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The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works

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SEPT. 14, 2020


The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could go to trial sooner than you think.



Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.


Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.


Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career.

But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.

Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers.

And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”

Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon.

Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment.

Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment.

After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.
 
SEPT. 14, 2020


The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could go to trial sooner than you think.



Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.


Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.


Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career.

But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.

Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers.

And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”

Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon.

Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment.

Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment.

After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.
You got anything to say?
 
Watch, once the tax returns are fully made public, there will be nothing there.
No tax evasion.
No shade accounting.
Taxes paid in full and accurate.

Wouldn't that be yet another case of egg on face, time to eat crow for some.
It's just exactly this that has happened with such frequency over the last 4 years or so.

Thanks. I'll wait for actual charges to be filed and proven in a court of law.
 
Watch, once the tax returns are fully made public, there will be nothing there.
No tax evasion.
No shade accounting.
Taxes paid in full and accurate.

Wouldn't that be yet another case of egg on face, time to eat crow for some.
It's just exactly this that has happened with such frequency over the last 4 years or so.

Thanks. I'll wait for actual charges to be filed and proven in a court of law.
It doesn't matter. This will never go to trial. Making these Trumped up charges stick isn't the goal.
 
Watch, once the tax returns are fully made public, there will be nothing there.
No tax evasion.
No shade accounting.
Taxes paid in full and accurate.

Wouldn't that be yet another case of egg on face, time to eat crow for some.
It's just exactly this that has happened with such frequency over the last 4 years or so.

Thanks. I'll wait for actual charges to be filed and proven in a court of law.

Trump is a stand up guy who doesn't cheat people out of money and gets loans from US banks. It probably plays out exactly as you say.
 
SEPT. 14, 2020


The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could go to trial sooner than you think.



Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.


Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.


Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career.

But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.

Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers.

And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”

Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon.

Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment.

Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment.

After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.

Somebody wake this guy up....he's having a wet dream.....
 
Trump is a stand up guy who doesn't cheat people out of money and gets loans from US banks. It probably plays out exactly as you say.
I guess we'll see

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It doesn't matter. This will never go to trial. Making these Trumped up charges stick isn't the goal.
Agreed

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Trump is a stand up guy who doesn't cheat people out of money and gets loans from US banks. It probably plays out exactly as you say.

Trump is a loud mouthed NYer who's full of himself, and, no, I don't particularly like his public persona. His private persona I have no knowledge about.

That doesn't change the legal requirements the legal system must meet, or exceed, to secure a conviction.
 
This is silly. If there was a case to be made, they would have brought it a year ago. Instead they had an impeachment without an offense.
 
This is silly. If there was a case to be made, they would have brought it a year ago. Instead they had an impeachment without an offense.

Can a state indict a sitting president?
 
SEPT. 14, 2020


The People v. Donald J. Trump The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could go to trial sooner than you think.



Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.


Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.


Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career.

But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.

Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers.

And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”

Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon.

Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment.

Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment.

After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.
LOL. You guys have been at it for four years now. In four years all you've got is Trump might have done this, could have done that, wants to do this.
 
Watch, once the tax returns are fully made public, there will be nothing there.
No tax evasion.
No shade accounting.
Taxes paid in full and accurate.

Wouldn't that be yet another case of egg on face, time to eat crow for some.
It's just exactly this that has happened with such frequency over the last 4 years or so.

Thanks. I'll wait for actual charges to be filed and proven in a court of law.


All of the stories you listed in the 'buzzfeed ' embarrassment' list were minor stories.

BFD.

But, two MAJOR stories that your list did NOT debunk, which counter your premise are:

Secret Money: How Trump Made Millions Selling Condos To Unknown Buyers

(and potentially helped launder money for Russians)



Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father

 
Can a state indict a sitting president?
No, buut the House could have impeached if it was a real issue.

to investigate Trump's crimes. you do know he's committed crimes like running a sham U, right?
Wrong. Instead of a crime, Democrats had to make up a phony reason and the trial ended after opening statements.
 
Trump is a loud mouthed NYer who's full of himself, and, no, I don't particularly like his public persona. His private persona I have no knowledge about.

That doesn't change the legal requirements the legal system must meet, or exceed, to secure a conviction.

actually, he'll get more leeway that you would in the same situation. he's famous and a politician.
 
40 percent of the country is in the tank for him, many of them believing that he is the greatest president since _________ (insert name of random president, to demonstrate that the Trump supporter has no understanding of history).

At least one will be on any jury. And they will never admit he is guilty of anything.
 
actually, he'll get more leeway that you would in the same situation. he's famous and a politician.

He already has that leeway. He can't currently be prosecuted. Life's good when you're orange.
 
No, buut the House could have impeached if it was a real issue.


Wrong. Instead of a crime, Democrats had to make up a phony reason and the trial ended after opening statements.

Did the house investigate his potential violation of New York state law?
 
actually, he'll get more leeway that you would in the same situation. he's famous and a politician.
That doesn't alter my opinion of him, nor should it. It's the person themselves rather than what they can get away with, at that level.

At least he's not purporting the insane public policies that Democrats and the hard, radical left that has taken over that party.
We see the results of those public policy prescriptions in the democrat controlled large cities stricken with riots. Take those public policy prescriptions nation wide and we'll have nation wide riots. Thanks, but no. Hard no. Hell No!
 
All of the stories you listed in the 'buzzfeed ' embarrassment' list were minor stories.

You must have me mixed up with another poster, or another thread. I don't think I posted any such thing in this thread, or you are making things up. 🤷

BFD.

But, two MAJOR stories that your list did NOT debunk, which counter your premise are:

Secret Money: How Trump Made Millions Selling Condos To Unknown Buyers

(and potentially helped launder money for Russians)



Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches From His Father

 
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