The pathological anti-LGBTQ hate from social conservatives

[Phys251]

They have a right to an "education"....not that anyone agrees on what that means.

You don't have a right to "learn".

What a silly concept.

What's even more funny is the foolish concept espoused in the OP that they have a right to learn this in some kind of utopian environment that certainly does not exist in schools.

And, we already seen that parents have some say in what can and can't be taught in school.

So, even the right to an education does not give the school the go-ahead to teach whatever they want.

 

[lurchadams]

The firehoses on black protesters were by southern Democrats, generally speaking.

Bull Conner was a Democrat, and he was famous for directing firehoses and dogs at protesters.

The reality is, almost everyone growing up in the 40s and 50s were to some degree at least a bit racist (and that's any color). It was common to think of races as different peoples, and that people should stay with their own kind, not intermarry, and the like. Even people who were against slavering in the early 1800s didn't think blacks were "equal" to whites. It was very common at the time that people saw the Europeans as superior because of the then evident completely different lifestyles and the far advanced technologies that the Europeans had. The Rennaissance and the Enlightenment saw Europeans jump ahead, so many people just saw it as natural.

Any suggestion that run-of-the-mill Democrats from say 1964 to 1984 were somehow so racially enlightened that they didn't see any differences in race is silly. The movie Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was filmed in 1967, and it portrayed "enlightened" northern New Yorker liberals - and the dad in that movie, as enlightened as he is, resisted any idea that his white daughter would date or marry a black man.

No. You're not fooling anyone with your revisionist history, my friend.

 

[btthegreat]

What the school teaches, beyond the basics, is not something that is up for you or me to decide except for our children.

Well that's a meaningless sentence. Who are you to determine what is 'basic' and what is not, who are you to determine the boundaries of a successful public education?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Well that's a meaningless sentence. Who are you to determine what is 'basic' and what is not, who are you to determine the boundaries of a successful public education?

Only someone who might have a vested interested in what is being taught to one of my children.

"Successful public education" has become an oxymoron. It's now more about avoiding contamination.

 

[Lisa]

They have a right to an "education"....not that anyone agrees on what that means.

You don't have a right to "learn".

What a silly concept.

What's even more funny is the foolish concept espoused in the OP that they have a right to learn this in some kind of utopian environment that certainly does not exist in schools.

And, we already seen that parents have some say in what can and can't be taught in school.

So, even the right to an education does not give the school the go-ahead to teach whatever they want.

How can it be an education if they don't learn? Your conservative BS doesn't pass the laugh test.

Who said anything about a "free education" ?

Revisit the post and get back to me.

It is in the best interest of society that we educate our children and teens to a rational standard for living an intellectual life and the ability to support themselves. Education is an investment that always has dividends that exceed the costs. At this point that level is more than a K-12. Do you plan to force the children to work off the cost of that education? When did you pay off your K-12 loan or is this just for others and not you?

 

[HikerGuy83]

How can it be an education if they don't learn? Your conservative BS doesn't pass the laugh test.


It is in the best interest of society that we educate our children and teens to a rational standard for living an intellectual life and the ability to support themselves. Education is an investment that always has dividends that exceed the costs. At this point that level is more than a K-12. Do you plan to force the children to work off the cost of that education? When did you pay off your K-12 loan or is this just for others and not you?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Most people might not realize that schools were originally set up because parents, during the industrial revolution, needed free babysitting.

Schools are still pretty much that.....free babysitting services.

It's great that we use them to educate some kids (parents being the biggest factor there).

Just thought I'd point out what just about every Sociology book in the past 50 years has taught.

 

[HikerGuy83]

BTW: this thread started with an OP that was little more than a rant about hate and this and that and the left and the right and all kinds of other garbage.

Just thought I'd point out we are supposed to be talking about educating children about LGBT individuals.

Because we know so much about how to educate kids......

We spend tons of money and have pretty poor results.

 

[Lisa]

Who said anything about a "free education" ?

Revisit the post and get back to me.

It is in the best interest of society that we educate our children and teens to a rational standard for living an intellectual life and the ability to support themselves. Education is an investment that always has dividends that exceed the costs. At this point that level is more than a K-12. Do you plan to force the children to work off the cost of that education? When did you pay off your K-12 loan or is this just for others and not you?

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How can you possibly have an education if there is no learning? Do you know the definition of education?

A right is nothing that is granted to all people equally. Not just those who can afford to pay for it. Unless we can force you to pay $2000 for your free speech fee or be jailed for expressing your opinion................

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[Lloyd Christmas]

When I look and see the hate speech used against transgender people, it feels like deja vu. "There's something wrong with them," "they're 'grooming kids," "stop with the agenda," and other disgusting lies have all been used against gay people.

Now that gays have a lot more rights, one would think that social conservatives would get over themselves, grow up, and learn to accept. But that is not what social cons do. They simply find a new target. Their current favorites to hate are transgender and nonbinary people, using the same hate speech they did against gays with only the slightest variation in tactics.

Worse, the social cons won't even admit when they are wrong. Their lies against gay people were debunked over and over and over again, yet they continued to push them up until the point where it became socially unacceptable to do so, and you still, even now, hear those old lies from time to time. Then the social cons switch targets, to trans people, falsely accusing them of stalking kids in public restrooms, so we got a whole wave of laws on that. There was no evidence that even suggested this was a problem! So what did the social cons do? Instead of folding their losing hand, they targeted trans women athletes, and now, their favorite target, schools again. They want to deny children their RIGHT to learn in a healthy, compassionate, age-appropriate manner that LGBTQ people are real and valid. There is no more danger to a child learning about two men who love each other than learning about a woman who loves a man, and it is pure pathology to suggest otherwise. These social cons have never cared and will never care about the additional dangers that trans and nonbinary people are forced to go through all the time. If they did care, then they would cease being social cons. As an ex-social-con myself, I would know.

they are just shitty people who can't exist unless they are outraged by somebody or something. And they project. They are the one grooming their shitty kids to be racist, hateful losers like they are

 

[BirdinHand]

How can you possibly have an education if there is no leariung? Do you know the definition of education?

Ever hear the saying “you can lead a horse to water, but can’t make it drink”

Just giving instruction (as your definition of education indicates) doesn’t mean the kids are LEARNING anything.

In fact, with how poor some public school rank, it’s a pretty good indication that they’re failing at kids actually LEARNING.

 

[Lisa]

Ever hear the saying “you can lead a horse to water, but can’t make it drink”

Just giving instruction (as your definition of education indicates) doesn’t mean the kids are LEARNING anything.

In fact, with how poor some public school rank, it’s a pretty good indication that they’re failing at kids actually LEARNING.

That is not an education. If the child has problems in the classroom there are other learning methods to assist them and their parents.

The LGB movement would be wise to distance themselves from the T, as they are starting to do in England. Or just drop the T from the acronym entirely. There's no reason that a civil rights movement for gay people needs to associate itself with an obnoxious crew of people behaving badly and demanding bizarre things like allowing men to cheat at sports, housing male rapists in female prisons, or giving sex hormones to children. Being lesbian, gay, or bisexual isn't even the same *kind* of thing as being trans.

The way that the LGB movement gained wide acceptance was twofold: 1) Using the media to showcase people who presented a normal face to the world, like Ellen DeGeneres and Will & Grace; 2) Framing their desired policy changes in the language of equality and civil rights. They weren't demanding society do anything other than treat them like everyone else.

In contrast, the trans movement has lagged way behind in terms of social acceptance, because the face they present to the world is Lia Thomas, Drag Queen Story Hour, and internet trolls threatening to rape and kill witches TERFs. And because their desired policy changes are less about civil rights than about forcing all of society to accept their narrative about who they are.

This is a new level of conservative butthurt over the existence of trans people.


BTW, drag queens are not transgender. That is why they are drag queens.

 

[CLAX1911]

That is a good point.

I don't know why people do this cheating others with respect should just be what you do shouldn't have to be heralded as a hero for doing it.

 

[Gatsby]

BTW, drag queens are not transgender. That is why they are drag queens.

I know. But things like Drag Queen Story Hour (and those other things I mentioned) are nevertheless the public face of the trans movement in the eyes of much of the public. And I gotta say, radical trans activists like yourself don't exactly make a habit of distancing yourselves from such ridiculous things. But I'll give you a chance to do so now: Do you think Drag Queen Story Hour is an obnoxious embarrassment that shouldn't be associated with your cause? Or would you like to double down on how stunning and brave it is?

 

[Lisa]

I know. But things like Drag Queen Story Hour (and those other things I mentioned) are nevertheless the public face of the trans movement in the eyes of much of the public. And I gotta say, radical trans activists like yourself don't exactly make a habit of distancing yourselves from such ridiculous things. But I'll give you a chance to do so now: Do you think Drag Queen Story Hour is an obnoxious embarrassment that shouldn't be associated with your cause? Or would you like to double down on how stunning and brave it is?

Drag queens have nothing to do with trans people, in the eyes of people who are moderately intelligent. In the eyes of people who are ignorant and emotionally driven religious people, they might not see it in the same way. The solution is education instead of allowing ignorant people to attack the rights of other people because of their ignorance or conservative bias just because the GOP needs a new boogeyman to distract their followers with. That bogeyman used to be immigrants, gays people, and Muslims. Now its trans people and.........................OMG............ ANTIFA!

 

[Gatsby]

Drag queens have nothing to do with trans people, in the eyes of people who are moderately intelligent.

Well unfortunately for you, radical transgender ideology is horrendously unpopular with the public. So maybe the majority of us are dummies to whom you'll need to talk slower and use smaller words, if you want to persuade us of how stunning and brave this all is.

In the eyes of people who are ignorant and emotionally driven religious people, they might not see it in the same way. The solution is education instead of allowing ignorant people to attack the rights of other people because of their ignorance or conservative bias just because the GOP needs a new boogeyman to distract their followers with. That bogeyman used to be immigrants, gays people, and Muslims. Now its trans people and.........................OMG............ ANTIFA!

I noticed you didn't answer the question. Let's try again: Would you like to distance yourself and the trans movement from Drag Queen Story Hour? This is your chance to say "Those people are obnoxious and we want them to have nothing to do with our movement." If, of course, that *is* what you want.

 

[CLAX1911]

The issue of transwomen in the ladies' room doesn't introduce anything new. Pedophiles could still dress up like women and take advantage whether the restroom is trans-friendly or not.

Dressing up like a woman doesn't make a man look like a woman.

I agree with this, it seems really selfish on the part of the trans athlete. Sports organizations do have hormone threshold requirements but I still don't think it's fair.


Well, it seems pretty mundane to me if they only talk about basics like some kids have two dads or two moms. There's no need to go into any details of sexual activity though. Sometimes it seems like parents fear that their kids might be shown hardcore gay porn in the classroom or something.

We wouldn't need any of this "gay agenda" or "trans agenda" stuff if it weren't for social ostracization caused by bigotry of people who think their opinions and policies belong in the bedrooms of consenting adults. Social acceptance is the goal, not conversion.

I'm not sure that social ostracization is the cause of the agendas they were at the beginning back in 1969. But these days being gay is really rather pass it you might find some strange looks in certain churches but generally you are going to be pretty much accepted.

So I don't really think we do need a gay agenda or a trans agenda other than to try and force people to accept males as females and that seems to be the direction it's going.

 

[vegas giants]

Trans women must be given a one minute head start in all races......or you are a bigot!!!!


Lol

 

[BirdinHand]

Drag queens have nothing to do with trans people, in the eyes of people who are moderately intelligent. In the eyes of people who are ignorant and emotionally driven religious people, they might not see it in the same way. The solution is education instead of allowing ignorant people to attack the rights of other people because of their ignorance or conservative bias just because the GOP needs a new boogeyman to distract their followers with. That bogeyman used to be immigrants, gays people, and Muslims. Now its trans people and.........................OMG............ ANTIFA!

Drag Queen Story Hour events are happening all over the world at libraries, schools, bookstores, museums, summer camps, afterschool programs, and other community spaces! Each chapter is independently operated and funded. Click on the links below to connect with your local chapter.

About - Drag Queen Story Hour

Our Herstory Drag Queen Story Hour (DQSH) was created by Michelle… Read more

www.dragqueenstoryhour.org

In case anyone isn't aware of what Drag Queen Story Hour is.


And....yes...SCHOOLS.

From their website:


“What an amazing way to teach individuality, empathy, and acceptance! Drag Queen Story Hour gave my first graders a fun and interactive platform to talk and think about social and emotional issues like acceptance, being yourself, and loving who you are. Through books, songs, arts and crafts, and movement activities, they explored these issues and had an amazing time doing it! During our debrief after DQSH, they were preaching the incredible lessons they had learned, like “It’s ok to be different,” and “There’s no such thing as ‘boy’ things or ‘girl’ things.” I was proud to be able to have DQSH at my school and will definitely be planning another story hour for next year!”

—Alexis Hernandez, first grade teacher at PS 118, the Maurice Sendak Community School (Brooklyn)

 

[Luce]

Women notoriously trash public restrooms.

Gotta ask how you came by this knowledge, my dude.

 

[Lisa]

Well unfortunately for you, radical transgender ideology is horrendously unpopular with the public. So maybe the majority of us are dummies to whom you'll need to talk slower and use smaller words, if you want to persuade us of how stunning and brave this all is.

I noticed you didn't answer the question. Let's try again: Would you like to distance yourself and the trans movement from Drag Queen Story Hour? This is your chance to say "Those people are obnoxious and we want them to have nothing to do with our movement." If, of course, that *is* what you want.

I'd like to read more about this radical transgender ideology. Do you have a link to a site that explains it?

About - Drag Queen Story Hour

Our Herstory Drag Queen Story Hour (DQSH) was created by Michelle… Read more

www.dragqueenstoryhour.org

In case anyone isn't aware of what Drag Queen Story Hour is.

I know what it is. Drag queens are not transgender, so why are you trying to link the two unrelated topics? Did someone tell you that DQSH is trying to recruit kids to be trans, and you believed them? Are you equally outraged by opera and circus clowns?

 

[vegas giants]

I'd like to read more about this radical transgender ideology. Do you have a link to a site that explains it?

Can any group sometimes go too far on what they consider their quest for civil rights?

 

[Lisa]

Can any group sometimes go too far on what they consider their quest for civil rights?

Where do you believe that trans/non-binary people have crossed that line? What are they demanding equality that you and other conservatives don't already enjoy?

 

[vegas giants]

Where do you believe that trans/non-binary people have crossed that line? What are they demanding equality that you and other conservatives don't already enjoy?

I am so liberal I think Bernie Sanders is too conservative. Lol


I oppose trans women competing with women.

I oppose surgery or hormone treatment for children.


I answered your question directly


Can you answer mine?

 

[btthegreat]

Only someone who might have a vested interested in what is being taught to one of my children.

"Successful public education" has become an oxymoron. It's now more about avoiding contamination.

Education is only contamination, if you are afraid of knowledge. Its actually the fear that is the contaminant, not the knowledge.