed.

Sooner or later; whether the ballot box or civil unrest, there is certainly going to be a confrontation with the Supreme Court.

If a majority of "Independent Activists" happened to WIN every Federal Election, the Supreme Court would intervene and force a direct confrontation with the "Legal" and/or "Police/Miltary Establishment.

I think that we can almost be certain that the Supreme Court (the superclass) will never allow any fundamental changes to the U.S. Capitalist System. (The International Trade and Financial segments of the economy.)

How do the majority of newly elected Congress/Senator members deal with a confrontation with the Supreme Court?

Calm

As was demonstrated with the Occupy movement last year, "organized" civil unrest will be thoroughly infiltrated by the authorities. Social Media (which I do not participate in) is a double edged sword. Yes, it's great for organizing, but it's also great for surveillance by the authorities. The government serves and protects Wall Street interests, nobody else.

Secondly, you have not been paying attention, or are just extremely naïve, if you think that the USSC is interested in justice or constitutional governance. It is not. It serves the same masters as do the other 2 branches of the government--the status quo as determined by Wall Street and the military industrial complex.
 
Hi! Henry David

I agree that the "Globalists" (the superclass) have changed democractic government to a lobbocracy.

You mentioned the Occupy Movement and the infiltration by forces loyal to the Ruling Class or the "Palace Guard" as I like to name them.

The major problem with the Occupy Movement was the "Method of Protest" they used.

I don't believe that "Change" can be accomplished with folks "Parading" down the street and antagonizing all the commuters. "Parades" only cause traffic mayhem and chaos and which offends the very people you are attempting to impress.

When the Occupy Movement began to "Parade" down Wall Street, they were actually walking within a "Concrete Tunnel". At the very start of the Protest Parade, the map or route chosen always placed the activists on streets which were boxed in on all sides with concrete buildings which act as barriers or fences.

The Palace Guards love Parades because it is very simple to control activists once they enter or are inside a concrete tunnel. If any activist group wants a permit to protest inside a concrete tunnel, the Palace Guard will gladly give you a permit, because concrete tunnels are easily controlled.

I can only think of one "Protest Parade" which accomplished some recognition of their agenda and that was the immigrant protests in 2006. The protesters shut down complete cities and it became impossible to deliver goods to the retail sector and stores.

Within a week, the Ruling Class agreed to introduce "Comprehensive Reform". Not much has really changed since then, but the protesters did gain the attention of the government.

Calm
 
Hi! Henry David

I agree that the "Globalists" (the superclass) have changed democractic government to a lobbocracy.

You mentioned the Occupy Movement and the infiltration by forces loyal to the Ruling Class or the "Palace Guard" as I like to name them.

The major problem with the Occupy Movement was the "Method of Protest" they used.

I don't believe that "Change" can be accomplished with folks "Parading" down the street and antagonizing all the commuters. "Parades" only cause traffic mayhem and chaos and which offends the very people you are attempting to impress.

When the Occupy Movement began to "Parade" down Wall Street, they were actually walking within a "Concrete Tunnel". At the very start of the Protest Parade, the map or route chosen always placed the activists on streets which were boxed in on all sides with concrete buildings which act as barriers or fences.

The Palace Guards love Parades because it is very simple to control activists once they enter or are inside a concrete tunnel. If any activist group wants a permit to protest inside a concrete tunnel, the Palace Guard will gladly give you a permit, because concrete tunnels are easily controlled.

I can only think of one "Protest Parade" which accomplished some recognition of their agenda and that was the immigrant protests in 2006. The protesters shut down complete cities and it became impossible to deliver goods to the retail sector and stores.

Within a week, the Ruling Class agreed to introduce "Comprehensive Reform". Not much has really changed since then, but the protesters did gain the attention of the government.

Calm

Yes, like the way a flea gains the attention of an elephant. :lol:
 
Hi! Henry David

In my minds eye, when I watch a "Protest Parade", it reminds me of old film clips from World War II and where the Jewish Folks are seen dutifully Parading along the route to the gas chambers and to their deaths. (Sort of like martyrs.)

The Occupy Movement acted just like the gas chamber victims of WWII. The protesters were told which parade route to follow and the Palace Guard were then able to enter the concrete tunnel at any point along the parade route and make arrests. There was no escape possible from the tunnel once the Activist Parade began.

I am also very convinced that the Palace Guard intentionally create as much commuter chaos as possible during Parades with the excessive closure of streets and intersections in order to guarantee the disruption and dismay of the larger population and thus bleed away any support the activists might hope to gain.

Our media continues to propagate the idea that the most civil way or means to display discontent within our society is to organize a "Parade of Martyrs".

I find this such a foolish concept.

Calm
 
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Protest Parades are passé .....

If people "Parade" the Palace Guard will introduce the Active Denial System
Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think there should be a few simple rules that an activist must follow.

Rich Folks don't SH?T in their own back yard.

Well, Poor Folks gotta begin thinking in the same fashion.

If yuh SH?t in your own neighborhood, the Palace Guard might have this in mind for the neighborhoods where Poor Folks live.
MOVE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How I view our present place in "Social" history ....

We need to understand the "Anger" on the streets.

One needs to remember what was happening in Ukraine in the early 1930's and where 7 million Ukrainians were murdered and millions more in concentration camps by Stalin and The Boys. In 1934, according to published statistics, about 38 percent of those holding the most senior posts in Stalin's government and the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

There must of been alot of Ukrainians wandering around Europe with huge animosity towards the Jewish Folks.

In addition; the Lower Class within Europe were having to sell any valuables they had in order to survive, and were quite angry that a majority of the pawn shops were owned by Gypsies and Jews.

People remembered the "Roaring Twenties" and how the Rich Folks flaunted their wealth.

And the anger was huge!

Calm
 
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A bit more history ....

Franklin Delano Roosevelt did not introduce the "New Deal" because it was "Kind To Animal Week".

"And, it didn't happen because FDR was a great guy. It happened because people in this country were so radicalized, were so determined, were so organized, that he was able to sell the new deal to the elites as a compromise because the alternative was revolution."

In 1932/1933, and when Stalin and The Boys were busy killing 25,000 Ukrainians per day, ...

In North America there was huge protests and a planned coup, or a "Business Plot" and plans were underway to take over the White House.
Business Plot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression.

Both General Douglas MacArthur and Major George S. Patton attacked the homeless at their tent city.
Bonus Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I often think about the "Operation Northwoods" incident.
Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is here nor there as to whether or not any president would ever go along with "The Plan" .... It is the very fact that this sort of topic or these type of "Ideals" could be discussed and commented upon at the very highest level of U.S. democracy. One would of thought that if anyone ever-ever referenced these type of actions, that they would of been put before a firing squad immediately.

Calm
 
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The Complaint:

"Corporate Personhood"

The Supreme Court has already ruled that Corporations are Persons as stated within the U.S. Constitution.

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Presently, there is a limit of $123,000 that any individual can contribute to a campaign and the Supreme Court is now looking into lifting the limit or cap.

McCutcheon, et al. v. FEC
McCutcheon

Activists Demand:

Challenge or change all legalities within the U.S. International Trade and Finance Sectors and have it quite clearly known that "Corporations are not Persons".

I would guess that the very first thing that an "Activist Group" would require is a "Plan".

I think it should be a "5 Year Plan"

The 5 Year Plan must be printed and distributed quickly because as each month passes, the more difficult it will become to communicate. Plus; as each day passes, and with each incident of Civil Unrest, there will be Chatter throughout the land, and result in a huge demand for a copy of the 5 Year Plan.

The only reason I have chosen a 5 Year Plan is because there are those who would claim that this could be accomplished through the ballot box within 5 years. (Actually, it would be closer to 10 years.)

At the end of 5 years, and when the newly elected Activist Politicians take their seats, any attempt to alter the Supreme Court decision per "Citizens United", the Supreme Court will refuse to recognize the proposed changes.

So, there is a long route and a short route towards the success of a 5 Year Plan.

The Activists could spend all their energy and financial resources over the first 5 years with attempts to battle Gerry-Mandering and all the legal challenges which the Establishment will throw at them during the 5 Year Campaign.

And, following the "WIN", the Activists would then be met with another 5 Years of "Legal Challenges" from the Supreme Court.

When this happens, the Newly Elected Activists would have little choice but to call upon society as a whole to demonstrate and to protest and force the Supreme Court to "Alter Their Legal Minds".

Thus; in a real sense, the Activists may as well begin the Civil Unrest now and not waste away the 5 Years battling for elected office, because in the end the Supreme Court will not act positively without a show of force.

The "5 Year Plan" must be listed as a calendar of sorts.

A page for each day of the calendar over a 5 Year period. It would mean that someone might choose to become an Activist in year 2 or 3 and could turn to the calendar page at that time and read recommendations as to what incidents of Civil Unrest are planned for that particular day forward.

Day "One" of Year One, might be an "Incident" where any individual chooses to Jay-Walk within their community, and to do this every hour on the hour. Thus, all individuals could choose the exact time or hour of day to perform this "Incident" of Civil Unrest. Some may participate, while travelling to work, at lunch break or the workday ending.

Any recommendations for Day Two of the 5 Year Calendar"

Calm
 
Here is the "Cover Page" for the 5 Year Plan.

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5 years is actually 1,825 days. Each and every Calendar Day of the 5-Year period must contain a "Theme" which would describe several acts of civil disobedience which are being recommened for that particular date.

The reason I chose (or suggested) that the very first act of civil disobedience to be "Jay-Walking" is because it is a very simple task. A slow, casual, meandering, and slouchly walk across the street which might delay traffic for a single minute.

All you need to do is Jay-Walk on any major throughfare or city street at the top of the hour. It could be 10 O'clock in the morning or 8 O'clock at night. Each individual will choose the "Hour" themselves and on any street they choose.

As the Activist crosses the street (Jay-Walks), all they need to do is to look both left and right and they will immediately see the community support they have because of seeing others doing the Jay-Walking too.

"Jay-Walking Days" might be recommened two or three times per month during the first year of the 5 Year Plan, because it is great morale booster as you see others participating.

I also recognize that there is a heck of alot of Jay-Walking happening now, and this benefits the Activists because the larger numbers would have it appear to be a larger share of support within your community.

I am not quite certain if the Rich Folks are capable of being "Shamed" or of feeling "Ashamed". So, the first year of the 5 Year Plan might be geared towards heaping scorn and shame upon the "Community Of Rich Folks".

I do know that the Rich Folks really-really enjoy admiring and/or counting their accumulation of wealth.

Perhaps the second year of the 5 Year Plan might be all about preventing the Rich Folks from ejoying their wealth. Each Calendar Day of Year Two might recommend ways to make sure the Rich Folks can't enjoy their wealth.

Calm
 
I don't think civil disobedience by way of jay-walking is considered 'insurrection'.
 
Hi! Henry David

Jay-Walking is recommended for Day One of a 5 Year Plan.

There are 1,824 days left to go of the 5 Year Plan.

You can't very well issue "Front Window Alerts" on the very first day.

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I am quite convinced that "Jay Walking" would be more effective as a "Method of Protest" than "Protest Parades".

10 thousand people parading down a street will only actually affect that particular street. Perhaps some disruption at 10 square blocks or less.

10 thousand people Jay Walking at the top of every hour (over a 24 hour period) and scattered thoughout the city would cause a wider disruption. The slower the Jay-Walk, the more effective the act of civil disobedience becomes.

And, not just inner city streets ....

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Maybe in Year Two of the 5 Year Plan, those people living in smaller communities could Jay-Walk a railroad freight track (not public transit) and slow down rail traffic? 80 percent of all goods move by freight railway. A freight railway passes through almost every large community in North America.

The main benefit of "Jay Walking" is that you don't need to "Parade" to Washington DC to show dissent. It can be performed in your own community. (Not in "Poor" neighbourhoods though.)

I'm almost 66 years old, so I am not really trying to rally as an Activist, I am simply attempting to discuss the most effective form of protest in order to have the Activist Demands met or at least bring the Ruling Class to the negotiating table.

The Activist Demand (Complaint) is that Corporations are not persons and that money is not speech.

Calm
 
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