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Why should we care what a bunch of ignorant old men believed in 325?In the year 325 AD, Bishops gathered in Nicaea to address the growing problem of Arianism in the Church. Arians wrongfully believed that Jesus was a created being, and not the one true God. And so guided by the Spirit, these men assembled the profession of faith. A statement that is still said in Church every Sunday for 1700 years.
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man; And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried. And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father. And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end. And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets; And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the Life of the world to come.
Amen.
In the year 325 AD, Bishops gathered in Nicaea to address the growing problem of Arianism in the Church. Arians wrongfully believed that Jesus was a created being, and not the one true God. And so guided by the Spirit, these men assembled the profession of faith. A statement that is still said in Church every Sunday for 1700 years.
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible; And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man; And was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried. And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father. And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end. And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spake by the Prophets; And I believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the Life of the world to come.
Amen.
The early Christians believed in the Trinity go read the Holy Fathers people who actually studied from the Apostles (Ignatius of Antioch). Just because the creed wasn't formulated until a later date doesn't mean that it wasn't understood, believed, and taught.QUICK FACTS:
“The Nicene Creed is actually not the product of the First Council of Nicea (325) . . . but of the First Council of Constantinople (381),” says The New Westminster Dictionary of Church History.
“The Council of Nicea in 325 stated the crucial formula for [the yet future Trinity] doctrine in its confession that the Son is ‘of the same substance . . . as the Father.’”—Encyclopædia Britannica.
“The Christian Bible, including the New Testament, has no trinitarian statements or speculations concerning a trinitary deity.”—Encyclopædia Britannica.
“The doctrine of the trinity . . . is not a product of the earliest Christian period, and we do not find it carefully expressed before the end of the second century.”—Library of Early Christianity—Gods and the One God.
“In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the [Catholic] Church had to develop her own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin.”—Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What the Nicene Creed says:
“We believe . . . in one Lord Jesus Christ . . . that is of the substance of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God.”
What the Bible says:
“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.a
“I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.
“To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1 Peter 1:3.
“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”—Revelation 3:14.b
WHY SHOULD YOU CARE?
Jesus said that “the true worshipers will worship the Father with . . . truth.” (John 4:23) That truth has been recorded in the Bible. (John 17:17) Does the Bible teach that the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit are three persons in one God?
For one thing, the Bible does not mention the word “Trinity.” For another, Jesus never claimed to be equal to God. Instead, Jesus worshipped God. (Luke 22:41-44) A third line of evidence concerns Jesus’ relationship with his followers. Even after he was raised from the dead to the spirit realm, Jesus called his followers “my brothers.” (Matthew 28:10) Were they brothers of Almighty God? Of course not! But through their faith in Christ—God’s preeminent Son—they too became sons of the one Father. (Galatians 3:26) Compare some additional scriptures with the following statement from the creed attributed to the Council of Nicaea.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102013286
Why should we care what a bunch of ignorant old men believed in 325?
Anathema!I think it's always more interesting to look at the people to reject the creed and why they rejected it. Also the current version of the Nicene creed is not the original, because it was amended in 381 during the First Council of Constantinople.
This is the og Nicence Creed:
Translated from Greek of course, since that was the language of the early church. But the whole point was to ostracise the Arian Christians who believed the supposed teaching os Arius (we actually don't really know if Arius himself subsribed to this, because his writings are mostly lost) that argued that the Son was a creation of the Father, and thus distinct from the Father. And thus since the Son was made, it also meant the Son hadn't always existed and there must have been a time before the Son.
What if one doesn't?WHY SHOULD YOU CARE?
Anathema!
The son is eternally in the bosom of the Father. He was firstborn of all creation and is one with the Father true God from true God.
It's still important to know the God we worship. Which is why the Nicene Creed was a necessary statement of faith by the Church.I get some people need to have the mysticism of religion, but the important thing about Jesus is his teachings and his actions.
"Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. ' This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
It's still important to know the God we worship. Which is why the Nicene Creed was a necessary statement of faith by the Church.
I think 'just follow Jesus' will make you a good person. But won't save if you don't believe he's truly God.
Firstborn of all creation means just what it says. The first of all creation to be born. Thus a created being.
It's also implicit in the Father-Son relationship. If Jesus was as old as God, that would make them twin brothers.
John 8:58 (KJV):
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
AC take it one step further. yes he was born of Mary, we get that with the christmas story.
Jesus said, before Abraham was, i am. basically before Abraham was born he was the I AM or God. we find in the bible that Jesus was the Creator and other things.
That can't be what is meant by "firstborn of all creation" though, because there were many births before that. When Jesus was born to Mary, it wasn't His first birth. He was, wait for it...
...born again!
Adam was before Abraham as well. Does that make Adam God as well?
AC, Jesus was incarnated; meaning he moved out of heaven into a body that Mary gave birth too.
before Mary giving birth he existed before Abraham; the Jews understood that to mean that he was God.
look in Genesis, and God said let US make man in our image. the US is the Trinity, the pluralness of God, the 3 in 1
no because Adam was Created and sinned against God. Adam lived 900 plus years and died.
Excellent points that will be glossed over from the crowd...Firstborn of all creation means just what it says. The first of all creation to be born. Thus a created being.
It's also implicit in the Father-Son relationship. If Jesus was as old as God, that would make them twin brothers.
If so, that was pretty silly of them lot's of people existed before Abraham.
Because He had already created Jesus.*
How could Adam have been created if he lived before Abraham? Are you suggesting that living before Abraham isn't the same thing as being God?
*Really he was talking to Asherah at that point, before the messy breakup.
It's not as complicated as the crowd wants to make it sound...the firstborn of all creation means just that...Jehovah God created Jesus Christ before He created anything else, so yes, Jesus existed before Abraham...before the heavens and earth were created...the firstborn of ALL creation...
Lots of people were not Jewish.If so, that was pretty silly of them lot's of people existed before Abraham.
Because He had already created Jesus.*
How could Adam have been created if he lived before Abraham? Are you suggesting that living before Abraham isn't the same thing as being God?
GOD doesn't waste HIS time talking to pretend (man made) deities.*Really he was talking to Asherah at that point, before the messy breakup.
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