The outlandish hypocrisy of the right

[Pedestrian]

Sez you....

(Like that one?)

You see, over time I have learned to identify close-mindedness and not waste too much vocabulary on responses to it.
Not meaning you, but the other guy you had to assist with your very detailed (though sarcastic and mean spirited) reply.
He has a completely closed mind and any post he asks for he will probably not even read, much less give a detailed and honest reply like you did.
Hence the brief wave-off to him.

I am also very adept and have been formally trained to identify propaganda.

But take trump's and the right's obvious hypocrisy as compared to Clinton just fine.

The facts I need are right before your very eyes and you just refuse to see them.

 

[Pedestrian]

I still think Clinton to be a good president and was not in favour of impeachment. Factoid: Trump called him the next best modern president after Reagan.

With no actual charge it is relevant when talking about the standard needed to pursue impeachment.

My 'charge' is the outlandish hypocrisy of the sickening parade from the right calling for Clinton's resignation and who now support

this meazly piece of scum in the WH.

 

[Pedestrian]

Clinton left office with the highest approval rating of any modern President so you aren't alone. Trump has already been named an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony like Nixon so there is a precedent for him to be impeached. Whether he will depends on Senate Republicans and how much more criminality they can tolerate. I actually don't want impeachment and would rather the GOP lash itself to the Trump mast and go down with the ship. It is the profound dysfunction of that party that brought us Trump after all.

You are right on point with this.

 

[akyron]

Mere ridiculous deflection. What happened to 'what about Obama...Clinton ?'

They are free to insanely babble as well.

If you are interested in actual fascistic behavior....

Federal abuses on Obama's watch represent a growing blight on his legacy

"In all of the discussions about the political weaponization of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI, alleged corruption at the highest echelons of those agencies and serial abuse of the secret FISA process surrounding the 2016 election, one name has been conspicuously absent: President Barack Obama.

High-ranking officials and other major players in those agencies — which Obama oversaw — are increasingly embroiled in the growing scandal: James Comey, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, Andrew Weissmann, Sally Yates, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr.

Given the tight control Obama exercised over every part of his administration and agenda, the idea that any of these appointees and loyalists freelanced their activities without at least his tacit approval or that of his White House strains credulity."

 

[Conaeolos]

My 'charge' is the outlandish hypocrisy of the sickening parade from the right calling for Clinton's resignation and who now support

this meazly piece of scum in the WH.

Yes, but that's the entire point it's a two way street. You point out hypocrisy that cuts both ways making it entirely meaningless…

And just to be clear, the concern most republicans had at the time with Clinton is not he was a liar. They believed him to be a rapist based on his long history with charges of such. This would be like getting Trump on that supposed campaign violation [it will not fly] and forgetting to mention the actual reasoning as to why he was under so much scrutiny. Context matters!

And please stop conflating lies with perjury they are two very different things.

one must protect against such revisionist history. EVERY repub voted to convict Clinton with

Olympia Snowe not guilty and Arlen Specter verbally voting not proven.

Your bubble is an odd one. The perjury charge had 10 Republicans vote “not guilty” on the obstruction of justice charge 5 Republicans voted “not guilty”. Every democrat kept the party lines.

This is getting as bad as trying to make the republicans the party with the history of segregation and racism.

Project. Project. Project.

 

[Bullseye]

I am not 'whining' about anything. I am comparing the right (GOP) and how they relentlessly went after Clinton and

their oh so holier than thou family and moral values all thought he should resign if not impeached to now,

when they embrace someone 10 times sleazier in trump who makes B. Clinton look like a choirboy.

Still sounds like whining to me. As I recall Clinton WAS President when those things happened and he lied and obstructed justice during the investigation. Trump's situations are prior to his election or even his campaign.
Oh, and Trump's liaisons were consensual, Clinton's not so much.

 

[Vern]

Sez you....

(Like that one?)

You see, over time I have learned to identify close-mindedness and not waste too much vocabulary on responses to it.
Not meaning you, but the other guy you had to assist with your very detailed (though sarcastic and mean spirited) reply.
He has a completely closed mind and any post he asks for he will probably not even read, much less give a detailed and honest reply like you did.
Hence the brief wave-off to him.

I am also very adept and have been formally trained to identify propaganda.

Oh PV, you should have stopped at "sez you" like you originally did. It was mildly witty and if not for your original posts could have been really funny. But you blew it when you babbled on and on about "not wasting your time". It seemed like it would have been easier to just post an example. But PV, here's the thing, there is no excuse you can post to not back up your point at a debate forum.

 

[PleasantValley]

Bull****, back this up...if you can. You can't because it is you with the closed mind.

REread the post YOU yourself quoted.
I choose not to, and I have learned, and told you this before, I also choose to not discuss things with anyone close-minded.

Seeing how you can not grasp this and keep demanding, I have a quote right back at you.
" A fanatic is someone who will never change their mind and can not change the subject".
This is why I prefer to leave you to your own created reality.

 

[PleasantValley]

But take trump's and the right's obvious hypocrisy as compared to Clinton just fine.

The facts I need are right before your very eyes and you just refuse to see them.

Sez you.

 

[PleasantValley]

Oh PV, you should have stopped at "sez you" like you originally did. It was mildly witty and if not for your original posts could have been really funny. But you blew it when you babbled on and on about "not wasting your time". It seemed like it would have been easier to just post an example. But PV, here's the thing, there is no excuse you can post to not back up your point at a debate forum.

Vern, my friend, the "debate" process left this thread a long time ago.
...but your advice is sage and I agree.
but with that particular member, there is no debating, just bitching and moaning.
You have seen the type.

Blood pressure is precious to me and i choose to raise it only when warranted.
Answering that person's demands is not such an occasion.

 

[Vern]

Vern, my friend, the "debate" process left this thread a long time ago.
...but your advice is sage and I agree.
but with that particular member, there is no debating, just bitching and moaning.
You have seen the type.

Blood pressure is precious to me and i choose to raise it only when warranted.
Answering that person's demands is not such an occasion.

Again PV, this is a debate forum. there is no excuse for you to not back up your point at a debate forum. And you put effort into making excuses and none into backing up your point. And magically it’s the other poster’s “fault”. The ignorance and dishonesty of the posters I deal with has never been a factor in me proving my point. And since I’m usually proving my point to conservatives I deal with a lot of ignorance and dishonesty. Some how I'm able to persevere.

 

[Pedestrian]

Seems to me that your whining about Clinton's term is the definition of still being in a bubble, my friend.

How ? We have many of the same people still in congress who have stated when ask about trump's morality and possible

criminality. The reply is...they don't care.

Well they cared a whole lot and a whole lot more when Billy choirboy was in the WH.

So the right has surrendered all of their high-minded, righteous family and moral values in addition to their bull****

about sticking to the constitution...to support that scum.

 

[Pedestrian]

I think you are looking in a mirror. The left are full of political sleeze, including the Clintons and Obama's deep state.

But you have nothing but what you...want to believe.

 

[Pedestrian]

They are free to insanely babble as well.

If you are interested in actual fascistic behavior....

Federal abuses on Obama's watch represent a growing blight on his legacy

"In all of the discussions about the political weaponization of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI, alleged corruption at the highest echelons of those agencies and serial abuse of the secret FISA process surrounding the 2016 election, one name has been conspicuously absent: President Barack Obama.

High-ranking officials and other major players in those agencies — which Obama oversaw — are increasingly embroiled in the growing scandal: James Comey, Loretta Lynch, Andrew McCabe, Andrew Weissmann, Sally Yates, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr.

Given the tight control Obama exercised over every part of his administration and agenda, the idea that any of these appointees and loyalists freelanced their activities without at least his tacit approval or that of his White House strains credulity."

All alleged, nothing proven just as with the Clintons. All of that Hill article is alleged scandals, not about indictments and guilty pleas.

 

[Pedestrian]

Yes, but that's the entire point it's a two way street. You point out hypocrisy that cuts both ways making it entirely meaningless…

And just to be clear, the concern most republicans had at the time with Clinton is not he was a liar. They believed him to be a rapist based on his long history with charges of such. This would be like getting Trump on that supposed campaign violation [it will not fly] and forgetting to mention the actual reasoning as to why he was under so much scrutiny. Context matters!

And please stop conflating lies with perjury they are two very different things.

Your bubble is an odd one. The perjury charge had 10 Republicans vote “not guilty” on the obstruction of justice charge 5 Republicans voted “not guilty”. Every democrat kept the party lines.

This is getting as bad as trying to make the republicans the party with the history of segregation and racism.

Project. Project. Project.

My source on the votes was the Hill. And yes lies are lies and Clinton's moral deficiency was a lie in a precedent-breaking civil suit that the right

financed, or...they get nothing for 6 years and $60 million.

Suffice to say, to a no-partisan, the cases are black and white. Clinton lied about a single thing about an affair the right

had to dig to bring forward.

The equivalent would be the left financing civil suits against trump for his porn/whoremongering and ush-money...also while married.

Yet no repub cares at all. Hell the repubs would let trump turn the white house into a whore house.

 

[Pedestrian]

Still sounds like whining to me. As I recall Clinton WAS President when those things happened and he lied and obstructed justice during the investigation. Trump's situations are prior to his election or even his campaign.
Oh, and Trump's liaisons were consensual, Clinton's not so much.

Not even a nice try. Trump's venality was exposed during and hush-money paid during the campaign and trust me

the right in the 90s don't care now and BTW, started their civil suit against linto for actions before he was

president, got nothing then went after his intern.

Whitewater and Madison S&L was all long before Clinton became pres.

 

[Pedestrian]

REread the post YOU yourself quoted.
I choose not to, and I have learned, and told you this before, I also choose to not discuss things with anyone close-minded.

Seeing how you can not grasp this and keep demanding, I have a quote right back at you.
" A fanatic is someone who will never change their mind and can not change the subject".
This is why I prefer to leave you to your own created reality.

You have absolutely nothing at all. Not a shred of any argument, just this bull****.
.

 

[Carleen]

Sez you....

(Like that one?)

You see, over time I have learned to identify close-mindedness and not waste too much vocabulary on responses to it.
Not meaning you, but the other guy you had to assist with your very detailed (though sarcastic and mean spirited) reply.
He has a completely closed mind and any post he asks for he will probably not even read, much less give a detailed and honest reply like you did.
Hence the brief wave-off to him.

I am also very adept and have been formally trained to identify propaganda.

Wow your training would be a real benefit to Dems. Any chance you would help out?

 

[PleasantValley]

Again PV, this is a debate forum. there is no excuse for you to not back up your point at a debate forum. And you put effort into making excuses and none into backing up your point. And magically it’s the other poster’s “fault”. The ignorance and dishonesty of the posters I deal with has never been a factor in me proving my point. And since I’m usually proving my point to conservatives I deal with a lot of ignorance and dishonesty. Some how I'm able to persevere.

I prefer to not "endeavor to persevere", but rather not bother when certain individuals prove to me they will not listen. Fence post talking is not one of my hobbies.
I guess it all depends on what stage we are in life.
I have debated all day with those who choose to debate with me and enjoyed it.
...but as I have stated before, as well, I choose to not even converse with those of a closed mind.
It is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes my time and annoys the pig.

This is not my first forum rodeo. I know a closed mind when i see one.
Experience has taught me it is a waste of time to try and talk to them.
Therefore I choose not to.

My decision and it is a good one learned from experience.
Yes, this is a debate forum, but that does not mean all members have that skill or are worthy of talking with.
It is because some people on forums fit the above category.
You are not going to convince me otherwise. Try as you may.
You are wasting your time doing so.
I already know not to converse with fence posts or the close-minded.

 

[PleasantValley]

You have absolutely nothing at all. Not a shred of any argument, just this bull****.
.

Sez you.

 

[PleasantValley]

Wow your training would be a real benefit to Dems. Any chance you would help out?

The trainee's political leans were not discussed in our training.
Just all the different, but recognizable, forms of propaganda individuals, news agencies, advertisers, and governments use.
I see it here a lot. They are parroting back from TV news of all channels, and foreign trolls that pop up here from time to time.

As a simple rule of thumb most propaganda follows these repeated scripts...

1. an appeal to extreme emotions, fear, hate, anger, disgust...

2. only one side of the story being told. "We extended an invitation to the other side but they declined" is used over and over again to back up this one.

3. excessive use of negative adjectives. "The criminal, war mongering, murderous administration said today...."

4. Images of children suffering. What sane human wants to see children suffering, so put those images and stories out big and bold. Stage them if necessary. Borrow them from the past and say they are happening now. Anything to get the images of suffering children big and bold and out front.

5. Pseudo Science. You can get any doctor or scientist to say anything you want if you pay them enough. This does not make it true. The most common form of this is..." Try XYZ shampoo, it has hexoclopamine in it. An extract derived from herbs high up in the Hickapoo mountains and used by the Hickapoo people for hundreds of years".

You only have to go as far as your TV screen to see each and every form of this basic propaganda used a hundred times a day.

 

[Nickyjo]

So, you're saying that Ann Coulter represents the entire right? I pay no attention to the far right and I could care less about anything Coulter says.

Coulter is a performance artist. She no more represents the right than antifa represents the left.

 

[PleasantValley]

Again PV, this is a debate forum. there is no excuse for you to not back up your point at a debate forum. And you put effort into making excuses and none into backing up your point. And magically it’s the other poster’s “fault”. The ignorance and dishonesty of the posters I deal with has never been a factor in me proving my point. And since I’m usually proving my point to conservatives I deal with a lot of ignorance and dishonesty. Some how I'm able to persevere.

Vern,
Let me make it much simpler for you since you have a problem grasping PERSONAL CHOICE.

I CHOSE to not talk anymore with Pedestrian on this thread, because he proved to me he had a closed mind.
Now I CHOOSE to not talk with you anymore on this thread, because you can not grasp the concept of someone making a personal choice and sticking with it.

I ..me...myself...and no one else, CHOOSE who I talk with and who I do not talk with, and no one else.
As this concept seems foreign to you and you have trouble wrapping your head around it, then I therefore have CHOSEN to not talk with you either on this thread.

...and there is nothing you can do about it.

Deal with my own personal decisions as best you can, but they are mine and your posts tell me you are having trouble understanding this.
That issue is yours to deal with, but you will find as you mature in life not everyone does what you want them to.
Nor is there an obligation on this forum for me to engage in discourse with someone I choose not to.
Refer to my previous posts for my reasons to not bicker back and forth with those who have proven to me to have a closed mind. I have already told you twice.

You now have the floor, but I CHOOSE to not talk with either one of you on this thread.
Handle it as best you can.
Claim the high ground, say I am running away, claim your point is superior to mine, whatever you want. It will not affect me in any way, on-line or off.

 

[Vern]

Vern,
Let me make it much simpler for you since you have a problem grasping PERSONAL CHOICE.

I CHOSE to not talk anymore with Pedestrian on this thread, because he proved to me he had a closed mind.
Now I CHOOSE to not talk with you anymore on this thread, because you can not grasp the concept of someone making a personal choice and sticking with it.

I ..me...myself...and no one else, CHOOSE who I talk with and who I do not talk with, and no one else.
As this concept seems foreign to you and you have trouble wrapping your head around it, then I therefore have CHOSEN to not talk with you either on this thread.

...and there is nothing you can do about it.

Deal with my own personal decisions as best you can, but they are mine and your posts tell me you are having trouble understanding this.
That issue is yours to deal with, but you will find as you mature in life not everyone does what you want them to.
Nor is there an obligation on this forum for me to engage in discourse with someone I choose not to.
Refer to my previous posts for my reasons to not bicker back and forth with those who have proven to me to have a closed mind. I have already told you twice.

You now have the floor, but I CHOOSE to not talk with either one of you on this thread.
Handle it as best you can.
Claim the high ground, say I am running away, claim your point is superior to mine, whatever you want. It will not affect me in any way, on-line or off.

This thread is about flaming hypocrisy from the right. You made a personal choice to post in this thread. You made a personal choice to post “nuh uh” as a counterpoint. You then made a personal choice to say you could post examples from the left all day long. You then made a personal choice to whine and deflect instead of making a personal choice to back up your point.

But you are right about one thing PV, I don’t understand someone posting repeatedly in a thread at a debate forum and refusing to even attempt to back up their point. its just not debate. It’s not really a big deal PV because I see it all the time. Few if any conservatives understand the concept of debate. Most just cowardly cut and run from the facts. They just don’t drone on and on about their “virtues” before they cowardly cut and run. But PV, what was your excuse for not even attempting to back up your point before you conveniently concluded I was close minded?

Again PV, I’ve never made excuses to not back up my point. Conservatives seem to do that often. So often it’s safe to assume that they, like you, were simply posting wishful thinking as fact. You should make a personal choice to me more honest in the future.