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The Obama Meltdown

Anybody can make anything look how they want it to look. That's why. It's also why you ignore anything I say that is a positive on his behalf. You own that, and we're halfway there.

Yep, actual data is ignored and called talking points. Tell me why you are so enthralled with this President that you would ignore actual results?
 
It isn't patriotic to follow this President down the path towards the European socialist model nor is it patriotic to support this President's economic record.

but it's patriotic to take what some blogger in UK says as fact right? This is a tough situation we are in right now. 800 billion of that debt will be paid off by rolling over the highest earner tax bracket alone. What needs to be done is give more incentive to produce in America, something Obama's policies are striving to do right now, whereas Republicans would just like to see more jobs get shipped overseas.

Also shame on the Republicans. They vote against the stimulus then they collect dollars for their districts from the stimulus and high five eachother over it? Come on man.
 
liblady;1058917506]although i don't believe his presidency is in meltdown, i do believe it's troubled. the economy is not recovering as quickly as hoped, we are still engaged in two wars, and obama has to fight tooth and nail for anything he wants passed.

What? He has total control of Congress and an overwhelming majority in both houses including having a filibuster proof Senate during part of his first term. Please focus on the results of what he has passed which is everything he wanted except probably a single payer healthcare system.

it's also true he inherited a huge mess which we just beginning to feel the effects of when he took office, and he did not have a ton of experience. i would like to know why you posit that businesses have less incentive to hire........doesn't obama advocate a stimulus for small business? and isn't there a tax break for businesses to provide healthcare?

He inherited? I am sorry but this is getting old. Congress participated in creating the mess and he was part of that Congress. He applied for the job, you hired him, now you give him a pass on his performance.

Businesses will not hire because they have no idea what the tax structure will look like from Obamacare and after the midterm elections. The stimulus for small business is a tax credit on what they earn and if they don't earn anything there is no credit. There is no incentive to hire, repeal of Obamacare would provide that incentive.

a key issue is the financial markets.....banks really don't want to lend money right now unless the loan will be very, very safe. if banks don't lend money, business is cramped. another issue is the "wait and see" syndrome........many businesses could hire, but they wait until more positive economic signs are apparent. a viscious cycle.

That is very true as there is so much uncertainty now which isn't a ringing endorsement of the Obama economic plan.

people with short memories forget that the republican hero reagan had quite a few problems as well....and they forget that obama inherited this god awful mess. and then they forget that reagan left bush no choice but to raise taxes. partisanship won't rebuild our country, and tax cuts are not appropriate at this point. the bush tax cuts never "paid for themselves". reaganomics has been thoroughly debunked. instead of pissing and moaning about obama......why not propose some well thought out ideas? i don't believe obama has faltered much on the economy, where i have isssues with him is the wars.

Not sure how old you were during the Reagan years but his record was distorted by people who don't like the American taxpayer keeping more of what they earn, that means less need for liberalism. Do you realize how many times you have stated inherited. What the hell do we pay Congress for if you are going to only blame the President? Democrats have controlled the Congress since January 2007 and controlled the House prior to that. What did Democrats do while they controlled the legislative process? Seems to me they were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job of controlling Freddie and Fannie.

As for tax cuts, where are tax cuts as a line item on the expenses of the United States? How can your income be an expense to the govt? Can you explain, because others can't, how tax cuts that grew govt. revenue cause deficits? This is a typical line for the misiformed, tax cuts have to be paid for, BS, tax cuts put more money in taxpayer hands that is used to grow the economy. Happens every time.

It is frustrating to have to defend you keeping more of what you earn as if it is meaningless and the govt. needs the money first. That is total brainwashing.

raise the limit on ss taxes (imperative)
raise taxes on high earners
bring back the estate tax
provide additional stimulus to business to hire and grow
expand the sba
get rid of rangel
focus on green energy
focus on waste and fraud.....provide incentive to employees who bring it forward. when some employees save their comnpany money, they are rewarded with a percentage of that savings. a great idea.
secure our borders
get out of iraq and now i think afghanistan as well.

Spoken like a good little soldier,

Raise SS age limit-No, cut the waste, fraud, and abuse in the program and put it back where it belongs in its own account instead of in the General budget.
Raise taxes on the high wage earner- of course promote class envy. tell me how the rich making their money hurt you and your family? Where does human behavior lie in your world?
Bring back estate tax-Why? what did the govt. do that created that estate?
Provide additional stimulus to hire-YES, eliminate Obamacare and reduce corporate tax rates
Expand SBA-Just what we need a bigger bureaucracy that cannot create businesses in an anti business environment
Get rid of Rangel, AGREE
Focus on green energy-paid any attention to the economy of Spain, the leader in green energy. Sounds great but eliminates jobs
Focus on Waste, fraud and abuse, AGREED
Savings-16 million unemployed Americans are depleting their savings by being unemployed
Secure the border-AGREED
Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan-the jury is out on that one, 9/11 cost us over a trillion dollars and to date we have spent about 600 billion.Would you spend 600 billion to save a trillion?
 
but it's patriotic to take what some blogger in UK says as fact right? This is a tough situation we are in right now. 800 billion of that debt will be paid off by rolling over the highest earner tax bracket alone. What needs to be done is give more incentive to produce in America, something Obama's policies are striving to do right now, whereas Republicans would just like to see more jobs get shipped overseas.

Also shame on the Republicans. They vote against the stimulus then they collect dollars for their districts from the stimulus and high five eachother over it? Come on man.

Patriotism has nothing to do with it, check out the content and ignore where he is from. You seem to ignore the actual numbers being generated and seem to believe that is patriotic. you don't have a clue what patriotism is

You seem to think I am a Republican. Accepting stimulus cash was hypocritical and wrong just like the entire stimulus plan was a massive bailout out for state responsibility issues, i.e. teachers.
 
Anybody can make anything look how they want it to look. That's why. It's also why you ignore anything I say that is a positive on his behalf. You own that, and we're halfway there.

The only ones making things look the way they want are Obama supporters. No one can look at real numbers all of them and say things are better today. No one can point to unemployment numbers that ignore 1.2 million discouraged workers and claim the unemployment number is improving. Discouraged workers aren't counted. No one can claim that 4 million less employed, 3 million more unemployed, and 3 trillion added to the debt is a record to be proud of.

Now you can continue to post propaganda or get educated. BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury Sites are good starts.
 
Patriotism has nothing to do with it, check out the content and ignore where he is from. You seem to ignore the actual numbers being generated and seem to believe that is patriotic. you don't have a clue what patriotism is

You seem to think I am a Republican. Accepting stimulus cash was hypocritical and wrong just like the entire stimulus plan was a massive bailout out for state responsibility issues, i.e. teachers.

so then your worse than republican?
 
so then your worse than republican?

I am a conservative and it is the only ideology that makes any sense to anyone that is capable of thinking. Are you ever going to respond to the numbers Obama has generated?
 
I am a conservative and it is the only ideology that makes any sense to anyone that is capable of thinking. Are you ever going to respond to the numbers Obama has generated?

Socially or economically?
 
Socially or economically?

Both although I contribute significantly to my church and local charities. I have no problem in helping people in need but would be extremely tough on those that abuse the system.
 
Swear to God, Conservative, you could turn me into a Democrat. Are these not the most extraordinary times our country has faced since 1929?? Do you really think there's a quick fix for the mess we're in? Do you really think Obama could turn around the train on an 20-month dime? Nobody knows how to fix this. Oh, you may think you do; but your way won't turn the train on a dime either. We're in a mess. A big mess.

Don't just mouth the talking points, look into things yourself.... here, I'll get you started.

Unemployment 1982 through 1983.

1982-01-01 8.6
1982-02-01 8.9
1982-03-01 9.0
1982-04-01 9.3
1982-05-01 9.4
1982-06-01 9.6
1982-07-01 9.8
1982-08-01 9.8
1982-09-01 10.1
1982-10-01 10.4
1982-11-01 10.8
1982-12-01 10.8
1983-01-01 10.4
1983-02-01 10.4
1983-03-01 10.3
1983-04-01 10.2
1983-05-01 10.1
1983-06-01 10.1
1983-07-01 9.4
1983-08-01 9.5
1983-09-01 9.2
1983-10-01 8.8
1983-11-01 8.5
1983-12-01 8.3

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE.txt

Mortgage intrest rates 1982 through 1983>

1982-01-01 17.40
1982-02-01 17.60
1982-03-01 17.16
1982-04-01 16.89
1982-05-01 16.68
1982-06-01 16.70
1982-07-01 16.82
1982-08-01 16.27
1982-09-01 15.43
1982-10-01 14.61
1982-11-01 13.83
1982-12-01 13.62
1983-01-01 13.25
1983-02-01 13.04
1983-03-01 12.80
1983-04-01 12.78
1983-05-01 12.63
1983-06-01 12.87
1983-07-01 13.42
1983-08-01 13.81
1983-09-01 13.73
1983-10-01 13.54
1983-11-01 13.44
1983-12-01 13.42

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/MORTG.txt

And you think it's that bad now?
 
What? He has total control of Congress and an overwhelming majority in both houses including having a filibuster proof Senate during part of his first term. Please focus on the results of what he has passed which is everything he wanted except probably a single payer healthcare system.



He inherited? I am sorry but this is getting old. Congress participated in creating the mess and he was part of that Congress. He applied for the job, you hired him, now you give him a pass on his performance.

Businesses will not hire because they have no idea what the tax structure will look like from Obamacare and after the midterm elections. The stimulus for small business is a tax credit on what they earn and if they don't earn anything there is no credit. There is no incentive to hire, repeal of Obamacare would provide that incentive.



That is very true as there is so much uncertainty now which isn't a ringing endorsement of the Obama economic plan.



Not sure how old you were during the Reagan years but his record was distorted by people who don't like the American taxpayer keeping more of what they earn, that means less need for liberalism. Do you realize how many times you have stated inherited. What the hell do we pay Congress for if you are going to only blame the President? Democrats have controlled the Congress since January 2007 and controlled the House prior to that. What did Democrats do while they controlled the legislative process? Seems to me they were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job of controlling Freddie and Fannie.

As for tax cuts, where are tax cuts as a line item on the expenses of the United States? How can your income be an expense to the govt? Can you explain, because others can't, how tax cuts that grew govt. revenue cause deficits? This is a typical line for the misiformed, tax cuts have to be paid for, BS, tax cuts put more money in taxpayer hands that is used to grow the economy. Happens every time.

It is frustrating to have to defend you keeping more of what you earn as if it is meaningless and the govt. needs the money first. That is total brainwashing.



Spoken like a good little soldier,

Raise SS age limit-No, cut the waste, fraud, and abuse in the program and put it back where it belongs in its own account instead of in the General budget.
Raise taxes on the high wage earner- of course promote class envy. tell me how the rich making their money hurt you and your family? Where does human behavior lie in your world?
Bring back estate tax-Why? what did the govt. do that created that estate?
Provide additional stimulus to hire-YES, eliminate Obamacare and reduce corporate tax rates
Expand SBA-Just what we need a bigger bureaucracy that cannot create businesses in an anti business environment
Get rid of Rangel, AGREE
Focus on green energy-paid any attention to the economy of Spain, the leader in green energy. Sounds great but eliminates jobs
Focus on Waste, fraud and abuse, AGREED
Savings-16 million unemployed Americans are depleting their savings by being unemployed
Secure the border-AGREED
Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan-the jury is out on that one, 9/11 cost us over a trillion dollars and to date we have spent about 600 billion.Would you spend 600 billion to save a trillion?

let me ask you this......what did you think of clinton?
 
let me ask you this......what did you think of clinton?

A fun loving guy, would love to go out drinking with him and don't have a lot of respect for him as he has no respect whatsoever for women but an opportunist that took credit for the GOP Agenda that was passed after the GOP Took control of Congress. The Contract with America, called by Liberals the Contract ON America, was signed by Clinton, Welfare reform created by Tommy Thompson and John Engler, Two Republican Governors and proposed by GHW Bush was signed by Clinton, and most of the Clinton tax increases were repealed by the Republican Congress.
 
What? He has total control of Congress and an overwhelming majority in both houses including having a filibuster proof Senate during part of his first term. Please focus on the results of what he has passed which is everything he wanted except probably a single payer healthcare system.



He inherited? I am sorry but this is getting old. Congress participated in creating the mess and he was part of that Congress. He applied for the job, you hired him, now you give him a pass on his performance.

you might think it's getting old, but it is true. or are you forgetting the bailouts that occured on bush's watch? are you forgetting the wars BUSH started? are you forgetting the tax cuts, that yes, increased revenue, but not enough to offset those tax cuts?

Businesses will not hire because they have no idea what the tax structure will look like from Obamacare and after the midterm elections. The stimulus for small business is a tax credit on what they earn and if they don't earn anything there is no credit. There is no incentive to hire, repeal of Obamacare would provide that incentive.

so let me get this straight....you want a hnadout to samll businesses who have no net profit? wtf? and obamacare doesn't mean the employer has to apy for all the insurance.......and truly small business isn't even affected. and as obamacare doesn't even take effect for years, do you honestly believe businesss aren't hiring right now because of obamacare? again, wtf?


That is very true as there is so much uncertainty now which isn't a ringing endorsement of the Obama economic plan.



Not sure how old you were during the Reagan years but his record was distorted by people who don't like the American taxpayer keeping more of what they earn, that means less need for liberalism. Do you realize how many times you have stated inherited. What the hell do we pay Congress for if you are going to only blame the President? Democrats have controlled the Congress since January 2007 and controlled the House prior to that. What did Democrats do while they controlled the legislative process? Seems to me they were more interested in regaining the WH than doing their job of controlling Freddie and Fannie.

i was a very young woman. and i saw through reagan then and still do. now, i'm not saying he was a horrible president., but he wasn't st ronnie, as you all like to believe. he increased the debt, increased deficit spending, and left bush with no choice but to raise taxes. he also suuffered through very high unemployment. who is distorting his record? you are. clearly.

As for tax cuts, where are tax cuts as a line item on the expenses of the United States? How can your income be an expense to the govt? Can you explain, because others can't, how tax cuts that grew govt. revenue cause deficits? This is a typical line for the misiformed, tax cuts have to be paid for, BS, tax cuts put more money in taxpayer hands that is used to grow the economy. Happens every time.

this doesn't even deserve a response.

It is frustrating to have to defend you keeping more of what you earn as if it is meaningless and the govt. needs the money first. That is total brainwashing.

i'm not brainwashed, i'm practical. we need to pay down our debt and decrease our borrowing, period. taxes need to be raised, period.



Spoken like a good little soldier, why the insult....?

Raise SS age limit-No, cut the waste, fraud, and abuse in the program and put it back where it belongs in its own account instead of in the General budget.
Raise taxes on the high wage earner- of course promote class envy. tell me how the rich making their money hurt you and your family? Where does human behavior lie in your world?

not the age limit, the cap on what you pay. if i pay 7.5% to ss, then the person bringing in a million should have to pay a progressive amount.

Bring back estate tax-Why? what did the govt. do that created that estate?

who cares? the estate tax is only applicable for largeer estates, and there are plenty of ways to structure an estate to reduce those taxes.

Provide additional stimulus to hire-YES, eliminate Obamacare and reduce corporate tax rates

already answered.

Expand SBA-Just what we need a bigger bureaucracy that cannot create businesses in an anti business environment

do you have a clue what the sba does?
Get rid of Rangel, AGREE
Focus on green energy-paid any attention to the economy of Spain, the leader in green energy. Sounds great but eliminates jobs

proof please? green energy won't result in a net job loss, far from it, for a period, it will provide a job boost.

Focus on Waste, fraud and abuse, AGREED

how nice

Savings-16 million unemployed Americans are depleting their savings by being unemployed
Secure the border-AGREED
Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan-the jury is out on that one, 9/11 cost us over a trillion dollars and to date we have spent about 600 billion.Would you spend 600 billion to save a trillion?

the jury is not out on that.......we could have spent all of that money focusing on how to protect ourselves, not making unnecessary war. that in itself would have created jobs.
 
the jury is not out on that.......we could have spent all of that money focusing on how to protect ourselves, not making unnecessary war. that in itself would have created jobs.

We didn't spend ALL OUR MONEY so stop with the liberal left rhetoric. Defense is the role of the U.S. Govt. not providing for domestic welfare. 60% of our budget is entitlement spending. That budget today is 3.8 trillion dollars, take 60% of that and see how much is spent on social programs. 40% goes to the following:

Defense
International Affairs
Gen. Science, Space
Energy
Natural resources/env
Agriculture
Commerce
Transportation
Community Dev
Education/Train/Social
Health
Income Security
Veterans Benefits
Justice
General Govt.
Net Interest

The current defense budget is about 615 billion dollars, Iraq and Afghanistan have cost about less than 200 billion a year out of that 3+ trillion dollar budget, a drop in the bucket but blamed for the deficits and debt.
 
Don't just mouth the talking points, look into things yourself.... here, I'll get you started. And you think it's that bad now?

What talking points are you referring to, Crunch? I don't understand what you're trying to show me with your statistics. Interest rates and unemployment numbers alone do not reflect the state of the economy.

In many parts of the country, 25% of home equity has gone up in smoke.
There are more foreclosures than any other time in our history. (anecdotal)
People have watched their 401Ks tank 25% since October 2007.
Retirees relying on income from their cash investments have seen that interest income decline by 50%.
Year-over-year personal bankruptcies rose 32% from 2008 to 2009...to a record 1.4 million.
At least ten states are nearing bankruptcy: California, Arizona, Rhode Island, Michigan, Oregon, Nevada, Florida, New Jersey, Illinois and Wisconsin.
Public pensions nationwide are teetering on bankruptcy. There is a nationwide $1 trillion shortfall in the public sector. The Trillion Dollar Gap - The Pew Center on the States

If I thought harder, I could come up with many more catastrophic conditions that exist today that haven't existed at any other time in our history.

I'm not defending Obama. I didn't vote for him. And won't vote for him next time. But nobody is sure how to solve this problem. I do blame Obama because I don't believe he has called on the best and brightest for advice on how to get us out of this mess. But it's no easy solution.
 
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I am a conservative and it is the only ideology that makes any sense to anyone that is capable of thinking. Are you ever going to respond to the numbers Obama has generated?
Do you do standups at the comedy clubs as well? :lamo :lamo

For your information the author of the article works for the conservative Heritage Foundation, so I wouldn't expect him to write anything nice about Obama.
 
Do you do standups at the comedy clubs as well? :lamo :lamo

For your information the author of the article works for the conservative Heritage Foundation, so I wouldn't expect him to write anything nice about Obama.

I don't care where the guy works, what is it in the article that is false? What is it in the Obama record that anyone can be proud of?
 
Of COURSE you care where the guy works! Where else would you read but someplace that writes what you want to hear and believe?

I don't care where the guy works, what is it in the article that is false? What is it in the Obama record that anyone can be proud of?
 
Of COURSE you care where the guy works! Where else would you read but someplace that writes what you want to hear and believe?

All I have seen from you and others here are attacks on the individual but not one comment on the content. That is what liberals do, attack the messenger so you divert from the message. You deserve Barack Obama, the majority in this country don't
 
Refer up to both John's and my posts. Do. Not. Care. About. UK. Bloggers. Perspective.

Find some main stream media that's not your puppet, and I'll chat.

All I have seen from you and others here are attacks on the individual but not one comment on the content. That is what liberals do, attack the messenger so you divert from the message. You deserve Barack Obama, the majority in this country don't
 
All I have seen from you and others here are attacks on the individual but not one comment on the content. That is what liberals do, attack the messenger so you divert from the message. You deserve Barack Obama, the majority in this country don't

Can you EVER just post. Does it always have to be a slime on the libs. Seriously. If we are that bad, it'll show. You don't need to take the constant shots.
 
Refer up to both John's and my posts. Do. Not. Care. About. UK. Bloggers. Perspective.

Find some main stream media that's not your puppet, and I'll chat.

Refer to my post, you attack the messenger and ignore the message. Obama supporters do that a lot for they have nothing to defend with their empty suit President.
 
Refer to my post, you attack the messenger and ignore the message. Obama supporters do that a lot for they have nothing to defend with their empty suit President.

Oh god. Okay. My niece has a 2 y/o. I'm going to go talk to her for awhile now. Have a good night.
 
Can you EVER just post. Does it always have to be a slime on the libs. Seriously. If we are that bad, it'll show. You don't need to take the constant shots.

You have liberal in your lean thus everything I post is directed at you and others just like you. Facts simply get in the way of your personal opinions and feelings which are based purely on ignorance of what Obama is doing. You buy the rhetoric and probably faint at the sound of his voice, but the results don't match that rhetoric.
 
Oh god. Okay. My niece has a 2 y/o. I'm going to go talk to her for awhile now. Have a good night.

Probably a good choice and someone who can probably relate to you. You obviously don't belong in a debate forum
 
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