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The Nightmare Scenario

eohrnberger said:
Thanks for making my point.

From the citation:


Already well known that huge number of voter rolls are woefully inaccurate, i.e. containing many ineligible voters, duplicates of eligible voters, so much so the risk of large scale voter fraud is a legitimate concern, especially when there are ballot harvesters running after all those 'spare' live ballots.

Although, not by much, beyond the initial ballot request.


Frankly, if a voter wants an absentee ballot, they should have to ask for one each and every election, without fail, just as a confirmation and check that an eligible voter is making the request.
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Pity the child like minds of the right winger:

apnews.com

Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.
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grip said:
This is the stupidest article I've read in a while. I long-winded fantastical set of election chaos scenarios. The media keeps trying to drum up a constitutional crisis over the presidential election where Biden ultimately wins but Trump won't concede. Huh?


www.yahoo.com

The Nightmare Scenario That Keeps Election Lawyers Up At Night -- And Could Hand Trump A Second Term

A "red mirage" on election night and a post-election "blue shift" could lead to an unprecedented constitutional crisis just as the Supreme Court is in turmoil.
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Americans will almost certainly go to bed on Nov. 3 without knowing who won the presidential election. Since millions of people will vote by mail, constraints on time and resources will slow ballot counting into potentially a weeks-long process. Voting patterns suggest it’s likely that President Donald Trump could end Election Day in the lead in certain key states, only to be overtaken by Democratic opponent Joe Biden when more votes are tallied.

This could create a nightmare scenario during the three months stretching from Election Day to the Jan. 20 inauguration: a battle on the state and congressional level over who is the legitimate winner. This could include Congress reconvening on Jan. 6, presided over by Vice President Mike Pence, with no consensus over its potential role in choosing the next president.

This is arguably the most likely of the contested-election narratives, and now the Supreme Court — which would likely have to rule on the legal arcana at issue in this epic battle — has been thrown into its own nightmare scenario with the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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Inauguration Day used to be in March because it took that long to count the votes. There is no rule that the results need to be the same day. We didn't have that in 1960 or in 1968. In those cases, it took an extra day. In 2000, we spend over a month.

The votes should be counted regardless of how long that takes.
 
grip said:
Making your point? You cherry-picked some sentences to twist out of context with your editorializing. How about a few of the security procedures listed...

Paper ballots allow for post-election audits and cutting edge election security methods such as risk-limiting audits (RLA). An RLA compares a random sample of ballots against the vote tally to ensure the outcome of the election is correct.

The identity of every absentee/mailed ballot voter can be verified through signature verification.

The act of sending out absentee/mailed ballots also allows election officials to ensure they have up-to-date addresses for voters.

Security mechanisms to prevent double-voting can be required. For instance, ballot envelopes are barcoded for individual voters, allowing election officials to be sure that they are only accepting one ballot per voter.
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"Security mechanisms to prevent double-voting can be required."
Why isn't that 'Security mechanisms to prevent double-voting are required.' ?

It most certainly should be one eligible voter one vote. That's all I'm for. Why are you so against this?
 
joko104 said:
There is nothing nonsensical about it. The Democrats have pushed mail-in ballots to maximize potential election fraud and to raise as many legal and legitimacy issues with the election result as possible. Mailing out 80 MILLION unrequested ballots - with no way to know if the voter even lives at the same address - is just the start of that plan.
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That's just a lie on several levels. Democrats have pushed mail-in ballots to increase social distancing, for a public that doesn't want to be exposed to Covid and to increase voter participation. The assertion that "80 MILLION unrequested ballots" were mailed out is also a lie. In all but Nevada, voters had to request a ballot.

You need to watch a different cable news channel.
 
joko104 said:
There is no way to know if who voted is the voter - plus they eliminate assuring secret voting. There is no way to know who filled out and signed a mail-in ballot. It's not like partisan election divisions have 100,000 handwriting experts. There is no way to know if ballots are just thrown away too - or anything that can be done about it if they are. The votes are still no counted.

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We have had this system in Colorado for years. It works very well. My son had his signature challenged in the primary, so they are over-zealous in their monitoring.

The only real voter fraud we have experienced is repression of the vote, not fraudulent votes. The idea that someone would risk jail time to do an extra ballot that most likely makes no difference is patently absurd.

(OK, first post in the new format.... too many shades of blue....this is actually hard on my eyes)
 
joko104 said:
There is nothing nonsensical about it. The Democrats have pushed mail-in ballots to maximize potential election fraud and to raise as many legal and legitimacy issues with the election result as possible. Mailing out 80 MILLION unrequested ballots - with no way to know if the voter even lives at the same address - is just the start of that plan.
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Of course it’s all nonsense. There are not 80 million unrequested ballots being mailed out. Trump just made up that number. Of the approximately half that number actually being mailed out unsolicited, Trump is counting the states that have always done it that way.

According to Trump absentee ballots (which are verified the same way as mail-in ballots) require a voter to go through “a very strict process. The equivalent of going to a voting machine, or maybe even sometimes better.” So using his own words, everything is fine.


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eohrnberger said:
Spot on. Their hiring 600 lawyers is in no way preparing for the post election step of their plan. Right?

Democrats are the ones who are degrading the electorate's trust in US institutions, and then have the gall to project and accuse others of doing the same.

Pity those who believe these con men.
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Nonsense. Both sides always hire lawyers.

It’s obvious to anyone that Trump is the one who has been constantly trying to undermine the public’s confidence in the election. How are Democrats doing that? Trump is the one that has said that hundreds of times and has taken actions like undermining the postal service to make things worse. No one has done more to undermine the election than Trump.


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eohrnberger said:
That's conflating that's going on by some. Very little issues with the absentee ballot process.
There are checks and verifications as part of the process.
Not so with mail-in voting, where live ballots are spewed out into the wild, with far fewer checks and verifications.
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They have the same verification process.


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joko104 said:
There is nothing nonsensical about it. The Democrats have pushed mail-in ballots to maximize potential election fraud and to raise as many legal and legitimacy issues with the election result as possible. Mailing out 80 MILLION unrequested ballots - with no way to know if the voter even lives at the same address - is just the start of that plan.
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Even if what you say is true, which it is not, it’s irrelevant. Because of the Electoral College most states are irrelevant in the Presidential Election everyone knows how they will go. No one expects California will go for Trump, for example.

Since none of the relevant (battleground) states are mailing unrequested ballots it’s irrelevant.


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Acadia said:
I'll raise you ballot harvesting and extending the date to count votes 2 WEEKS beyond Nov. 3rd.
It's going to be rife with fraud and lawsuits.
Which is why Republicans should vote on Trump's SCOTUS pick asap.
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That pick will have to recuse herself from any decisions regarding the election. Kavanaugh might have to as well based on his threats of revenge during his hearings.
 
George50 said:
Nonsense. Both sides always hire lawyers.

It’s obvious to anyone that Trump is the one who has been constantly trying to undermine the public’s confidence in the election. How are Democrats doing that? Trump is the one that has said that hundreds of times and has taken actions like undermining the postal service to make things worse. No one has done more to undermine the election than Trump.


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Two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has added the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race to the list of elections she believes were stolen from Democrats, which is quite the turnaround for the woman who said in 2016 that it is “a direct threat to our democracy” to even question the outcome of a U.S. election.

Hillary Clinton once claimed that questioning US election results was a threat to democracy; guess what she's doing now?

So how come Democrats continue to claim that every election they lose the election is rigged, stolen, and the Republican that does win the election is illegitimate, somehow.
This would be degrading the US institution of elections and others, would it not?
 
eohrnberger said:
This would be degrading the US institution of elections and others, would it not?
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Goalpost move, the context is actions taken DIRECTLY by a POTUS to undermine an up-coming election, versus your various entities describing their viewpoint on past elections.
 
eohrnberger said:
Two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has added the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race to the list of elections she believes were stolen from Democrats, which is quite the turnaround for the woman who said in 2016 that it is “a direct threat to our democracy” to even question the outcome of a U.S. election.

Hillary Clinton once claimed that questioning US election results was a threat to democracy; guess what she's doing now?

So how come Democrats continue to claim that every election they lose the election is rigged, stolen, and the Republican that does win the election is illegitimate, somehow.
This would be degrading the US institution of elections and others, would it not?
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LOL. You come up with half a dozen citations from years ago when Trump has said the election will be rigged hundreds of times just this year and you claim that Democrats are the ones causing the public to lose confidence in the election?? Are you serious??


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grip said:
How does mailing out ballots translate into fraud?
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How indeed..

{

An Atlanta family was shocked to find a voter registration form arrive in the mail — for a pet cat that died 12 years ago.

The application that showed up Wednesday at the home of Ron and Carol Tims was pre-printed with the name of “Cody Tims,” according to a photo posted online by Fox5 Atlanta.

“How did this happen? It’s not reality, he’s a cat and he’s been dead for a long time,” Carol told the station.

Carol described the late feline — whose ashes are kept in a green container — as a “great cat, indoor and outdoor, loved his family, loved his neighborhood.”

“He was 18 and a half when he passed away,” she said.

}

nypost.com

Voter registration form mailed to family’s long-dead cat

Look what the postman dragged in. An Atlanta family was shocked to find a voter registration form arrive in the mail — for a pet cat that died 12 years ago. The application that showed up Wed…
nypost.com nypost.com
 
joko104 said:
There is no way to know if who voted is the voter - plus they eliminate assuring secret voting. There is no way to know who filled out and signed a mail-in ballot. It's not like partisan election divisions have 100,000 handwriting experts. There is no way to know if ballots are just thrown away too - or anything that can be done about it if they are. The votes are still no counted.

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Deceased Americans are the democrats largest constituency group. democrats are dedicated to ensuring that deceased Americans are not disenfranchised.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
How indeed..

{

An Atlanta family was shocked to find a voter registration form arrive in the mail — for a pet cat that died 12 years ago.

The application that showed up Wednesday at the home of Ron and Carol Tims was pre-printed with the name of “Cody Tims,” according to a photo posted online by Fox5 Atlanta.

“How did this happen? It’s not reality, he’s a cat and he’s been dead for a long time,” Carol told the station.

Carol described the late feline — whose ashes are kept in a green container — as a “great cat, indoor and outdoor, loved his family, loved his neighborhood.”

“He was 18 and a half when he passed away,” she said.

}

nypost.com

Voter registration form mailed to family’s long-dead cat

Look what the postman dragged in. An Atlanta family was shocked to find a voter registration form arrive in the mail — for a pet cat that died 12 years ago. The application that showed up Wed…
nypost.com nypost.com
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Even if this story were truly, it only gets a "Cool story, bro" designation. A voter registration form is not a ballot.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Goalpost move, the context is actions taken DIRECTLY by a POTUS to undermine an up-coming election, versus your various entities describing their viewpoint on past elections.
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Hardly. Democrats simply don't accept elections which they don't win, and haven't for quite some time. Even now they are already putting excuses in place, seems they don't have much confidence winning in November as they publicly put on.

George50 said:
LOL. You come up with half a dozen citations from years ago when Trump has said the election will be rigged hundreds of times just this year and you claim that Democrats are the ones causing the public to lose confidence in the election?? Are you serious??


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Meh. Trump says a lot of shit, most of it trolling. When he's trolling and you take him more seriously than you should isn't my hang up. It's yours.
 
grip said:
This is the stupidest article I've read in a while. I long-winded fantastical set of election chaos scenarios. The media keeps trying to drum up a constitutional crisis over the presidential election where Biden ultimately wins but Trump won't concede. Huh?


www.yahoo.com

The Nightmare Scenario That Keeps Election Lawyers Up At Night -- And Could Hand Trump A Second Term

A "red mirage" on election night and a post-election "blue shift" could lead to an unprecedented constitutional crisis just as the Supreme Court is in turmoil.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

Americans will almost certainly go to bed on Nov. 3 without knowing who won the presidential election. Since millions of people will vote by mail, constraints on time and resources will slow ballot counting into potentially a weeks-long process. Voting patterns suggest it’s likely that President Donald Trump could end Election Day in the lead in certain key states, only to be overtaken by Democratic opponent Joe Biden when more votes are tallied.

This could create a nightmare scenario during the three months stretching from Election Day to the Jan. 20 inauguration: a battle on the state and congressional level over who is the legitimate winner. This could include Congress reconvening on Jan. 6, presided over by Vice President Mike Pence, with no consensus over its potential role in choosing the next president.

This is arguably the most likely of the contested-election narratives, and now the Supreme Court — which would likely have to rule on the legal arcana at issue in this epic battle — has been thrown into its own nightmare scenario with the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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I've been positing the possibility of such a scenario. But I believe the article is a bit bereft in how the 'two sets of delegates' problem is handled.

In the article historical example, both sets of delegates were sent to the Senate for the vote. However, the House is responsible for sending the delegates and I believe Pelosi would use her prerogative to send only one set. in addition, as the article claims - but not very forcefully, it is the governors who decide upon the set of electors, not the state legislators. So, I think this is more cut & dried than it's presented.
 
Acadia said:
I'll raise you ballot harvesting and extending the date to count votes 2 WEEKS beyond Nov. 3rd.
It's going to be rife with fraud and lawsuits.
Which is why Republicans should vote on Trump's SCOTUS pick asap.
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My gut feeling is Trump & McConnel will play the nomination out until just after the election. Which, if true, means she'll only be able to sit for cases where she's present for the start of the arguments. We'll have to see how that goes, and how long it takes for the first suit and for certiorari to be granted.
 
eohrnberger said:
Hardly. Democrats simply don't accept elections which they don't win, and haven't for quite some time. Even now they are already putting excuses in place, seems they don't have much confidence winning in November as they publicly put on.
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I see you still can't differentiate between a current POTUS taking deliberate actions BEFORE an election to undermine it....versus....people talking.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
40% of ballots cast in the 2016 election were by early / absentee / by mail. In several swing states, including Florida, the number was over half (Florida was over 60%). Elections are basically already determined by mail ballots and have been increasingly so for quite some time.

Republicans are against free, fair and open elections because they can't win without voter suppression.
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Sounds like 76% of votes were in-person.
 
eohrnberger said:
"Security mechanisms to prevent double-voting can be required."
Why isn't that 'Security mechanisms to prevent double-voting are required.' ?

It most certainly should be one eligible voter one vote. That's all I'm for. Why are you so against this?
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Why don't you post something that amounts to proof of all this fraud you right wingers claim exists? Your gawd trump couldn't find it. Can you?
 
Old Trapper said:
No wonder you think there was fraud: 40% plus 76% = 100%?
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He tried to hide some of the in-person voting with that figure. Only 24% of that 40% was mail-in.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I see you still can't differentiate between a current POTUS taking deliberate actions BEFORE an election to undermine it....versus....people talking.
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I can differentiate just fine, thank you. Democrats are talking the same sort of smack, putting in ready made excuses should they lose.
 
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