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The biggest threat to your freedoms isn't due to secret organizations. It's complacency and apathy.But sure enough you can't say that there would never be or couldn't be a secret organization out there that wants to control things.
Nonsense. Thoughts don't equate to the reality of the impossible.Sure it sounds like something from a cartoon/anime but the thought of it alone should make it possible.
Two opposite opinions on a controversial topic? Nevar.Demon of Light said:What amazes me is how we can have one side going for the extreme characterization of Freemasonry as an institution seeking to dominate the world, and the other side insisting the bizarre notion these organizations are of little to no importance at all.
Yes, Weishaupt recruited members of the freemasons, so what? Should I take the Order of the Dragon seriously too? Even though it hasn't existed for over 500 years? It's membership was nothing but royalty, and high ranking nobility all over Europe as well. Where's their conspiracy theory?For one, the Bavarian Illuminati did not limit itself to Bavarian intellectuals and included many who were born and lived outside of Bavaria. Among the notable members was Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick, who most notably sat at the head of a major Freemason rite that had branches all over Europe. That fact alone means you should take talk about the Illuminati more seriously.
It's more akin to organized religious orthodoxies, since the freemasons are a religious organization.As for the Freemasons, the notion that a group of wealthy and influential individuals meeting in secret is "useless" and was only ever about identifying skilled workers is nonsense. That is like saying the Council on Foreign Relations is just a useless forum where people chatter about world events.
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions, but it is a mysterious appeal to those looking for a new path, and is deeply rooted in many a families tradition. Like it or not, that has a lot of pull to it.Were it really so useless I imagine far fewer people would join and it would not be such an attractive meeting place for people of influence.
Two opposite opinions on a controversial topic? Nevar.
Yes, Weishaupt recruited members of the freemasons, so what? Should I take the Order of the Dragon seriously too? Even though it hasn't existed for over 500 years? It's membership was nothing but royalty, and high ranking nobility all over Europe as well. Where's their conspiracy theory?
It's more akin to organized religious orthodoxies, since the freemasons are a religious organization.
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions, but it is a mysterious appeal to those looking for a new path, and is deeply rooted in many a families tradition. Like it or not, that has a lot of pull to it.
Still freemasons. If you want to abolish monarchical theocracy in favor of secular democracy, why not recruit the people that can have a real impact in that goal? I happen to agree with the stated goal of the Illuminati. Theocracy is a terrible thing to impose on a people.Weishaupt did not merely recruit freemasons, but high-level freemasons.
I didn't say the Knights Hospitaller, or the Teutonic Knights. The Knights Hospitaller was initiated in the 11th century in Jerusalem in order to protect a hospital, well before the Order of the Dragon, and continued well beyond, into the 18th century. The Order of the Dragon was initiated in Hungary by King Sigismund in the mid 15th century to fight the Ottoman Turks. It was popular in Germany, Italy, Wallachia, Serbia, and Hungary. The Teutonic Knights were initiated in Israel, but in the late 12th century, and were liquidated in the early 13th century for aligning themselves with the papacy, instead of the Hungarian crown. These three never even crossed paths. I've heard the conspiracies about the two you've mentioned, but crickets when it comes to the Order of the Dragon, outside of the stories of Vlad III.As for as the Order of the Dragon, I guess that depends on why you think there are not conspiracy theories surrounding the Knights Hospitaller or the Teutonic Knights.
The Illuminati was permanently liquidated in 1785. Weishaupt wasn't the only man to dream of a world governed by secular democracy, either. It was a product of the Age of Enlightenment. Augustin Barruel started the conspiracy theory surrounding the Illuminati's involvement in the French revolution. He was also very much vested in the papacy, and was against the new French constitution. One of his scare tactics was the suggestion of an overthrow of Christianity, while he hid in England. I don't find this mans words to be trustworthy in the least, since he had more than enough motive and knowledge to scapegoat the Illuminati.Some groups are largely of fleeting significance, while others are not. What makes the Illuminati significant is the way it intertwined with European Freemasonry and its proximity to major world events like the French Revolution and Italian Unification. It also had a very clear and specific ideological agenda with regards to reshaping the world order at the time.
By modern religious standards, yes, it is different. That's because they use traditions of their past, and have a structural order based on skill sets when it was an organization of artisans and skilled workers. They wouldn't be the only religious group with structured tiers of membership, either. They resemble a very organized coven of pagan witches or, what would now be called, occultists.Comparing Freemasonry to a religion in terms of ideology is reasonable, but in terms of structure and function it is not even close to an accurate comparison
I always speculated that hiphop was apart of the freemasons.....
Further more what's intelligent is that all hiphop rappers throw up the same freemason/illuminati signs. It's evident. And some say they sold their soul to the Devil, like Snoop Dogg.you are judging a 25 year old genre of musicians, by the words of one man?
wow, that's really intelligent.
Further more what's intelligent is that all hiphop rappers throw up the same freemason/illuminati signs....
Be aware that groups believed to be part of the Elite NWO such as the Bilderberg Group, they want to reduce the world population to numbers that most likely don't include anyone who posts on this Forum site unless you are very productive farmer, or have some very essential position that can keep the Elite living at the level they belive they alone deserve.
A few years back Henry Kissinger made a speech about it at a Bilderberg Group meeting and it hit the news.
Finally someone else who doesn't wear blinders.
you are judging a 25 year old genre of musicians, by the words of one man?
wow, that's really intelligent.
Further more what's intelligent is that all hiphop rappers throw up the same freemason/illuminati signs. It's evident. And some say they sold their soul to the Devil, like Snoop Dogg.
prove it. show us photos of 10 popular hip-hop artists making a "freemason/illuminati" sign.
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I don't feel like posting images. I'll just name names.
Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, Rihanna, Rick Ross, Birdman, The "G" Unit, Drake(lol that should be obvious if you take a look at the freemason symbol in see the resemblence of that and the G-unit sign) and others. I don't feel like naming, its all over. Use Google for once.
Not all of them are freemasons, some think that that's why Tupac and Biggie were murdered because they spoke out against the illuminati
Lol. Your baiting doesn't work with me anymore. Maybe if you payed attention to the scene you'd see for yourself. I'm tired of having to spoon feed you everything. Most people would google my claims and disprove them that way. However that isn't the case here. Perhpas you to, are being lazy.Jay-Z...that's one.
don't feel like providing evidence for your bold accusations against these other artists? that's pretty dishonest of you.
what if someone accused you of being a dis-info agent...without evidence? would you like that?
Lol. Your baiting doesn't work with me anymore. Maybe if you payed attention to the scene you'd see for yourself. I'm tired of having to spoon feed you everything.....
Fair enough.if you don't feel the need to provide any evidence for your claims, that's fine.
but don't expect anyone to believe you.
Fair enough.
But most people that question, looks to see if their is any credibility themselves.
Guess you should fit me with the lazy section. I'm very lazy, but when I do provide evidence, they are skipped or ridiculed for only a couple being with a conspiracy site(the only conspiracy site would be infowars, and they link to official articles).most honest people provide evidence for their claims. however, there are three groups of people who do not provide evidence for their claims. those who are arrogant, those who are lazy, and those who are ignorant.
Guess you should fit me with the lazy section. I'm very lazy, but when I do provide evidence, they are skipped or ridiculed for only a couple being with a conspiracy site(the only conspiracy site would be infowars, and they link to official articles).
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