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The only way to restore faith in elections

Those were not actual ballots. Those were applications for a mail-in ballot. They would not have been permitted to vote multiple times.


The butt of jokes only in biased librul sources. Once again, the vast majority of evidence will not be made public until it all hits the courts by December 14.
There is no evidence of vote fraud because they would be using it in the various states when they filed appeals.
 

Or, we could just let you guys win all the time.
 
Why is it that only the left is against real election security?

Just can't face losing, can you?

Why no just your side come up with ideas people like, you'll win more votes, and then you can quit this charade?
 
All voting should be done by mail.
 


Well, the way to solve a problem is to get rid of the cause.

The fellow that's causing all the chaos about the election is Donald Trump.

So, get rid of him and in the future the anomalies that crop up, just as they have in past years, there won't be anyone accusing the other of trying to steal the election, and making a ruckus over every little damn thing that crops up, and even with paper ballots, they still will crop up.

IN fact, we DO have paper ballots, we just use machines to count them.

Machines are MORE accurate than humans, sorry.

We've AlWAYS had observers.

Most states have ID, but for over 230 years we never had IDs and never had a problem.

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Why is it that only the left is against real election security?
This was the most secure election in history. You are just spewing garbage because your whiny little bitch boy lost.
 
The only mail in ballots should be requested, and they should be sent back with the voters SS number and a finger print.
 
Once again, I have no issues with the traditional form of voting by mail which is requesting an absentee ballot. My problem is with mass mailout of unsolicited ballots with few or no safeguards to prevent voter fraud. And regarding those mass mailout ballots, there is absolutely wide spread evidence of voter fraud in the 2020 election.
 
Got up, wondered what the hell this country was coming to to elect an idiot like him..then worked out, went to work..life goes on.

I thought the same when the nation elected Obama seven years after the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01. I am all in on freedom of religion, however he came off as more loyal to Islam then America. He could not find it in his heart to utter the term: "radical islamic terrorism" Troops injured in the terrorist attack at Fort Hood, Texas were delayed getting purple heart awards for over a year because Obama insisted on officially classifying the attack as "work place violence" rather then "radical Islamic terrorism". Then after re-election, he went nuts with executive orders when he failed to get what he wanted from congress. However I accepted all along that he was elected in a free and fair election.

This mass rightwing whining insane. You guys made fun of ppl crying after the election but we’re at like week two of long, loud, extremely annoying tantrum.

The mass leftwing whining over Trump that is still going on today is insane. The complaints on the right today are simply that there was massive voter fraud that did not occur in previous elections, 2016 nor 2008/2012. Trump drew roughly 11 million more votes in 2020 then he did in 2016 and still allegedly lost. Our complaint is simply that what went on in several states did not pass the smell test and should be fully investigated, not just for the sake of the 2020 election, but future elections as well. When all the dust settles and just legal votes are counted, we will move on and look forward to 2022 and 2024. Your side still has not moved on from 2016.
 
Where is that evidence. You need to get it to Rudy quick. He's flailing.
 
The only way to restore faith in elections is for the vast right wing echo machine to quit passing around their conspiracy theories.
And the chance of this happening are nigh unto nil.
 
It's crazy to me that the threads and posts about restoring faith in our elections are started by people that are sewing doubt in the elections. But I think like a normal person, so I need sufficient evidence of widespread election fraud to believe there is widespread election fraud. that shouldn't be hard to understand.
 

Your suggestions will never be adopted.

If they were, then elections would be squeaky-clean.

And we can't have that now, can we!
 

You mean more of the same cases that have already been deemed bullshit and tossed out due to lack of evidence? Those cases?

While no legal team releases all evidence to the public, they probably should at least release a little bit of it to the judge they are trying to convince that thier case has merit. That seems pretty important to the process.

It seems like Trump & Co. is looking for just that one idiot judge who is willing to let a conspiracy theory stand in for actual evidence and give credence to the claim of massive fraud. So far, they havent found one.

That leaves us two options.....option one, that everyone but Trumps hardcorest supporters is too stupid to see the massive fraud that just played out. Option two is that there simply wasnt any massive fraud to find.

I give you Occams Razor.
 
Then it would be totally crooked.

You realize there are several states that only do mail in voting and there is no evidence that they are “crooked”, yes?
 
Still no really logical reason not to make elections corruption proof. But then the left doesnt want that do they?
 
Still no really logical reason not to make elections corruption proof. But then the left doesnt want that do they?


Make it even cleaner... All mail ballots AND removal of the secrecy of the ballot... Everyone will know who voted in what election and who/what they voted for...
 
You mean more of the same cases that have already been deemed bullshit and tossed out due to lack of evidence? Those cases?

No actual cases have yet been presented, just legal arguments and requests for recounts. Some the Trump camp have prevailed on, some not.

While no legal team releases all evidence to the public, they probably should at least release a little bit of it to the judge they are trying to convince that thier case has merit. That seems pretty important to the process.

You are desperately asking for the same thing the lame stream press is demanding. You want the Trump camp to lay out all of their cards in public before it ever gets further then local courts. That's not going to happen.

It seems like Trump & Co. is looking for just that one idiot judge who is willing to let a conspiracy theory stand in for actual evidence and give credence to the claim of massive fraud. So far, they havent found one.

Opinions vary. And you are not a qualified judge of what they have or have not found.

That leaves us two options.....option one, that everyone but Trumps hardcorest supporters is too stupid to see the massive fraud that just played out. Option two is that there simply wasnt any massive fraud to find.

If you are going to call someone stupid, try to at least get your spelling and grammar correct.


I give you Occams Razor.

Philosophy is not going to win your argument. There was either massive fraud or there was not. If you are confident that there was not, then just sit back, relax, and let this play out. Your side would be contesting this election the courts if Trump had come out on top. The Biden camp was already lawyered up in September. And the hildabeast publicly told dopey Joe Biden not to concede under any circumstances.
 
No need for me to give Rudy what is already in his possession. I think you are scared.
I think you are ill informed. Rudy's evidence (what little there has been) has been thrown out of court along with the frivolous cases they were meant to support. If you're thinking that Rudy is going to turn this from a loss to a win you have another think coming.
 
How would homebound voters be able to cast their ballots? What about military serving outside of the United States? Is “**** ‘em” your answer?

Paper ballots as backup is good, but computers will continue to be involved in the process.

Federally appointed observers would be accused of partisan action. No way around that sad fact. Academic observers and mutually agreed upon non-biased observers would be better.
 
Still no really logical reason not to make elections corruption proof. But then the left doesnt want that do they?

You have yet to prove that there is a significant amount of corruptions in our elections.
 
These are good ideas, and the whole process needs to be given some deep thought.

The problem with requiring an ID is that most people use their driver's license and some states allow renewals every five years without having to come in and get a new picture taken. My picture on my driver's license is definitely over 10 years old, and between my hair graying out and I wear glasses now, etc. it would be just too easy for a poll worker who sized me up as being against their candidate to simply say, "sorry, this isn't you -- you can't vote". Besides, illegal alien voting fraud is likely very high and they're just so brazen anymore about getting illegal fictitious ids, some of whom have actually used them to register to vote! If ID was made mandatory there would be a huge spike in fraudulent ids. without any way at a mere voting place to validate accuracy and authenticity. ID is a great thought .. but I don't think it works in practical application.

I would like to see instead of ID a major change in the law that if caught committing voter fraud it's a mandatory minimum five years in prison and that we publicize the hell out of that plus station police-dressed guards at the polling places and especially behind the counter where you first identify yourself. Yes, this would intimidate people, and it damn well should! But it will only intimidate two types of people: 1) those there about to commit voting fraud, and 2) criminals with outstanding crimes who've yet to get caught .. and if they are too intimidated because of their outstanding crimes to go vote that's tough toenails for them!

Yes, the problem with computers is that they can be hacked or that would be the best way to vote from home. Another challenge with computer voting from home is someone else could grab your id info and vote for you. One day maybe we'll solve the hacking and other problems associated with computers ... .

The problem with 2), 3), and 4) together is that in the middle of counting the results the person needs to somehow document the count ... . I guess if preparation for counting was in a separate room from the actual counting .. .. but then someone in the actual counting room could make an invalidating mark ... .

Had we cracked down on illegal voting by illegal aliens and non-registered voters by publicizing heavy penalties, and had we not had universal ballots in those nine states, and had counties not sent out applications for absentee ballots in many states, there wouldn't have been the great amount of voter fraud they're just now getting authorization to gather evidence on.

Better would have been to simply publicize on TV that if you want to vote by mail simply contact your registrar of voters and have them send you an application to vote by mail. This would have put the burden of work on those who truly wanted to vote but didn't want to risk COVID-19 at a voting place. Much fraud occurred because they spoon-fed ballots to people who were only registered to vote because they checked a little box when they moved, and they never really had any real interest in actually voting .. and these were those who had their ballots harvested or were compelled under some degree of threat to vote for Biden-Harris and that's the only race they voted, attested to by the fact that the Republicans actually gained House seats.

The biggest fraud sources this year was sending paper ballots to millions of people who otherwise would never have chosen to vote even without the presence of COVID-19. President Trump was right about that from the get-go and I hope his legal team yields results in tossing the illegal votes.
 
I agree that we should make elections less prone to doubts of electoral fraud.

I know next to nothing about the details of how voting is handled. I suspect that's true for most people. And with so many variations possible in the 50 states and subdivisions, nobody could have a thorough understanding.

One of the main things for me is that we should be able to verify that our votes were properly counted. I don't know how that could be done. No, everybody's voting records should not be available to the public.
 
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