The Mexican-American Treaty of Guagalupe Hidalgo. (1 Viewer)

[EkBalam]

Does any body know about their articles?:2wave:

 

[Captain America]

All's I know about Guadalupe and Hildago is that they are two of the friendliest towns in Texas.

Was in Hildago last year working for The Gypsie Kings.

 

[EkBalam]

And U are an educator!


Oh My!!!!!!


:mrgreen:

 

[Captain America]

And you are a user. :mrgreen:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

**** Aztlan!!! Not on my watch.

 

[akyron]

All's I know about Guadalupe and Hildago is that they are two of the friendliest towns in Texas.

Was in Hildago last year working for The Gypsie Kings.

I have not seen an unfriendly town in Texas yet and I have stayed from Laredo to Corpus to Texarkana to Plano.
I do not care for Austin but thats because of things other than the people.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

How hard is it to search the Internet to find a copy?

This site has images of the actual hand written bi-lingual documents.

Then there's this text page...

TREATY OF PEACE, FRIENDSHIP, LIMITS, AND SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNITED MEXICAN STATES CONCLUDED AT GUADALUPE HIDALGO, FEBRUARY 2, 1848; RATIFICATION ADVISED BY SENATE, WITH AMENDMENTS, MARCH 10, 1848; RATIFIED BY PRESIDENT, MARCH 16, 1848; RATIFICATIONS EXCHANGED AT QUERETARO, MAY 30, 1848; PROCLAIMED, JULY 4, 1848.

IN THE NAME OF ALMIGHTY GOD
The United States of America and the United Mexican States animated by a sincere desire to put an end to the calamities of the war which unhappily exists between the two Republics and to establish Upon a solid basis relations of peace and friendship, which shall confer reciprocal benefits upon the citizens of both, and assure the concord, harmony, and mutual confidence wherein the two people should live, as good neighbors have for that purpose appointed their respective plenipotentiaries, that is to say: The President of the United States has appointed Nicholas P Trist, a citizen of the United States, and the President of the Mexican Republic has appointed Don Luis Gonzaga Cuevas, Don Bernardo Couto, and Don Miguel Atristain, citizens of the said Republic; Who, after a reciprocal communication of their respective full powers, have, under the protection of Almighty God, the author of peace, arranged, agreed upon, and signed the following:

Treaty of Peace, Friendship, Limits, and Settlement between the United States of America and the Mexican Republic.

ARTICLE I

There shall be firm and universal peace between the United States of America and the Mexican Republic, and between their respective countries, territories, cities, towns, and people, without exception of places or persons.

ARTICLE II

Immediately upon the signature of this treaty, a convention shall be entered into between a commissioner or commissioners appointed ~y the General-in-chief of the forces of the United States, and such as may be appointed by the Mexican Government, to the end that a provisional suspension of hostilities shall take place, and that, in the places occupied by the said forces, constitutional order may be reestablished, as regards the political, administrative, and judicial branches, so far as this shall be permitted by the circumstances of military occupation.

ARTICLE III...

You get the idea.

The Mexicans started the war, they lost it. What's the big deal? They don't have the right to invade now because of that.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

This is probably the most interesting and valuable Article of the Treaty:

ARTICLE XVI

Each of the contracting parties reserves to itself the entire right to fortify whatever point within its territory it may judge proper so to fortify for its security.

So, if the United States ever figures out where it put it's balls, we can build any damn fence we want to, and mount cannons on them, and machine guns, and mine the lands that we don't put walls on, and Mexico can shove it.

We should post a reward for America's Missing Balls.

Mexico is clearly in violation of Article XXI:

ARTICLE XXI

If unhappily any disagreement should hereafter arise between the Governments of the two republics, whether with respect to the interpretation of any stipulation in this treaty, or with respect to any other particular concerning the political or commercial relations of the two nations, the said Governments, in the name of those nations, do promise to each other that they will endeavour, in the most sincere and earnest manner, to settle the differences so arising, and to preserve the state of peace and friendship in which the two countries are now placing themselves, using, for this end, mutual representations and pacific negotiations.

Mexico is doing the exact opposite of endeavoring, "in the most sincere and earnest manner, to settle the differences so arising,".

Thus the justification for a fortified border exists in the treaty itself.

 

[EkBalam]

United States in Possession of Mexican Territory—Circumstances Concerning War With Mexico—The Treaty Protocol—Boundaries—Area—Cost of Cession—Delivery of the Cession.

On the first of January, 1848, the United States was in possession of the City of Mexico, the city of Chihuahua, and of the eastern seaports of Mexico, as well as of the territory now forming the States of New Mexico, Arizona and California, together with Lower California. California was the pawn which several European countries claimed and were trying to secure, and England, in particular, had she secured California, in all probability would have held all the coast territory west of the Rocky Mountains, including what is now the States of Utah, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, California and Nevada. She would probably have allowed Mexico or the United States to hold the Apache infested country of New Mexico and Arizona.

In order that my readers may be informed of the circumstances concerning the war with Mexico, and the subsequent acquisition by the United States of that part of the territory of Mexico in Arizona north of the Gila River, I quote here from Donaldson's Public Domain as follows:

The treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, between the United States and the Republic of Mexico, February 2nd, 1848, added to the national and

public domain the territory lying between the Rio Grande River north along the one hundred and sixth meridian of longitude west from Greenwich to the forty-second parallel north latitude, and along that parallel to the Pacific Ocean. Prior to the time that Commodore Sloat took possession of California, she had been the object of jealous attention on the part of several foreign nations. The Russians established themselves at Bodega, on the coast of California, in the year 1812, by permission of Spain, for the purpose of fishing and obtaining furs. Then, after this, they brought cattle, raised herds, and produced wheat. Forty miles from Bodega, beyond the San Sebastian river. they built Fort Slawianski, called by the Mexicans 'Fort of Ross.' They flew the Russian flag, and the military governor appointed by the Czar of Russia was in command. During the Mexican Revolution, they assumed to be the actual owners of the territory thus occupied. In the year 1842, through the fostering care of the Russian home government, this colony possessed one-sixth of the white population of California. After the United States finally acquired California, this military colony was withdrawn.

In the year 1835 President Jackson proposed to the government of Mexico to purchase the territory lying east and north of a line drawn from the Gulf of Mexico along the eastern bank of the Rio Grande, up to the thirty-seventh parallel north latitude, and thence along that parallel to the Pacific Ocean. This would have obtained the Bay of San Francisco, but the negotiation failed.

 

[EkBalam]

The latest proof Mexico is still being invaded by U.S.
By JOE OLVERA
IT'S there in black and white. Article XVI of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo states: "Each of the contracting parties (the United States and Mexico) reserves to itself the entire right to fortify whatever point within its territory it may judge proper so to fortify for its security."

The war between the United States and Mexico, which ended in 1848, culminated in Mexico losing more than 1 million square miles of land in what amounted to a forceful land grab by the United States.

The treaty was meant to protect each nation from future encroachments. This also means, of course, that the recent action by agents from the U.S. Justice Department, crossing the Rio Grande/Rio Bravo's boundaries to conduct an investigation of alleged drug money laundering in the Aztec Kingdom, is highly illegal. Of course, legalities, or moralities, don't enter the picture when it comes to the way the United States has traditionally dealt with Mexico -- treaty or no treaty.

Justice Department operatives were supposedly investigating the laundering of drug money by Mexican bankers. Based on their findings, the agents then lured at least 24 bankers to this country, where they were subsequently arrested. The greedy bankers were enticed to Las Vegas with promises of more lucre. Instead, they faced handcuffs and humiliation.

The issue, as I see it, is not whether those 24 bankers are guilty or innocent of laundering money, a serious enough accusation. The issue is that Mexico is still being invaded by the United States without regard to Article XVI of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The way I read that article is that neither Mexico nor the United States will infringe on each other's territory. But this nation's government once again has ignored the fact that Mexico is a sovereign nation.

That U.S. forces dared to cross into Mexico to conduct an investigation is an indignity beyond words. I'm truly surprised at the lack of an outcry from thinking Chicano leaders. Countless complaints have been aired about Taco Bell's Dinkie the Chihuahua, but there has been virtual silence about this very real atrocity.

What it says is that some Chicanos think the United States did nothing wrong by invading Mexico, but Taco Bell committed a mortal sin by displaying a Spanish-speaking Chihuahua in its stupid commercials. My goodness, a Chihuahua that speaks Spanish? What'll they think of next?

The fact that the United States still treats Mexico like a conquered nation means that Mexico still lives and dies under the adage: Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de Dios, y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos. (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States). The U.S. Justice Department is justifying the fact that it didn't inform the Mexican government about the planned invasion because it feared for the safety of its operatives. The precedent has been set. What's to stop the United States from conducting future incursions -- as long as they're secret and nobody finds out? The so-called war between the United States and Mexico was concocted under the falsehood of Manifest Destiny, which held that the United States was under orders from God to save Mexico from itself.

Those "orders" still stand. This sting by U.S. forces proves my point. Do you think for one minute that Mexican authorities could conduct such an investigation in the United States?

Can you imagine the outrage? The United States is, after all, a sovereign nation.

More sovereign than Mexico? Obviously.

Well, back to the drawing board. Maybe Dinkie the Chihuahua can do another commercial Yo quiero un treaty nuevo. (I want a new treaty).

Why the media never say nothing about those articles? Article 11.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The latest proof Mexico is still being invaded by U.S.
By JOE OLVERA
IT'S there in black and white. Article XVI of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo states: "Each of the contracting parties (the United States and Mexico) reserves to itself the entire right to fortify whatever point within its territory it may judge proper so to fortify for its security."

The war between the United States and Mexico, which ended in 1848, culminated in Mexico losing more than 1 million square miles of land in what amounted to a forceful land grab by the United States.

The treaty was meant to protect each nation from future encroachments. This also means, of course, that the recent action by agents from the U.S. Justice Department, crossing the Rio Grande/Rio Bravo's boundaries to conduct an investigation of alleged drug money laundering in the Aztec Kingdom, is highly illegal. Of course, legalities, or moralities, don't enter the picture when it comes to the way the United States has traditionally dealt with Mexico -- treaty or no treaty.

Justice Department operatives were supposedly investigating the laundering of drug money by Mexican bankers. Based on their findings, the agents then lured at least 24 bankers to this country, where they were subsequently arrested. The greedy bankers were enticed to Las Vegas with promises of more lucre. Instead, they faced handcuffs and humiliation.

The issue, as I see it, is not whether those 24 bankers are guilty or innocent of laundering money, a serious enough accusation. The issue is that Mexico is still being invaded by the United States without regard to Article XVI of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The way I read that article is that neither Mexico nor the United States will infringe on each other's territory. But this nation's government once again has ignored the fact that Mexico is a sovereign nation.

That U.S. forces dared to cross into Mexico to conduct an investigation is an indignity beyond words. I'm truly surprised at the lack of an outcry from thinking Chicano leaders. Countless complaints have been aired about Taco Bell's Dinkie the Chihuahua, but there has been virtual silence about this very real atrocity.

What it says is that some Chicanos think the United States did nothing wrong by invading Mexico, but Taco Bell committed a mortal sin by displaying a Spanish-speaking Chihuahua in its stupid commercials. My goodness, a Chihuahua that speaks Spanish? What'll they think of next?

The fact that the United States still treats Mexico like a conquered nation means that Mexico still lives and dies under the adage: Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de Dios, y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos. (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States). The U.S. Justice Department is justifying the fact that it didn't inform the Mexican government about the planned invasion because it feared for the safety of its operatives. The precedent has been set. What's to stop the United States from conducting future incursions -- as long as they're secret and nobody finds out? The so-called war between the United States and Mexico was concocted under the falsehood of Manifest Destiny, which held that the United States was under orders from God to save Mexico from itself.

Those "orders" still stand. This sting by U.S. forces proves my point. Do you think for one minute that Mexican authorities could conduct such an investigation in the United States?

Can you imagine the outrage? The United States is, after all, a sovereign nation.

More sovereign than Mexico? Obviously.

Well, back to the drawing board. Maybe Dinkie the Chihuahua can do another commercial Yo quiero un treaty nuevo. (I want a new treaty).

Why the media never say nothing about those articles? Article 11.

LMFAO you have people smuggling drugs into our ****ing country, you have 20 million illegal immigrants that have already invaded from the south with another 1 million crossing the border illegally annually, and we're the invaders?

Yes let's build the wall and we can keep your ****ing drugs and people the hell out of our country!!!

 

[EkBalam]

Hey! People don't smuggle drugs to the innocent Americans!

Americans demand drugs from all over the world, not only Mexico.

Anybody can denny that! Common dude! be down to earth!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Hey! People don't smuggle drugs to the innocent Americans!

Americans demand drugs from all over the world, not only Mexico.

Anybody can denny that! Common dude! be down to earth!

And you bring them into our country illegally bolstered by your own corrupt military and you're saying that our government doesn't have the right to do what your own corrupt government refuses to?

Until you keep your drugs and illegals from invading our country then your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

[EkBalam]

Just remember The mexican american war... You are talking like if Mexico won that war and took over the US.


First Who is the US? The 13 colonies? Aztlan? Both and far beyond?

Who?

The Mexican-americans?
The German-americans?
The Russian-Americans?
The Arab-americabns?
The Jewish -Americans?
The Chinesse-Americans?
The negros?
The Native Indians???
Who?

All of us immigrants or citizens whose ancestors were immigrants?

Think about it, and stop talking like a selfish hater

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Just remember The mexican american war... You are talking like if Mexico won that war and took over the US.


First Who is the US? The 13 colonies? Aztlan? Both and far beyond?

Who?

The Mexican-americans?
The German-americans?
The Russian-Americans?
The Arab-americabns?
The Jewish -Americans?
The Chinesse-Americans?
The negros?
The Native Indians???
Who?

All of us immigrants or citizens whose ancestors were immigrants?

Think about it, and stop talking like a selfish hater

A) **** Aztlan.

B) We are all Americans that's the problem with the multiculturalists they encourage division rather than assimilation. Multiculturalism is a divider not a uniter.

 

[EkBalam]

We are all Americans that's the problem with the multiculturalists they encourage division rather than assimilation. Multiculturalism is a divider not a uniter.

being American, what does it mean?

denny evrything related with Latino or Spanish

and make believe USA is still New Brittain?

Do u think Jewish must forget their traditions and become Americans?

Or mexicans theirs and do the same?

Or what about the Irish, The Scotish or X...



Don't despite The Mexican-americans, because if u do it , You despite America!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

being American, what does it mean?

denny evrything related with Latino or Spanish

and make believe USA is still New Brittain?

Do u think Jewish must forget their traditions and become Americans?

Or mexicans theirs and do the same?

Or what about the Irish, The Scotish or X...



Don't despite The Mexican-americans, because if u do it , You despite America!

The Irish, the Scotish, and the Jews do not hold allegiance to a foriegn power the same can not be said for the illegals who are fighting for Aztlan. They refuse to assimilate or to learn the English language and they wish that the South West be returned to Mexico. That is the difference.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

United States in Possession of Mexican Territory—Circumstances Concerning War With Mexico—The Treaty Protocol—Boundaries—Area—Cost of Cession—Delivery of the Cession.

On the first of January, 1848, the United States was in possession of the City of Mexico, the city of Chihuahua, and of the eastern seaports of Mexico, as well as of the territory now forming the States of New Mexico, Arizona and California, together with Lower California. California was the pawn which several European countries claimed and were trying to secure, and England, in particular, had she secured California, in all probability would have held all the coast territory west of the Rocky Mountains, including what is now the States of Utah, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, California and Nevada. She would probably have allowed Mexico or the United States to hold the Apache infested country of New Mexico and Arizona.

In order that my readers may be informed of the circumstances concerning the war with Mexico, and the subsequent acquisition by the United States of that part of the territory of Mexico in Arizona north of the Gila River, I quote here from Donaldson's Public Domain as follows:

The treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, between the United States and the Republic of Mexico, February 2nd, 1848, added to the national and

public domain the territory lying between the Rio Grande River north along the one hundred and sixth meridian of longitude west from Greenwich to the forty-second parallel north latitude, and along that parallel to the Pacific Ocean. Prior to the time that Commodore Sloat took possession of California, she had been the object of jealous attention on the part of several foreign nations. The Russians established themselves at Bodega, on the coast of California, in the year 1812, by permission of Spain, for the purpose of fishing and obtaining furs. Then, after this, they brought cattle, raised herds, and produced wheat. Forty miles from Bodega, beyond the San Sebastian river. they built Fort Slawianski, called by the Mexicans 'Fort of Ross.' They flew the Russian flag, and the military governor appointed by the Czar of Russia was in command. During the Mexican Revolution, they assumed to be the actual owners of the territory thus occupied. In the year 1842, through the fostering care of the Russian home government, this colony possessed one-sixth of the white population of California. After the United States finally acquired California, this military colony was withdrawn.

In the year 1835 President Jackson proposed to the government of Mexico to purchase the territory lying east and north of a line drawn from the Gulf of Mexico along the eastern bank of the Rio Grande, up to the thirty-seventh parallel north latitude, and thence along that parallel to the Pacific Ocean. This would have obtained the Bay of San Francisco, but the negotiation failed.

"Public Domain"? Mexico's copyright to the land north of the Rio Grande expired when they signed the Treaty of Velasquez with the newly independent nation of Texas.

And the Russion occupation of part of San Francisco bay, 2000 miles away from the Rio Grande, is relevant in what way?

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

The latest proof Mexico is still being invaded by U.S.
By JOE OLVERA
IT'S there in black and white. Article XVI of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo states: "Each of the contracting parties (the United States and Mexico) reserves to itself the entire right to fortify whatever point within its territory it may judge proper so to fortify for its security."

The war between the United States and Mexico, which ended in 1848, culminated in Mexico losing more than 1 million square miles of land in what amounted to a forceful land grab by the United States.

Looks like Joey's pretty ignorant of history. Of reality, too. Mexico lost the war, reparations are a normal part of the process, but when the VICTOR pays the LOSER for lands taken, it's a called a purchase. Perhaps Mexico shouldn't have been so eager to start a war? Hmmm? Don't forget that fact.

The treaty was meant to protect each nation from future encroachments. This also means, of course, that the recent action by agents from the U.S. Justice Department, crossing the Rio Grande/Rio Bravo's boundaries to conduct an investigation of alleged drug money laundering in the Aztec Kingdom, is highly illegal.

Yeah, it's illegal when the Mexican Army fires rounds at US Border Patrol agents from the lower class side of the border, too. But it looks like Joey's overlooking the this most excellent cause for an alleged US incursion onto Mex dirt. Besides, what's one or two border agents when millions of the damn things from down South cross north every years?

Of course, legalities, or moralities, don't enter the picture when it comes to the way the United States has traditionally dealt with Mexico -- treaty or no treaty.

Yeah, when Mexico can't act legally, and it's a stranger to morality, it doesn't have a pot to piss in when an occasional reprisal is taken.

Justice Department operatives were supposedly investigating the laundering of drug money by Mexican bankers. Based on their findings, the agents then lured at least 24 bankers to this country, where they were subsequently arrested. The greedy bankers were enticed to Las Vegas with promises of more lucre. Instead, they faced handcuffs and humiliation.

So? We're supposed to care when we catch criminals in a sting? There's something wrong about this? What'll happen next, they get put in a Mexican prison?

The issue, as I see it, is not whether those 24 bankers are guilty or innocent of laundering money, a serious enough accusation. The issue is that Mexico is still being invaded by the United States without regard to Article XVI of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The way I read that article is that neither Mexico nor the United States will infringe on each other's territory. But this nation's government once again has ignored the fact that Mexico is a sovereign nation.

Since the damn Mexican government won't keep it's wetbacks on its side of the border, since the damn Mexican government is financing maps showing the best invasion routes, and pamphlets to maximize the survival of their invading army, we should give a **** if a couple of US cops go into Mexico?

I don't think so. We all know who is responsible for the present tensions between the best place in the world and the adjacent sewer.

That U.S. forces dared to cross into Mexico to conduct an investigation is an indignity beyond words.

True enough. We should sit back on our side of the border and spend the day shooting cans.

I'm truly surprised at the lack of an outcry from thinking Chicano leaders.

Thinking chicano leaders. And oxymoron, even!

Countless complaints have been aired about Taco Bell's Dinkie the Chihuahua, but there has been virtual silence about this very real atrocity.

That's because the dog was stupid. And it' s an atrocity to enforce US laws. If the US did more enforcing, there'd be a lot more unhappy poor people in Mexico thinking about overthrowing their government. That would be a very good thing indeed.

What it says is that some Chicanos think the United States did nothing wrong by invading Mexico, but Taco Bell committed a mortal sin by displaying a Spanish-speaking Chihuahua in its stupid commercials.

The US hasn't invaded Mexico. Not when you refuse to use the same word to describe the opposite process.

The fact that the United States still treats Mexico like a conquered nation means that Mexico still lives and dies under the adage: Pobre Mexico, tan lejos de Dios, y tan cerca de los Estados Unidos. (Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States). The U.S. Justice Department is justifying the fact that it didn't inform the Mexican government about the planned invasion because it feared for the safety of its operatives. The precedent has been set. What's to stop the United States from conducting future incursions -- as long as they're secret and nobody finds out?

Oh, I don't know why the should be kept secret. Given the condition Mexico is in, I figure a determined band of Boy Scouts could take Mexico city and change the government policies down there. We did it before with not much more.

The so-called war between the United States and Mexico was concocted under the falsehood of Manifest Destiny, which held that the United States was under orders from God to save Mexico from itself.

HEY! JOESY! Mexico started the war, remember?

Those "orders" still stand. This sting by U.S. forces proves my point. Do you think for one minute that Mexican authorities could conduct such an investigation in the United States?

Well, no. Any methane detector would soon sniff them out.

Can you imagine the outrage? The United States is, after all, a sovereign nation.

Oh, then how about if the 20 million invading wetbacks for Mexico go home and start respecting our sovereignity?

20 cops down there, 20 million welfare cases up here. It doesn't seem balanced.

More sovereign than Mexico? Obviously.

As far as I'm concerned, the US is more sovereign than anyone. Don't like it? Go home.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Just remember The mexican american war... You are talking like if Mexico won that war and took over the US.


First Who is the US? The 13 colonies? Aztlan? Both and far beyond?

Who?

The Mexican-americans?
The German-americans?
The Russian-Americans?
The Arab-americabns?
The Jewish -Americans?
The Chinesse-Americans?
The negros?
The Native Indians???
Who?

All of us immigrants or citizens whose ancestors were immigrants?

Think about it, and stop talking like a selfish hater

Selfish people want what isn't theirs. Like the millions upon millions of invading wetbacks illegally entering this country to steal.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

being American, what does it mean?

denny evrything related with Latino or Spanish

They better learn english because we don't want them here if they're too lazy to learn our language. If they don't want to learn our language, why don't they stay home? Considering how wonderfully latin culture has treated them, you'd figure they'd grow up and try something that works for a change.

and make believe USA is still New Brittain?

they can do that while still in Mexico. Perhaps they should go home and practice until they get it down pat?

Do u think Jewish must forget their traditions and become Americans?

Sounds good to me. They moved here for a reason. Then again, you can be Jewish and American. You can't be Mexican and American. Mexican isn't a religion.

Or mexicans theirs and do the same?

Actually, all the damn Mexican lying apologists that get their faces stuck in a camera keep proving they don't know anything about Americans. They keep insisting people living in Mexico are Americans. If that's the case, why can't the illegally invading hordes from Mexico go back down to Mexico and be American citizens down there?

Or what about the Irish, The Scotish or X...

The Irish in America DID give up their Irish traditions. Ireland was so bad for them the emigrated to the United States in hordes of millions. (Sound familiar?) But not being stupid, the Irish recognized that since America was good for them, they'd do their best to become Americans. My ancesters were pretty smart, I must say.

The Mexicans are so stupid they ran away from Mexico because it was bad for them, and now they're doing everything they can to turn the United States into the country they left. If they like the country they left so well, why don't they go back?

 

[cherokee]

Does any body know about their articles?:2wave:

No I dont..but you need to search this......

Pre-Hispanic Mexico.
90% of Mexico's people where killed by the Spanish.
Spain was not soo kind to you.........

 

[jfuh]

No I dont..but you need to search this......

Pre-Hispanic Mexico.
90% of Mexico's people where killed by the Spanish.
Spain was not soo kind to you.........

That's a real irony isn't it? This entire "latin" heritage when in fact it's actually anything but. They should speak Mayan, or Aztec. Now that, that would be something to behold.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The sad fact of the matter is that your people will never be turned down aid.

Which god do you Aztlan bastards pray to? To thy lord your god or the poly-theist satan which has brought you to the misery which you currently reside?

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of the father, through all him all things were made, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, True god from true god, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried, and on the third day he rose again in fullfillment of the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the living and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the son who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

I can never condone the government making it a crime for a priest to tend to an illegal immigrant.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

The sad fact of the matter is that your people will never be turned down aid.

Which god do you Aztlan bastards pray to? To thy lord your god or the poly-theist satan which has brought you to the misery which you currently reside?

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I can never condone the government making it a crime for a priest to tend to an illegal immigrant.

They're all Christians down there, it probably is the lord their god that forced them into poverty. She has a bad habit of doing that, seems that poor people turn more to self-delusion in their extreme condition than others. Atheism is best suited to wealthy places that can afford to face the truth.

As for priests that give aid to invaders....why should they be treated differently than anyone else? They break the law, they can go to jail. What's the big deal?

If the invaders don't want to die on the trip up, they can stay home. That works for me. Is there some flaw in the logic?