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In what alternate universe did I deny that sexism exists?
In the alternate universe that you rushed to berate me for posting what I did. You're not this obtuse. But carry on. I need to remember to learn my place. Only blacks are allowed to talk about people not always treating them right. Women (those of us who have experienced sexism), we aren't, apparently.
I'm off to Target now to help get something off the shelf for someone. After all, women were put on this Earth to serve others.
"I tell this story – I mean, even as the first lady – during that wonderfully publicized trip I took to Target, not highly disguised, the only person who came up to me in the store was a woman who asked me to help her take something off a shelf. Because she didn't see me as the first lady, she saw me as someone who could help her. Those kinds of things happen in life. So it isn't anything new."
Is she ****ing for real? That happens to me all the time because I'm ****ing tall. And I'm white.
When I'm as lucky as you are and are never viewed as a second class citizen because I'm a woman, I won't play any card. I'm not so lucky.
I guess I'm just supposed to keep my mouth shut and accept it, right? Apparently. I "offended" you by mentioning that some women (not you apparently) don't always get treated the way we should. Sorry to have offended you. Next time I'll learn my place.
Whatever. Go on rushing to defend Michelle Obama who think everyone who asks for help in a Target is doing it because that person assumes she's still a slave. And by all means, keep ignoring that women are also still not held in the highest esteem by everyone. I know otherwise. When you're a woman, you let me know.
Shorter: "Racism doesn't exist anymore."
But the thread isn't sexism it's about racial prejudice, right? Considering you are always the one to always tell people to keep on topic I'm surprised you tried to go off topic by comparing racism to sexism. So because others treat you bad because you are a blonde women, people who talk about being treated differently because they are (insert race here) need to stop whining? Do you think there is a difference sexism vs racism?
Reading this was disgusting to me. Do these people feel their entitlement so much that when people don't know who they are, they automatically think it's racism?
The Obamas: How We Deal with Our Own Racist Experiences - Ferguson, politics, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama : People.com
There is no difference between sexism and racism, and as recently as 15 years ago I would not have been able to be at the level of my job that I am today.
Yes, people who are enormously successful don't have to whine about being treated differently. The Obama were treated differently. Most people in this country don't get to be President and don't get 6 figure salaries with hospitals. That's what makes them different. They don't have the decency to admit it and instead pretend people are approaching them in Target because they think blacks should be serving them or that people mistake them for car valets.
In the future, I'll call out the Obama's whining for what it is without worrying about offending people because I don't jump on the "Oh those poor mistreated Obamas" bandwagon.
And guess what? Even with their accomplishments, there's a lot of people in this country that see them as just another nigger.
White people have NO BUSINESS claiming that black people "whine too much" when it comes to racism. You simply have no comparable frame of reference.
"I tell this story – I mean, even as the first lady – during that wonderfully publicized trip I took to Target, not highly disguised, the only person who came up to me in the store was a woman who asked me to help her take something off a shelf. Because she didn't see me as the first lady, she saw me as someone who could help her. Those kinds of things happen in life. So it isn't anything new."
Lemme get this straight, someone asked her for help and she's thinking "How dare you talk to me or even approach me, don't you know who I am. Away with you, commoner"
I'm sorry but if that pissed off Michelle then she's got bigger problems than race.
"I tell this story – I mean, even as the first lady – during that wonderfully publicized trip I took to Target, not highly disguised, the only person who came up to me in the store was a woman who asked me to help her take something off a shelf. Because she didn't see me as the first lady, she saw me as someone who could help her. Those kinds of things happen in life. So it isn't anything new."
Is she ****ing for real? That happens to me all the time because I'm ****ing tall. And I'm white.
and as recently as 15 years ago I would not have been able to be at the level of my job that I am today.
Yes, people who are enormously successful don't have to whine about being treated differently.
And guess what? Even with their accomplishments, there's a lot of people in this country that see them as just another nigger.
White people have NO BUSINESS claiming that black people "whine too much" when it comes to racism. You simply have no comparable frame of reference.
You don't have it straight.
She says, pretty clearly, that those kinds of incidents are things that happen to everyone (e.g. white or black, short or tall, man or woman - everybody).
They just sort of happen in life.
"Excuse me ma'am, could you help me reach that can of beans?"
"Excuse me young fella, do you work here?"
They've happened to me, they've happened to you, they've happened to the First Lady.
But when was the last time you were standing outside a restaurant in a suit and tie and someone handed you their keys and expected you to park their car? Or walked up to you at a formal event when you were in a tux and just assumed it was cool to send you to fetch coffee?
Those things have never happened to me, because I'm white, and when I'm in a suit people assume I'm a guest or a boss or something, not a common laborer dressed up nice so I don't offend sensibilities with my baggy jeans and hoodie.
Not huge things by any means, but certainly small indignities.
Now, as tres borrachos very nicely and plainly explains in the third or fourth comment in this discussion, the lack of racism the Obamas have encountered, both separately and as a couple, in this country far and away trumps the small indignities they've suffered as a result of soft racism. If anything they should be highlighting how far America has come in respect to race relations rather than pandering to the lowest-common-denominator race hustle.
But they're just trashy people.
So it's to be expected that they'd do something trashy like this.
The fact that they're trash doesn't mean that racism isn't real, and that it isn't still experienced by black folks in America today, but they're leaders who should be trying to lead us out of the recent impasse in race relations that has resulted from the police killings of a handful of black criminals rather than trying to capitalize on it for political gain.
Scumbags, the two of them.
Reading this was disgusting to me. Do these people feel their entitlement so much that when people don't know who they are, they automatically think it's racism?
The Obamas: How We Deal with Our Own Racist Experiences - Ferguson, politics, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama : People.com
When she uses the Target example like she did, which apparently caused an eyeroll to some observers besides me, it takes away from whatever point she was trying to make with her other examples.
Makes you question how valid those other examples are, or even if they're genuine.
That's your opinion they are not different. They are both bad but they are not exactly the same, therefore they are different. Also you are saying in 1999 there is no way you could not have held the same position? No way at all?? I find that hard to believe.
I don't see any whining by the Obamas and at no point did Michelle say the incident in Target has anything to do with being black - please point out exactly where she did. They are pointing out that while still being successfull they have still dealt with racial prejudice. You dislike the Obama's that much is obvious but that doesn't downplay they have been victims of racial prejudice and them pointing that out is not whining about it at all. I could say by you pointing out your hardships as a blonde woman in the workforce that it comes off as whining but it's not or is it?
The average height of an American woman is 5'7".
Michelle Obama is 5'11" tall.
I am the same height as Michelle.
In my WallMart, I couldn't reach the Alpo Snaps dog treats on the very to shelf, and there happened to be a man in the aisle checking out dog stuff too, he was easily 6'2" tall, I went over and asked him if he could reach those dog treats for me, because I figured he could do it easier than I. I would have needed a ladder, step stool or would have had to climb onto the bottom shelf to help myself.
Isn't Wallmart discriminating against short people?
The Obamas: How We Deal with Racism
Read the article and that will answer your question in bold. Was she telling a non-related to racism (a/k/a her being black and being mistreated by white people) anecdote? If so, why is it printed in an article about how she dealt with racism?
And as far as the Obamas being "victims" of racial prejudice, yes they are victims indeed. It must suck to get into Princeton and Harvard, make a mid-6-figure salary in a hospital, and go to sleep every night as the master of the White House. My heart goes out to them.
To answer your question of could I have gotten this role in 1999, the answer is still no. I am the third woman in the history of my division to be promoted to management. And it didn't happen to me until 2008. Which is why to this day the senior management looks on me as a sweet young blonde thing who's good at what she does but isn't half as capable as Jim, Don, Jay, Tim and Jamie. Which is why to this day my male counterparts get a higher salary than I do. Which is why to this day my male counterparts get asked to go golfing with the President of my division and go to see baseball games with the Executive Vice Presidents. I was told once that the President was "surprised" to hear that I like sports. Apparently he assumed I enjoy trips to the beauty parlor and tea parties. Which is why my boss' boss (a black man) once said "You do not! You really like sports?" when I said I have DirecTV because I needed to make sure I got the NY Rangers and NY Giants in New England.
Am I a victim? No. But is there a difference in the way that women are treated by chauvinists? Yes there is. Could I have gone further in my company if I was a white male? No question. So to the people who tell me I have no frame of reference in being viewed as less than white males, I say a big **** you.
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