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"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen."
Translated: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
Quoted above is one of the most famous (perhaps also infamous) propositions to come out of twentieth-century philosophy, written by one of the most renowned philosophers of the twentieth century .
What do you think this proposition means?
What does it say to you?
Do you find its meaning congenial to your philosophical view of the world?
If true, what implications does this proposition hold for philosophical discussion?
nevertheless avoiding the question posed in the OP.To me it means "don't speak about something you have no knowledge of"...which I don't Angel, so I googled...:2razz:
To me it means "don't speak about something you have no knowledge of"...which I don't Angel, so I googled...:2razz:
As with any Wittgenstein quote, it’s difficult to work out exactly what he meant. All we know is that he found all his enigmatic epigrams so completely obvious that asking him for direction sometimes drove him into a rage. And, while he refused to explain much of what he said, he had a zero tolerance policy for anyone who misconstrued his words.
His stated aim in this little book (you’ll have it read inside an hour if you want to) is to take down philosophy as a discipline forever. He’s not joking about that. He really felt that if everyone took these ideas on board, philosophy would stop.
As all comprehensive philosophy should, he starts at the very start, as you can see from the opening line. But even then, he says that “this book will be understood only by someone who has himself already had the thoughts that are expressed in it”, which at that stage, of course, was only Wittgenstein.
If you doubt it, a quick skim through the renowned philosopher Bertrand Russell’s introduction will reveal that he seems to have missed the point entirely. He wasn’t alone. A tragic but understandable misreading of the Tractatus led to the establishment of one of the most influential schools of thought of the 20th century, the Vienna Circle.
The last line of the Tractatus is: “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.” The Vienna Circle misinterpreted this as Wittgenstein’s intention to nail down philosophy to only things which can be measured, catalogued, or “spoken about” in some observable way, such that discussions about [god, love, poetry etc.] were avoided as irrelevant and meaningless. Wittgenstein himself was horrified by their interpretation, as he had meant something entirely different: that [god, love and poetry etc.] were the only things worth a damn in the human animal, but that due to their profoundly subjective significance, it would be impossible for any discussion to illuminate anything about them. In fact, attempts to discuss them could only degrade our intuitive understanding of them. Which is a curious position for a philosopher to adopt (“let’s not talk about it”), but Wittgenstein was no ordinary philosopher.
Further, after stating that no one who isn’t living inside his head will understand it, Wittgenstein claims that “the second thing … this work consists is that it shows how little is achieved when these problem are solved.” In other words, even a discussion of why philosophy is worthless is worthless.
In later years (or immediately after publication, depending on your mileage), he would completely denounce this book in favour of the ideas he outlined in his Philosophical Investigations, which is more hard philosophy than the Tractatus, but doesn’t suffer for it.
In both books, his main concern is to work out what it means to “mean” something, how we put meaning into the words we throw into the air from our heads, how we take symbols and make them mean things, and how we engage with others using these symbols. As with much of Wittgenstein’s output, it sounds very complicated, but it’s not.
Much of the time, the only sensible solution he can come upon is a variation on “It is what it is,” which is a depressing sort of conclusion for any philosopher to read, but, you know, it is what it is.
https://www.quora.com/Whereof-one-c...at-did-Ludwig-Wittgenstein-mean-by-this-quote
"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen."
Translated: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
Quoted above is one of the most famous (perhaps also infamous) propositions to come out of twentieth-century philosophy, written by one of the most renowned philosophers of the twentieth century .
What do you think this proposition means?
What does it say to you?
Do you find its meaning congenial to your philosophical view of the world?
If true, what implications does this proposition hold for philosophical discussion?
"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen."
Translated: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
Quoted above is one of the most famous (perhaps also infamous) propositions to come out of twentieth-century philosophy, written by one of the most renowned philosophers of the twentieth century .
What do you think this proposition means?
What does it say to you?
Do you find its meaning congenial to your philosophical view of the world?
If true, what implications does this proposition hold for philosophical discussion?
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As you can readily see, this dictum runs counter to everything IT chat culture is about!
Your right as a general rule, but in this case I didn't want to scare anyone off.Elvira kudos. If someone wants a discussion on a quote, at least include the name the quote is accredited to.
As with any Wittgenstein quote, it’s difficult to work out exactly what he meant. All we know is that he found all his enigmatic epigrams so completely obvious that asking him for direction sometimes drove him into a rage. And, while he refused to explain much of what he said, he had a zero tolerance policy for anyone who misconstrued his words.
."Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
Calling what is ineffable "make-believe" is effing what Wittgenstein admonished against effing.So the lesson is, don't talk about make believe things because it undercuts the pretensions of those who make them up. In other words, it spoils their party and their vain attempt to set themselves above others.
Calling what is ineffable "make-believe" is effing what Wittgenstein admonished against effing.
The limitations of language.What makes something ineffable? Because some philosopher says so?
The limitations of language.
That's because your connection to language is tenuous and superficial owing to your materialistic assumptions.That makes no sense at all.
That's because you're connection to language is tenuous and superficial owing to your materialistic assumptions.
^^^^Case in point.So we use language to express that we can't use language?
^^^^Case in point.
^^^^Case 2.Now, that's ineffable. We use language to create a word that telsl us we must abritarily not use language because some people get hung up on certain imaginary things that they arbitrarily have decided fit the definition of a word that has no real practical application.
^^^^Case 2.
^^^^Case closed.^^^^^^Head case.
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