OldWorldOrder
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How is that the private citizens fault or responsibility? Oh wait....its not.
And yes, it IS a violation of privacy as the government has no need of that information whether its as minimal amount as you think that it is or more. The government has no business knowing my or any one elses connnections unless they are tracking an individual who is a terrorist. My connections are just that...mine. Not the governments. Not yours. Not Joe Blows down the street. Mine. No one has the need to know them except me and the person I am connected with.
So you're just arguing against something that may or may not be happening? Like I said, I can't refute your imagination, dude.
What he is saying is that no one can possibly know everything that any agency that they are in is doing.
And no one can argue with someone else's imagination, so it becomes a nonissue. Either use some verifiable facts or don't bother. Because if someone with zero knowledge of intelligence is going to claim that I'm ignorant...well, they're always gonna lose, because all their argument is doing is pointing out that they're extremely LESS knowledgeable.
You have no personal knowledge of their current actions. Well...none beyond what Snowden has released. Do you deny this?
Which begs the question of what's essential and what's temporary. I didn't know it was essential that the US not store the metadata that phone companies have. That's an interesting take.
lol yes, I do. I highly doubt programs that have been underway for decades just closed up shop after I left. Especially considering I still have friends that work in those places. Hmm...I wonder what they do.
So if you're calling me ignorant, all you're doing is calling yourself even more ignorant. And arguing about what you can imagine they may be doing in your worst nightmares. I'm uninterested in arguing about whether or not it's okay that they do that which you're horrified that they might be doing. That's nonsensical.
Its called privacy. Its called needing a valid warrant to gather that information. It is not so essential that the government has an abritrary right to even gather that private data in the first place without just cause of all those people who they gathered data on being terrorists.
Both you and I know that our rights are based on individuality. That no individual's rights can be compromised without just cause. You and I also know that millions of people who they gathered that data on are NOT terrorists. As such they did not have legal just cause to gather that data. It would be one thing if they compiled a metadata base on criminals/terrorists. But they didn't. That is a fact.
A lot has changed just in the past 4 years in regards to how our government is acting....or at the very least its being brought more into the light thanks to people like Snowden... And if your friends are telling you everything then they are violating their own oaths. Are you making that claim?
Yes, I am calling you ignorant of what the NSA is doing. And biased to boot. Unless your friends are violating their oaths like Snowden did then you are indeed just as ignorant as me on their current actions.
lol whatever fires you up. Continue to whine about something you have no proof of happening.
So now privacy is an essential liberty? Funny how they didn't use that word in even the constitution. Why is that data private?
lol whatever fires you up. Continue to whine about something you have no proof of happening.
lol, better than listening to someone with delusions of grandeur thinking he knows all the secrets of the NSA.
Sorry that investigating claims and looking to keep government properly restrained sounds so radical to you, but seeing as I doubt your absolute knowledge of all NSA secrets, I'm going to go ahead and say we need to investigate and really look into what the NSA has been doing and is doing.
It constitutes my papers and effects. Clearly been protected.
lol
#1- I enjoy you admitting that you're making things up.
#2- You think someone working for an intelligence agency is something "grand". Jesus, there's tens of thousands of people that do. It's not like I was an NFL player or something.
You're investigating? lol you're accusing. There's a difference. Congress has oversight. Write your representatives.
It's too bad the network infrastructure and programming is neither.
I've never made anything up. These accusations are of serious enough concern to warrant investigation. That's it.
Makes people wonder why you, someone in the "know" would fight investigations so much.
My data is mine, if the government needs to search it they can get a warrant.
You thought they were spying on you. You said it. I mean..come on. Anyway, write your representatives.
lol YOU'RE ON TO ME!
It's because ignorant people say ignorant things (clearly). And this is a political debate forum, no?
No, it's not. The conversation is yours. The metadata is not. That's been pretty clearly decided upon. I'm sorry you disagree.
I never said they were spying on me personally, they are aggregating batch data for later parsing of information. It's a mega data mining operation, which should be illegal for government. As such, it's necessary to investigate and stop any improper use of government force or activity.
You don't have all the information, nor do you possess all the knowledge of NSA spying. You sitting here dismissing these accusations carte blanche is engaging in nothing more than you're accusing others of.
I assuredly disagree, "megadata" did not exist back when the Constitution was made, but all my actions and purchasing falls under my papers and effects. It's mine and we must make sure the government understands its off hands without warrant or reasonable suspicion.
Ah, right. We're both equally ignorant. I'm sure that's what you want to believe. You have to- if you admitted that I had more experience in this, you'd have to admit that your position was a lot weaker than mine. But you can't bear to admit that so...
Well, too bad federal judges disagree. Write your representatives. Get a privacy amendment drafted that includes metadata that isn't even yours to own (it would be the phone company's if anything). Until then, deal with it.
It doesn't matter what "experience" you claim to have.
Right. You don't care about facts or experience or anything. You care about what your imagination can muster up.
I have no problems with investigations. But all that should still be classified, we don't need random civilians knowing things. That's bad; they're dumb.
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