The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty Mil

[APACHERAT]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Migh

Yes, the US needlessly pissed off the Russians and rejected their open arms after 9/11. It started with Bush, who ran a very confrontational policy towards Russia, and it has not improved with Obama.

The US powers that be apparently think they can afford it, due to Russia's weakness. I just hope it won't backfire on the long run.

You're correct about 9/11 and G.W. Bush. Bush blew it.
But Bush has cajones, but they are big cajones. Putin respects those who have balls.
I think it was that G.W. Bush knew who Putin really was, X KGB and that bothered him.

Obama blew it big time. He appeased Putin, not asking anything in return and Putin looked at Obama and said America has a ***** for President. Putin doesn't respect pantwaist leaders. Putin doesn't respect Obama or like him.

When Obama nominated John Kerry as Secretary of State it only made things worse for American/Russian relationship. Even though after Kerry's short tour of duty in Vietnam, Kerry became an ally of communism expansion and backstabbed the American soldier while he was still on the battlefields of Vietnam. Kerry may have been an ally of North Vietnam but today Vietnam, China and Russia all look at John Kerry being a traitor to America. Putin doesn't respect traitors. You can never trust a traitor.

 

[German guy]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Migh

You're correct about 9/11 and G.W. Bush. Bush blew it.
But Bush has cajones, but they are big cajones. Putin respects those who have balls.
I think it was that G.W. Bush knew who Putin really was, X KGB and that bothered him.

Obama blew it big time. He appeased Putin, not asking anything in return and Putin looked at Obama and said America has a ***** for President. Putin doesn't respect pantwaist leaders. Putin doesn't respect Obama or like him.

When Obama nominated John Kerry as Secretary of State it only made things worse for American/Russian relationship. Even though after Kerry's short tour of duty in Vietnam, Kerry became an ally of communism expansion and backstabbed the American soldier while he was still on the battlefields of Vietnam. Kerry may have been an ally of North Vietnam but today Vietnam, China and Russia all look at John Kerry being a traitor to America. Putin doesn't respect traitors. You can never trust a traitor.

I don't think Obama is as clueless or as influential as you suggest he is. He has his advisors too, and just like in case of Bush, they're mostly running the show. And both camps believe in America first, just the style is different, for the most part. There was the neocon experiment in Iraq, but soon after the failure had become evident, Bush relied on the same kind of realists Obama relies on now. As for style ... Bush loved grandstanding to impress the less sophisticated Americans and big gestures ("mission accomplished" with stuffed-out trouser), while Obama prefers paying lip service to diplomacy and cooperation. Both styles have their merits, but Obama's are less popular inside America.

 

[Coin]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Well, I think I disagree with you on Hitler and that period in Germany's history.

I think Hitler and the Nazi time was the worst event that ever happened to Germany (not looking at Germany's victims for a moment). I think Hitler's rule in Germany was at least as bad as Stalin's rule in the Soviet Union, if not worse. It was just the different side of the same totalitarist coin. And what makes it worse in case of Germany is the fact that Germany used to be a very advanced, humanist country that should have known better than to embrace such an narcissistic brute.

Why was Hitler's rule the worst that ever happened to Germany? Because before Hitler, we were the country of poets and thinkers. And of scientists, maybe the most advanced country. The 20st century could easily have become a German century, and by that I don't mean a century dominated by German military power, but a century dominated by German culture and civilization. We could have been cultural leaders by mere good example.

But Hitler played it all away. He singled out of of the most productive and creative parts of the German people (the German Jews, who felt German and considered themselves brave German citizens for the most part, like Einstein, Freud, and dozens of others), and then even suffocated the rest of German creativity by enforcing conformity and militarism. Thanks to Hitler starting and accordingly losing the war, we're now haunted by one of the worst crimes ever committed in the history of mankind, if not the worst: The murder on millions of innocent people. Hitler totally destroyed the cultural and science life in Germany for decades to come.

If Hitler had not come to power, and the republic had persisted for a few years more, maybe the worst of the economic crisis would have been behind us and we could have reclaimed a revision of the Versailles Treaty (which was not at all accepted 1919-1933), and with it, again a dominating position in the world. Not militarily, mind you, as bullies, but as good example for scientific and artistic creativity and industriousness. Everybody would have loved to be like us, and it would have been very attractive to join our culture (which I don't think is genetic).

Today's German constitution is the best form of government Germany ever had. We're a social and democratic republic now. We finally live up to the ideals we always envisioned, to freedom, unity and industriousness. That we're only second fiddle to Americans is a price we have to pay, so is the guilt due to the total break with civilized culture we did by murdering millions of innocent people. That's a burden we have to carry, because we brought it on ourselves. But still, Germans are materially as well off as never before, and we're in a comfortable situation. Some victors over Germany in WW2 are worse off.

Or, to say it in the words of one of the greatest German poets, Heinrich Heine (in the first half of the 19th century), not literally, but the gist of it: Only when Germany becomes the freest of all countries, it will win the hearts of the world. It's not our military that makes us great, or our pride, but our good example and our freedom. And I think we're closer to that goal than ever before.

After WWI Germany was a total caos.
Germans were fighting Germans.
Economy was a disaster. What did it brought to Germans??

Jews were 2 % of Germany population and they controlled 50% of media, theatre, film, press, literature, art, government, culture, finance and economy.
Jews held the 1st theatre of homosexual and sexual perverse in Germany.
Richs were getting richer and poor people more and more poor. There was a huge unemployment.
In 1920, Berlin was the sex capital of EU.
You could find anything there, lesbians, homosexuals, They offer any kind of pervasions. There was no sex appetite that could not be satisfied on that city.
There were mother and daughter team doing prostitution on street because of low life due to economic state.
Whole city was in hand of leftist ideas, in media, literature, politics. There was no morale anymore, no pride.
People were under no control. Literature was focused on porn books.
From all around the world every artist, writer, with homosexual leanings was drowned in Berlin.
Every drug, morfine, cocaine, opium could be found even on pharmacy.
This was the culture side.

________________________________________________________________________________________
As for the jewish story.

I do not believe that Nazi hate was as it was described by history.
If so, Hitler's wouldn't sign the The Haavara Transfer Agreement. But would execute them when he had them there inside his borders.
As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-41.
Around 150’000 with jewish blood would eventually fight for the armed forces of the Third Reich.
Emil Maurice Best friend of Hitler and his personal driver was jewish.
20 jews won Germany’s highest military honour, The Knight’s cross.
German people were with jewish even during Nazi regime.

____________________________________________________________________________
De-Nazification was reached by conffension tortures.

With no photo, video footage or even a single autopsy report of gassed victim we have had to trust Soviets and the testimonies of former inmates, none of whom were cross-examined at Nuremberg.
There was no single investigation for eastern SU’s concentration camps. In 1993 British recognized with law that all war crimes during WW2 were made only by Germans.

In Canada 1988, Ernst Zundel faced charges for holocaust denial in a second trial. He hired American Frederick A Leuchter, a court-certified expert in gas execution technology. After conducting experiments at Auschwits, on his return he published his findings in the “Leuchter Report”
The Soviet massacre of Polish officers blamed on Germans.
Auschwitz – in 1945 there were facted as around 300’000 dead by Polish trial.
Allies by SU voice announced 1948 – 4 million
In 1989 – 1.5 million
They couldn’t never fact the real number

Not to mention the 6 millions missing jewish story. Or the humans used for soap story, which was the most epic propaganda.

David Cole disappeared after receiving several death threats by Jewish extremists.
In Canada, Ernt Zundel was convicted and sentenced to a 9 month jail term after the court dismissed Leuchter’s testimony.
Freud Leuchter asked for a scientific investigation into the Holocaust.
It never happened. Instead he was targeted by Jewish extremists and his career ruined.
Notable political prisoners:
1998 Jurgen Graf, Swiss court – 15 month prison
1998 – Gerhard Forster, Swiss court 12 month prison
2000 Gaston-Armand Amaudruz, Swiss court 1 year prison
2006 David Irving, Austrian court 1 year prison
2006 Germar Rudolf, German court – 2.5 year prison
2007 Ernst Zundel, German court 5 years prison
2008 Wolfgang Frohlich, Austrian court 6 year prison
Sylvia Stolz, German court 3.5 year
2009 Horst Mahler, German court 5 year
2009 Dirk Zimmerman, German court 9 months
2009 Bishop Richard Williamson interview

AND THE FRESH ONE OF 2013 - Parents who named children 'Adolf Hitler' and 'Aryan Nation' won't receive custody of newborn son Hons | Mail Online

De-Nazification continues...

When Germany was marching to the east, they were always welcomed by each countries's simple people because they saw them as their hope to save them from communism regime. Especially in Ukraine. Hitler was the most loved until the war end. And he did not reached it by fear and torture like communists did on east. He always valued his german people. Mass rape was never an evidence from Nazi. The Nazi announce a military law that all rapes by Nazi soldiers would be punished by death penalty. While SU encouraged the mass murders, rapes, torture on their troops by orders and songs.


In conclusion, the whole story is a mess which will be never open.
But at least we should manage to treat all evidence and people on equal statements.
I'm not saying Hitler was the best, but from 4 bad monsters, he was the less evil.

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Migh

I don't think Obama is as clueless or as influential as you suggest he is. He has his advisor's too, and just like in case of Bush, they're mostly running the show. And both camps believe in America first, just the style is different, for the most part. There was the neocon experiment in Iraq, but soon after the failure had become evident, Bush relied on the same kind of realists Obama relies on now. As for style ... Bush loved grandstanding to impress the less sophisticated Americans and big gestures ("mission accomplished" with stuffed-out trouser), while Obama prefers paying lip service to diplomacy and cooperation. Both styles have their merits, but Obama's are less popular inside America.

The problem with Obama, he has surrounded himself with second rate people. His advisors like Valeria Jarret and his entire cabinet are all second rate. Any competent military advisors to Obama are all "Yes Men", very dangerous to have around during war time.

There have only been two competent cabinet memebers during the Obama administration but both were well known "yes men", Gates and Pannetta. Right now after four years as Cn'C Obama has mostly "yes men" in place in the higher commands of our military. Those who weren't "yes men" or opposed Obama's social engineering of the U.S. military have been removed from their commands, forced in to early retirement or court martialed for lost of confidence.

 

[German guy]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

After WWI Germany was a total caos.
Germans were fighting Germans.
Economy was a disaster. What did it brought to Germans??

Jews were 2 % of Germany population and they controlled 50% of media, theatre, film, press, literature, art, government, culture, finance and economy.
Jews held the 1st theatre of homosexual and sexual perverse in Germany.
Richs were getting richer and poor people more and more poor. There was a huge unemployment.
In 1920, Berlin was the sex capital of EU.
You could find anything there, lesbians, homosexuals, They offer any kind of pervasions. There was no sex appetite that could not be satisfied on that city.
There were mother and daughter team doing prostitution on street because of low life due to economic state.
Whole city was in hand of leftist ideas, in media, literature, politics. There was no morale anymore, no pride.
People were under no control. Literature was focused on porn books.
From all around the world every artist, writer, with homosexual leanings was drowned in Berlin.
Every drug, morfine, cocaine, opium could be found even on pharmacy.
This was the culture side.

________________________________________________________________________________________
As for the jewish story.

I do not believe that Nazi hate was as it was described by history.
If so, Hitler's wouldn't sign the The Haavara Transfer Agreement. But would execute them when he had them there inside his borders.
As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-41.
Around 150’000 with jewish blood would eventually fight for the armed forces of the Third Reich.
Emil Maurice Best friend of Hitler and his personal driver was jewish.
20 jews won Germany’s highest military honour, The Knight’s cross.
German people were with jewish even during Nazi regime.

____________________________________________________________________________
De-Nazification was reached by conffension tortures.

With no photo, video footage or even a single autopsy report of gassed victim we have had to trust Soviets and the testimonies of former inmates, none of whom were cross-examined at Nuremberg.
There was no single investigation for eastern SU’s concentration camps. In 1993 British recognized with law that all war crimes during WW2 were made only by Germans.

In Canada 1988, Ernst Zundel faced charges for holocaust denial in a second trial. He hired American Frederick A Leuchter, a court-certified expert in gas execution technology. After conducting experiments at Auschwits, on his return he published his findings in the “Leuchter Report”
The Soviet massacre of Polish officers blamed on Germans.
Auschwitz – in 1945 there were facted as around 300’000 dead by Polish trial.
Allies by SU voice announced 1948 – 4 million
In 1989 – 1.5 million
They couldn’t never fact the real number

Not to mention the 6 millions missing jewish story. Or the humans used for soap story, which was the most epic propaganda.

David Cole disappeared after receiving several death threats by Jewish extremists.
In Canada, Ernt Zundel was convicted and sentenced to a 9 month jail term after the court dismissed Leuchter’s testimony.
Freud Leuchter asked for a scientific investigation into the Holocaust.
It never happened. Instead he was targeted by Jewish extremists and his career ruined.
Notable political prisoners:
1998 Jurgen Graf, Swiss court – 15 month prison
1998 – Gerhard Forster, Swiss court 12 month prison
2000 Gaston-Armand Amaudruz, Swiss court 1 year prison
2006 David Irving, Austrian court 1 year prison
2006 Germar Rudolf, German court – 2.5 year prison
2007 Ernst Zundel, German court 5 years prison
2008 Wolfgang Frohlich, Austrian court 6 year prison
Sylvia Stolz, German court 3.5 year
2009 Horst Mahler, German court 5 year
2009 Dirk Zimmerman, German court 9 months
2009 Bishop Richard Williamson interview

AND THE FRESH ONE OF 2013 - Parents who named children 'Adolf Hitler' and 'Aryan Nation' won't receive custody of newborn son Hons | Mail Online

De-Nazification continues...

When Germany was marching to the east, they were always welcomed by each countries's simple people because they saw them as their hope to save them from communism regime. Especially in Ukraine. Hitler was the most loved until the war end. And he did not reached it by fear and torture like communists did on east. He always valued his german people. Mass rape was never an evidence from Nazi. The Nazi announce a military law that all rapes by Nazi soldiers would be punished by death penalty. While SU encouraged the mass murders, rapes, torture on their troops by orders and songs.


In conclusion, the whole story is a mess which will be never open.
But at least we should manage to treat all evidence and people on equal statements.
I'm not saying Hitler was the best, but from 4 bad monsters, he was the less evil.

I'm not going to argue about revisionism with you here, but it is proven fact that millions of Jews (the common number is 6 million, more conservative estimates assume 4.8 million -- not that it makes a difference) Jews were murdered by Germans. Believe that or not. But even you can't deny that Hitler and his regime brutalized the German people, by abolishing the constitution and democracy and replacing it with a totalitarian police state, imprisoning everybody who disagreed with this government. Most important scientists and artists were driven out of Germany. Even little sons were indoctrinated in schools and Hitler Youth so they would snipe and betray their own fathers, if they caught them making a joke about the government.

In short, genocide and war aside, it was the most barbaric time the German people ever had to endure.

And no, what you say about the Weimar time is a grotesque exaggeration at best. Some of the most important scientific achievements of the 20st century, as well as some of the finest pieces of German literature were produced in that time.

It seems you have a severe problem with non-conformism and freedom, just like that fascist Russian guy, and you haven't kind of understood yet what freedom is about. Not that I can blame you. Your country is a ****hole and has always been. You never had freedom until very recently. But if your attitude is anyhow representative for Albania in general, I think it was a mistake to allow you into NATO and think it would be better if we let your country rot and become prey for the Serbians, who, based on all I know, are generally a good match for your mindset, spiritually and ideologically.

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

After WWI Germany was a total caos.
Germans were fighting Germans.
Economy was a disaster. What did it brought to Germans??

Jews were 2 % of Germany population and they controlled 50% of media, theatre, film, press, literature, art, government, culture, finance and economy.
Jews held the 1st theatre of homosexual and sexual perverse in Germany.
Richs were getting richer and poor people more and more poor. There was a huge unemployment.
In 1920, Berlin was the sex capital of EU.
You could find anything there, lesbians, homosexuals, They offer any kind of pervasions. There was no sex appetite that could not be satisfied on that city.
There were mother and daughter team doing prostitution on street because of low life due to economic state.
Whole city was in hand of leftist ideas, in media, literature, politics. There was no morale anymore, no pride.
People were under no control. Literature was focused on porn books.
From all around the world every artist, writer, with homosexual leanings was drowned in Berlin.
Every drug, morfine, cocaine, opium could be found even on pharmacy.
This was the culture side.
.

Sounds more like Detroit or the South Side of Chicago or L.A. Obama's America.

 

[Coin]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

I'm not going to argue about revisionism with you here, but it is proven fact that millions of Jews (the common number is 6 million, more conservative estimates assume 4.8 million -- not that it makes a difference) Jews were murdered by Germans. Believe that or not. But even you can't deny that Hitler and his regime brutalized the German people, by abolishing the constitution and democracy and replacing it with a totalitarian police state, imprisoning everybody who disagreed with this government. Most important scientists and artists were driven out of Germany. Even little sons were indoctrinated in schools and Hitler Youth so they would snipe and betray their own fathers, if they caught them making a joke about the government.

In short, genocide and war aside, it was the most barbaric time the German people ever had to endure.

And no, what you say about the Weimar time is a grotesque exaggeration at best. Some of the most important scientific achievements of the 20st century, as well as some of the finest pieces of German literature were produced in that time.

It seems you have a severe problem with non-conformism and freedom, just like that fascist Russian guy, and you haven't kind of understood yet what freedom is about. Not that I can blame you. Your country is a ****hole and has always been. You never had freedom until very recently. But if your attitude is anyhow representative for Albania in general, I think it was a mistake to allow you into NATO and think it would be better if we let your country rot and become prey for the Serbians, who, based on all I know, are generally a good match for your mindset, spiritually and ideologically.

Not only in Albania but in Balcan generally, all the mess was due to the Versaille treaty.
They gave Kosovo to Serbia. Considerable lands are now part of Montegero (where i am from, although I was born and live in Albania), 1/2 of Macedonia was taken from Albania (1/2 of population and 1/2 of parliament deputes are albanians. Greece claim that Macedonia belong to them. An important part from Albania was given to Greece.
Balcan was a total mess and will always be. The borders were divided irrevocably by so-called strong powers.

Ye, Albania was a **** country during communism regime. It has the worse regime a communism country ever had. Even worse than Russia itself.
1 on 3 people were official spies. All borders were closed. There was no connection with outside world. Albanians were spying albanians, father the son, son the father, brother the brother.
In 1989 we were the poorest country on the world while communist government were delivering and selling during all the regime era, 90% of the productivity outside country. A family could take only 1 litter of milk per month and so on with any kind of food. The meat was a luxurie. Thnx to that regime today albanians have no trust on each others, husband and wives cheat each others and the families get destroyed.
The communism was the worse disease on this earth.

And the capitalism did not brought better tools for the people. People now days are getting brain washed. People get lied and still they vote the same kind of people. People cheat own families. Soldiers all around the Europe are sent to wars not for cause but for personal ambitions of the leaders.
There is no morale now days, no pride.
Most of people eat just because they have to live not because they have to live for something. They fight for nothing. Everyone will go through the next world by the same grave and no one will get anything with themselves, no money, no wealth, no clothes. But the pride is something that even the death can't take from our name.

A worse truth is always better than a good lie.

 

[German guy]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Not only in Albania but in Balcan generally, all the mess was due to the Versaille treaty.
They gave Kosovo to Serbia. Considerable lands are now part of Montegero (where i am from, although I was born and live in Albania), 1/2 of Macedonia was taken from Albania (1/2 of population and 1/2 of parliament deputes are albanians. Greece claim that Macedonia belong to them. An important part from Albania was given to Greece.
Balcan was a total mess and will always be. The borders were divided irrevocably by so-called strong powers.

Ye, Albania was a **** country during communism regime. It has the worse regime a communism country ever had. Even worse than Russia itself.
1 on 3 people were official spies. All borders were closed. There was no connection with outside world. Albanians were spying albanians, father the son, son the father, brother the brother.
In 1989 we were the poorest country on the world while communist government were delivering and selling during all the regime era, 90% of the productivity outside country. A family could take only 1 litter of milk per month and so on with any kind of food. The meat was a luxurie. Thnx to that regime today albanians have no trust on each others, husband and wives cheat each others and the families get destroyed.
The communism was the worse disease on this earth.

And the capitalism did not brought better tools for the people. People now days are getting brain washed. People get lied and still they vote the same kind of people. People cheat own families. Soldiers all around the Europe are sent to wars not for cause but for personal ambitions of the leaders.
There is no morale now days, no pride.
Most of people eat just because they have to live not because they have to live for something. They fight for nothing. Everyone will go through the next world by the same grave and no one will get anything with themselves, no money, no wealth, no clothes. But the pride is something that even the death can't take from our name.

A worse truth is always better than a good lie.

Sorry to hear about the conditions in Albania... but hey, you should really not lose hope and refuse to mistake cynicism for cleverness, calling everybody with values (such as most Americans) "naive". Maybe it would be naive in Albania today, but it's not naive in America or in Germany (well, at least not up to a certain extent).

And I guess the Nazis once promised Albania an exit out of the communist mess. Sure you kind of sympathize with them. But make no mistake. They'd have screwed you as much as the commies did, if not more, had they been given enough time. Had they won the war, your Balkan people would probably have become right the next "inferior race" after the Jews for them. First useful idiots against the Serbians, then cannon fodder, then slaves and finally gassing material.

I really hope the conditions in your country will improve with time. At least enough to regain some optimism, that allows you to no longer consider morals in politics naive.

 

[Coin]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Sorry to hear about the conditions in Albania... but hey, you should really not lose hope and refuse to mistake cynicism for cleverness, calling everybody with values (such as most Americans) "naive". Maybe it would be naive in Albania today, but it's not naive in America or in Germany (well, at least not up to a certain extent).

And I guess the Nazis once promised Albania an exit out of the communist mess. Sure you kind of sympathize with them. But make no mistake. They'd have screwed you as much as the commies did, if not more, had they been given enough time. Had they won the war, your Balkan people would probably have become right the next "inferior race" after the Jews for them. First useful idiots against the Serbians, then cannon fodder, then slaves and finally gassing material.

I really hope the conditions in your country will improve with time. At least enough to regain some optimism, that allows you to no longer consider morals in politics naive.

No, no dude.
I really admire the Germany. I love that country. I like how people work and live there, their discipline and pride.
The same goes for USA. I have lot of families in USA. (just that sometimes I don't like US's +West's behavior with the rest of the world. (Libya's case was a good example for me)

Btw just for info, the Nazi were in Albania just for a pass through the east. Albanians never fight them, only partisan communists. Even the italians. They gave a lot to our country and our economy on that time.

However on speech i look like an extreme nationalist i am not so irl. I love to sit down with simple and poor people.
Now in Albania we have the democracy, but i do not call it so.
you know why??
We have 2 parties which always ruled each by estimated 8 years since 1990.
Due to my father's positions into politics i was able to see politicians' life from both sides, from close.
On the TV they seems to be most hatred persons with each other (which divided even the albanian people in 2 sides). Meanwhile irl they are more than brothers. + they are all family members of communists, even now in 2013.
In many attempts to implement dictatorship during tranzition (which for me still continues), USA and West intervened to place the balance. Thnx to them, but honestly, I'd loved to see my people to overthrown these politicians who are ruling since 1990 and never change. The same faces. They just change the side only every 8 years. I don't care even if we hang them. If others help us keeping balance, we will never learn how to achieve something own.

There is a huge distance between politicians and simple people today. And i'm sure this is not only in my country.

 

[German guy]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

No, no dude.
I really admire the Germany. I love that country. I like how people work and live there, their discipline and pride.
The same goes for USA. I have lot of families in USA. (just that sometimes I don't like US's +West's behavior with the rest of the world. (Libya's case was a good example for me)

Btw just for info, the Nazi were in Albania just for a pass through the east. Albanians never fight them, only partisan communists. Even the italians. They gave a lot to our country and our economy on that time.

However on speech i look like an extreme nationalist i am not so irl. I love to sit down with simple and poor people.
Now in Albania we have the democracy, but i do not call it so.
you know why??
We have 2 parties which always ruled each by estimated 8 years since 1990.
Due to my father's positions into politics i was able to see politicians' life from both sides, from close.
On the TV they seems to be most hatred persons with each other (which divided even the albanian people in 2 sides). Meanwhile irl they are more than brothers. + they are all family members of communists, even now in 2013.
In many attempts to implement dictatorship during tranzition (which for me still continues), USA and West intervened to place the balance. Thnx to them, but honestly, I'd loved to see my people to overthrown these politicians who are ruling since 1990 and never change. The same faces. They just change the side only every 8 years. I don't care even if we hang them. If others help us keeping balance, we will never learn how to achieve something own.

There is a huge distance between politicians and simple people today. And i'm sure this is not only in my country.

That's interesting, and I think I can relate to it to some extent, although I think the situation is by far not as bad in Germany. But here too, we had some problems accepting the new free system at first. I noticed that when speaking with old people in a retirement home I worked in (West), or with some people in the east whose situation has deteriorated since 1990 (the "losers of unification").

I think there is one thing one should keep in mind: Using a good analogy some American journalist wrote in a German paper, democracy is not a car with seats and paintings and gimmicks and all, but democracy is just the carriage. It's the people that decides the rest every time anew -- which kind of gimmicks, which color and so on. Democracy does not suddenly make a bad society good, it does not instill values into a cynic society, it cannot make money grow on trees. A democratic system will reflect just the people it represents, and in a democracy, the people gets just the leaders it deserves. When the people is immoral and corrupt, so will be your leaders. That doesn't mean the system is wrong.

In Germany, many older people used to Nazi or communist dictatorship seem to believe these shortcomings are due to democracy. They grew up with Nazis or commies claiming that politics will eventually bring them heaven on earth. Now they are suffering from "post-authoritarian phantom pain", as I call it: They still always look up to the government, expecting it to fix everything, failing to understand that it's not the job of government to bring heaven on earth, failing to understand that it's up to the people, you and me, to get up and improve society. And when democratic government doesn't miraculously bring heaven on earth (as once the Nazis and commies promised), they take that as proof that democracy and freedom is a bad system. Totally missing the point. Democracy doesn't promise heaven on earth. It just promises an open debate about the problems and an open competition among people claiming they can improve it, and if that's just a little.

In democracy, you got a government from the people by the people. How can you expect your leaders to be more moral and less corrupt than you are, or most of your neighbors are? And hey, you can participate. If you have convincing, constructive ideas how to do it better than the leaders you hate -- go ahead, join a party or run for an office! If your ideas are better than the ideas of those politicians you hate, it shouldn't be difficult to convince enough people to win the election. You can't do it better or you don't know how to do that? Then shut up and stop hating your leaders.

Another paradox I noticed is that many of these "post-authoritarians" keep bashing democracy, because there is allegedly more violence, corruption and scandals now than under Nazi or commie rule -- and every scandal covered in the press is another confirmation for them. They fail to see that it's exactly the opposite: There was much more crime, injustice and corruption under Nazi and commie rule, the only difference in democracy is that for a change, independent investigators, journalists and whistleblowers discover these crimes! The Nazis and commies just pushed all that under the rug, pretending these problems don't exist, but democracy is calling it out to the public. So they have the weird, paradox impression there are more scandals, just because more scandals are exposed and those reponsible brought to justice.

Of course I don't know how much of this is the case in Albania too. But if you recognize some of it, try to be optimistic. It's not the system that's wrong. Probably just the commies destroyed even more than is obvious, like the entire mindset and morals of the people... and to heal that takes more than 23 years.

 

[Tovarish]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

I liked your posting, not necessarily because I agree with everything you say, but because I appreciate your openness and honesty.

I'll let you know my view: I make a difference between the Russian culture and Russian government and current society. I am a great admirer of Russian culture. Russian culture is very deep, you had amazing composers, from Rimski-Korsakov over Tchaikovski to Prokoviev and Stravinski, many important Russian scientists and I think Russian classic literature is my favorite next to German literature (unfortunately, I rely on translations, as I don't speak Russian). I'm especially fond of Dostoyevsky and I'm currently reading "Oblomov" by Goncharov, which I enjoy very much (a satire only matched by the American movie "The Big Lebovski", IMO). Also, I sometimes wonder if the "useless person" today appears in Germany very often, maybe I am one myself.

That said, I don't think Russian society is in a very good state today. It's corrupt. Maybe Moscow and St. Petersburg are florishing, but everything else is riddled by massive corruption, the mafia is usually more powerful than everybody else and the line between mafia and government/police is blurry. Then, Russia has a massive alcoholism problem, more than any other "white" country. And then, because of centuries of abuse by the government and authoritarianism, most Russians have become cynic. They don't believe in anything, are completely pessimistic and reject any moral claim anybody advances, because you're used the mighty and powerful will just play games with you. That's why you fail to see that at least much of the Western moralism is genuine. You simply can't believe any government will ever do anything else than abusing morals as excuses for power games. Also, Russia is suffering from the same illnesses the West is suffering from: You have a massive demographic problem, as fewer and fewer children are born (even less than in Germany or Poland), after losing more than half of the Soviet population to the independence of these countries. Then, you lose even more to alcoholism.

At the same time, Russians are once again falling for it. Your government has needlessly declared the USA/the West/NATO an enemy. Your government uses massive propaganda to shift the blame the scapegoats: The USA, the gays, the Jews, the Muslims. And Russians, in absence of even basic humanist and enlightened values (this lack is a heritage of 70 years of totalitarianism), and totally high on the substitute drug of nationalism, buy it. Russia today reminds me very much of Germany in the 1930s, spiritually and intellectually. You are not used to freedom and rule of the masses, maybe not mature enough for it (no big deal, it took Germany more than 30 years of occupation to develop a somewhat functioning civil society), and you compensate your rather poor situation with the substitute of extreme nationalism.

Putin? He certainly knows what kind of people he's dealing with, I give him that. He masterly plays with the sentiments and prejudices of the people, and is not shy of abusing them for his ends. Maybe he's even the best Russia can hope for, in its current situation, given that no President can govern without paying tribute to the "state within the state" (the old communist rope teams within the apparatus) and to the mafia structures. Maybe no other President could do much more than he does, and he at least warrants stability and some economic improvement. Although his track record on human rights and democratic standards is totally atrocious by the yardsticks of the developed world (mostly the West).

And Germany? Yes, I agree, Germany is not independent. And I think that's good. We fare better inside the American realm than we ever did before, both economically and ideologically. There is a very interesting German political theorist, Herfried Münkler, who wrote a lot about the merits of imperialism as a form of order. America is an empire, and we are within its sphere of influence, just like ancient Greece was within Rome's sphere of influence. And it grants us benefits unheard of before.

Americans are good people. You think they are naive. I think you are way too cynic, for historical reasons. They and I have values. And these values at least somewhat impact our governments' policies. Our governments are less bloodthirsty and hostile than other governments in the past, because they are held responsible by a very idealistic populace. And America's military capacity is remarkeable. Maybe you are right and Russia's is still very good; but America can still win any conventional war against any other country in a few weeks. The only problem for America are asymmetric wars against reckless guerilla fighters and terrorists; they abuse our "post-heroic" mindset (again look for Winkler for this term he coined; we in the West are not really willing to sacrifice our lives, which I think is a sign of humanist progress, not of decadent weakness, as cynics might say).

But I agree Germany's military condition is pitiful. If the Americans ever decided to abandon us, or are in a situation they can't help us, we are screwed. Russia has ca. 40 tank divisions ready within a few weeks, Germany only 1 to 2. And we have no nukes. If Russia ever decided to attack us, and America was in no position to help, we'd probably lose. But that's a rather extreme situation. Much would have to change until this becomes a possibility. But hey, who knows? Maybe in 30 or 40 years? What if world economy based on the $US collapses?

That said, it makes me suspicious that Russia is rearming and again declaring NATO the enemy of Russia. You'd have a much better life and society, if you finally accepted that you're a "white" country too. And if you left the 19th century mindset regarding security policy. I already said Russia today reminds me of 30s Germany. You too miss your status as world power. You face the same choice today Germany was facing back then. We decided the wrong way, which was a catastrophe for Germany, for Europe and for the entire world. We should have embraced our neighbors and the Western World back then. You should do the same. Just a friendly advice.

1) Have you been to Russia? You're faced with corruption in Russia? Where did the nonsense about the biggest consumption of alcohol among white countries, in Russia? Top 10: Drinking Countries - AskMen Corruption will not even discuss. Tired. How long have I been in Russia and wherever I traveled to Russia - never faced corruption. You are so wrong about Russia - I don't even know how to explain it to you. It is best come to Russia and see Russia your own eyes. Although - if two people look out in one window, one - sees the rain and mud, the other sees the fresh grass and rainbow. I'm tired of refuting the false stereotypes about Russia. You Come to Russia - and See . Russia is the freest country in the world. Even gay men are out there is safe. Although the Russian people do not like them. Sin. Interestingly, as in Germany will behave police, if a group aggressive of people will be propagandize bestiality without permission of the meeting? Which would be mulct?
As for the historical tyrants - of Friedrichs and Wilhelms not been more loyal than the Russian tsars. In general, the myths about brutality of Russian tsar - complete nonsense. For example (as they say in the west - the most cruel tsar) Ivan the Terrible. The tyranny of Ivan IV - sophomoric compared with a European terror. Victims of Ivan the Terrible, equal to 4-5 thousand for all of his reign. Some historians say about 7-8 thousands. Take, for St. Bartholomew's Day in France, when Catholics to killed 30,000 Huguenots. Only on marriage Henry of Navarre and Margot, were slaughtered 2000 Huguenots. Compare - 4-8 thousand and 30 thousand. The entire period - and one day. Who tyrant?
2) Now America. America has not won a single war. America can achieve a temporary superiority and everything. America is wreaking chaos all over the world (see Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, ..... Iraq.) American aggression against Iraq, has brought nothing but chaos, death, destruction of the economy. Now Americans do not know how to get out of Iraq. Afghanistan - the same thing. And so the entire list. By the way, the only country in the world that can transform the U.S. into a glass desert - Russia (despite its complexity)
3) I did not know that the Germans like to live under occupation. So tolerance killed the German spirit. Sorry. I naively thought that the words of Cuban poet "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees" or words of Mexican revolutionary "Better to die in battle than the life of a slave," the Germans are not exchanged for a "gay parade" and a piece of "Speck".
Incidentally, the genius philosophy German of Friedrich Nietzsche wrote (priblezitelno, write from memory) - "The enemy must be such that respect him and hate,- and not must be such that to despise him."

P.S. - I highly recommend reading Russian writer Mikhail Bulgakov. Especially the "Master and Margarita."

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

2012 Corruption Perceptions Index -- Results and Interactive Map

Russia:
Rank 133
Score 28

Note: A country or territory’s score indicates the perceived level of public sector corruption on a scale of 0 - 100, where 0 means that a country is perceived as highly corrupt and 100 means it is perceived as very clean

 

[Tovarish]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

2012 Corruption Perceptions Index -- Results and Interactive Map

Russia:
Rank 133
Score 28

Note: A country or territory’s score indicates the perceived level of public sector corruption on a scale of 0 - 100, where 0 means that a country is perceived as highly corrupt and 100 means it is perceived as very clean

It is better to give a link to an article about "chemical weapons Saddam Hussein." By the way because of which he was hanged.

Agree, funny look at map showing the color of the countries with low corruption, where former President is being investigated for corruption. For example - France. Investigations over Sarkozy corruption begins - Europe - Al Jazeera English And that's what people think (not elves) about the U.S. Government and corruption. Is the U.S. government corrupt? | Debate.org So transparency international - corrupt whores.
Russian proverb - do not have to swear on the mirror if your face is crooked

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

So transparency international - corrupt whores. Russian proverb - do not have to swear on the mirror if your face is crooked

Another Russian proverb: A fools tongue runs before his feet

Corruption in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Tovarish]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Another Russian proverb: A fools tongue runs before his feet

Corruption in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* laughs * Well, if wikipedia says so ....

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

* laughs * Well, if wikipedia says so ....

Corruption is a centuries old plague of Russia and is ingrained in its language and culture. I would suggest you read the satire of the Russian dramatist Nikolai Gogol (1809-1852) whose dark humor on corruption led to his forced exile.

To quote another appropriate proverb - хорошо смеется тот кто смеется последний

 

[Fallenangel]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

a. The Subs are good.

b. You need to read more updated news:PressTV - Russian Navy to receive 24 submarines, 54 warships by 2020, defense minister says
Russia plans to build eight Borei class submarines by 2020. The Borei class is a class of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine produced by Russia and operated by the Russian Navy. The class is intended to replace the Delta III, Delta IV, and Typhoon classes now in the Russian Navy service and form the core of its nuclear deterrence strategy.

c. The warships are of smaller "caliber" e.g corvettes and frigates.

d. Can't comment on the anti-missile system, I'm not an expert on those.

Fallen.

 

[German guy]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Well, my impression is that you are an authoritarian who doesn't have the slightest idea what enlightened values and freedom are, someone who thinks pride is worth more than the value of human life (probably because your life is so ****ty that all you have is your pride), and you live in a fantasy dream world regarding your own country. As I said, reminds me very much of the German mindset in the 1930s.

To address a few points:

1) Have you been to Russia? You're faced with corruption in Russia? Where did the nonsense about the biggest consumption of alcohol among white countries, in Russia? Top 10: Drinking Countries - AskMen Corruption will not even discuss. Tired. How long have I been in Russia and wherever I traveled to Russia - never faced corruption. You are so wrong about Russia - I don't even know how to explain it to you. It is best come to Russia and see Russia your own eyes. Although - if two people look out in one window, one - sees the rain and mud, the other sees the fresh grass and rainbow. I'm tired of refuting the false stereotypes about Russia. You Come to Russia - and See .

I base my impression on about a dozen Russian friends and acquaintances and their story about their home country. Are you calling them liars?

That, and virtually every report I ever come across. Oh, and there is this poster on this forum, Fallenangel is his name I believe, who used to live in Russia and more or less confirms the corruption situation.

Is it maybe possible that you're looking through very rosy glasses, as you are totally nationalistic and it would be too painful for you to look at your country objectively? Are you maybe fooled by the government propaganda in your controlled media? Or maybe you've never seen a better country to know that the situation could be much better?

Russian corruption is legendary these days. A while back, when you said "Italy", people would immediately think "mafia". Today, Russia has taken that place internationally. Vodka and mafia, that's the two things today's Russia is famous for.

Russia is the freest country in the world. Even gay men are out there is safe. Although the Russian people do not like them. Sin. Interestingly, as in Germany will behave police, if a group aggressive of people will be propagandize bestiality without permission of the meeting? Which would be mulct?

Pfffff. I think this sequence of sentences speaks for itself and doesn't require any reply.

By the way, how comes that the Russian regime murders independent journalists who criticize the government, closes independent tv stations and newspapers, and arrests every rich businessman who doesn't play along with the government? If that's freedom, I don't want to know what tyranny is.

As for the historical tyrants - of Friedrichs and Wilhelms not been more loyal than the Russian tsars. In general, the myths about brutality of Russian tsar - complete nonsense. For example (as they say in the west - the most cruel tsar) Ivan the Terrible. The tyranny of Ivan IV - sophomoric compared with a European terror. Victims of Ivan the Terrible, equal to 4-5 thousand for all of his reign. Some historians say about 7-8 thousands. Take, for St. Bartholomew's Day in France, when Catholics to killed 30,000 Huguenots. Only on marriage Henry of Navarre and Margot, were slaughtered 2000 Huguenots. Compare - 4-8 thousand and 30 thousand. The entire period - and one day. Who tyrant?

Yeah, and this example of you totally missing the point is exactly what I mean. The problem about absolutist monarchy and feudalism is not that certain monarchs are evil. The problem is that such a system in general is a system that enslaves the entire population.

2) Now America. America has not won a single war. America can achieve a temporary superiority and everything. America is wreaking chaos all over the world (see Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, ..... Iraq.) American aggression against Iraq, has brought nothing but chaos, death, destruction of the economy. Now Americans do not know how to get out of Iraq. Afghanistan - the same thing. And so the entire list. By the way, the only country in the world that can transform the U.S. into a glass desert - Russia (despite its complexity)

America spends more money on their military than ALL other countries on this planet combined. It has bases and military presence in more than 100 countries. It can interveene in any random place on this planet within a few days, if they wanted so. Even if they are not necessarily able to pacify regions such as Afghanistan on the long run ... but as I remember, the Russian's weren't exactly successful doing that either.

3) I did not know that the Germans like to live under occupation. So tolerance killed the German spirit. Sorry. I naively thought that the words of Cuban poet "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees" or words of Mexican revolutionary "Better to die in battle than the life of a slave," the Germans are not exchanged for a "gay parade" and a piece of "Speck".

What is "national independence"? What is it worth when you have a ****ty life and the people lives in poverty and fear? Maybe international cooperation and trade, mutual dependence is a much more beneficial idea for all sides involved?

Because you don't get that, just like the 1930s Germans didn't get it, your entire regime doesn't get it -- this is why Russia is such a tyrannic, ****ty and dying country to live in. But hey, at least you have your pride, right?

Incidentally, the genius philosophy German of Friedrich Nietzsche wrote (priblezitelno, write from memory) - "The enemy must be such that respect him and hate,- and not must be such that to despise him."

Nietzsche, for the most part, was an advocate of nihilistic chauvinism, and a really poor **** personally. You shouldn't look there if you're looking for any advice how to make the world more human and a better place to live in.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Have you been to Russia? You're faced with corruption in Russia?

Telegraph - Billions missing from Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics fund

Russia is the freest country in the world. Even gay men are out there is safe.

NY Times - Gays in Russia Find No Haven Despite Support From the West

 

[Tovarish]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Well, my impression is that you are an authoritarian who doesn't have the slightest idea what enlightened values and freedom are, someone who thinks pride is worth more than the value of human life (probably because your life is so ****ty that all you have is your pride), and you live in a fantasy dream world regarding your own country. As I said, reminds me very much of the German mindset in the 1930s.

To address a few points:



I base my impression on about a dozen Russian friends and acquaintances and their story about their home country. Are you calling them liars?

That, and virtually every report I ever come across. Oh, and there is this poster on this forum, Fallenangel is his name I believe, who used to live in Russia and more or less confirms the corruption situation.

Is it maybe possible that you're looking through very rosy glasses, as you are totally nationalistic and it would be too painful for you to look at your country objectively? Are you maybe fooled by the government propaganda in your controlled media? Or maybe you've never seen a better country to know that the situation could be much better?

Russian corruption is legendary these days. A while back, when you said "Italy", people would immediately think "mafia". Today, Russia has taken that place internationally. Vodka and mafia, that's the two things today's Russia is famous for.



Pfffff. I think this sequence of sentences speaks for itself and doesn't require any reply.

By the way, how comes that the Russian regime murders independent journalists who criticize the government, closes independent tv stations and newspapers, and arrests every rich businessman who doesn't play along with the government? If that's freedom, I don't want to know what tyranny is.



Yeah, and this example of you totally missing the point is exactly what I mean. The problem about absolutist monarchy and feudalism is not that certain monarchs are evil. The problem is that such a system in general is a system that enslaves the entire population.



America spends more money on their military than ALL other countries on this planet combined. It has bases and military presence in more than 100 countries. It can interveene in any random place on this planet within a few days, if they wanted so. Even if they are not necessarily able to pacify regions such as Afghanistan on the long run ... but as I remember, the Russian's weren't exactly successful doing that either.



What is "national independence"? What is it worth when you have a ****ty life and the people lives in poverty and fear? Maybe international cooperation and trade, mutual dependence is a much more beneficial idea for all sides involved?

Because you don't get that, just like the 1930s Germans didn't get it, your entire regime doesn't get it -- this is why Russia is such a tyrannic, ****ty and dying country to live in. But hey, at least you have your pride, right?



Nietzsche, for the most part, was an advocate of nihilistic chauvinism, and a really poor **** personally. You shouldn't look there if you're looking for any advice how to make the world more human and a better place to live in.

By the way, have a look here. Thread: The unmask of Western propaganda. http://www.debatepolitics.com/basement/169535-unmask-western-propaganda.html#post1062179386

 

[Tovarish]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Telegraph - Billions missing from Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics fund



NY Times - Gays in Russia Find No Haven Despite Support From the West

Thread: The unmask of Western propaganda. http://www.debatepolitics.com/basement/169535-unmask-western-propaganda.html#post1062179386

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Russia recently launched its near silent nuclear submarine following several years of development.
The Borey Class submarine, dubbed Vladimir Monomakh, has a next generation nuclear reactor, can dive deeper than 1,200 feet, and carries up to 20 nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM).

Each of these "Bulava" ICBM's can carry ten detachable MIRV warheads, what they call "re-entry vehicles," capable of delivering 150 kiloton yields per warhead. MIRV's are what shook the Cold War to its foundation when they first appeared in the 1970s.

And the Kremlin's not dissuaded or slowing down with plans to build eight additional Borey's over the next year, at a very reasonable cost of about $700 million each.

The sub is just one portion of a larger effort at re-arming the Russian navy — the Defence Ministry allocated another $659 billion — for another 50 new warships as well.

Russia's currently engaged in its largest Naval exercise "in decades," involving four of its fleets — maneuvering within the Black Sea, Baltic Sea, and the Northern and Pacific Oceans. The exercise is an attempt to strengthen its presence in the Mediterranean.

Finally, Russia launched a new "Voronezh-DM class anti-missile radar system" along its southern borders in what some analysts believe is a response to U.S. Patriot missile systems in Turkey.

One in a string of building responses to what it sees as U.S. provocations within a sphere of the world it's eager again to take control.
Russia Borey Class Submarine - Business Insider

Actually, I'm sorta glad Russia's getting back in the game - not that I want a war, but because it forces China to rethink their policy choices.

 

[beerftw]

Re: The Launch Of Russia's New 'Silent' Sub Is Just One Step In Rebuilding Its Mighty

Russia recently launched its near silent nuclear submarine following several years of development.
The Borey Class submarine, dubbed Vladimir Monomakh, has a next generation nuclear reactor, can dive deeper than 1,200 feet, and carries up to 20 nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM).

Each of these "Bulava" ICBM's can carry ten detachable MIRV warheads, what they call "re-entry vehicles," capable of delivering 150 kiloton yields per warhead. MIRV's are what shook the Cold War to its foundation when they first appeared in the 1970s.

And the Kremlin's not dissuaded or slowing down with plans to build eight additional Borey's over the next year, at a very reasonable cost of about $700 million each.

The sub is just one portion of a larger effort at re-arming the Russian navy — the Defence Ministry allocated another $659 billion — for another 50 new warships as well.

Russia's currently engaged in its largest Naval exercise "in decades," involving four of its fleets — maneuvering within the Black Sea, Baltic Sea, and the Northern and Pacific Oceans. The exercise is an attempt to strengthen its presence in the Mediterranean.

Finally, Russia launched a new "Voronezh-DM class anti-missile radar system" along its southern borders in what some analysts believe is a response to U.S. Patriot missile systems in Turkey.

One in a string of building responses to what it sees as U.S. provocations within a sphere of the world it's eager again to take control.
Russia Borey Class Submarine - Business Insider

umm nuclrear subs with nuclear warheads are an old cold war method.america long ditched those as its main arsenal since icbm's aremore powerfull,and equally unstoppable.the only advantage the sub held was a silent attack allowing first strike,but americas missle silos would launch immediatly after and the mad doctrine would take over,hence due to the mad doctrine,those subs were useless unless your plan was to see the world end,in which icbm's still did the trick.

ofcourse i dont expect much from russia,considering china has surpassed them on tank technology,which comes close to our tank design over 30 years old.they to this day have never built a sucessfull aircraft carrier that could compete with the western world,and still use mobile icbm launchers despite the fact they were obsolete long ago.