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The Last Thing States, Cities Need Is a Taxpayer Bailout

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The Last Thing States, Cities Need Is a Taxpayer Bailout | RealClearPolitics

August jobs numbers showed impressive hiring gains in nearly every sector of the economy. None more so than government.

The public sector added 344,000 jobs last month – including 95,000 permanent state and local jobs, 11,000 permanent federal jobs, and 238,000 Census jobs -- giving government workers the second-lowest unemployment rate in the country, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

And yet Democrats, under their latest $3 trillion-plus pandemic stimulus plan, want to dump almost $1 trillion into state and city coffers -- the sector of the economy that LEAST needs more federal help.

Here’s why the left’s plan is so wrong-headed, starting with these August figures:

Her $3 trillion-plus stimulus plan would have taxpayers write a nearly $1 trillion check to states and cities (on top of $225 billion in federal aid already sent), showering money on what’s already one of the healthiest sectors. (There has already been some 1/4 trillion gifted under the Covid stimulus plan.)

This only gets the democrats votes from groups they already have - teachers and other public unions - but if any stimulus is needed it is in the private sector, not public unions who have been getting regular paychecks whether they are at home or working.
 

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It seems the GOP plan is to deny cities and states needed revenue which will result in cuts such as defunding police departments.

Shame on them for being against law and order.

Perhaps cities and states should prioritize their spending a bit...you know, like every private business HAS to do.

For example, which is more important:

The extra clerk in the local building permit office.

or

The cop on patrol.

I think most people would think the answer is a no brainer. The cop, who enforces law and order is more important. But that's not how the cities and states do it. They keep them BOTH...and then threaten to fire the cop if the feds don't give them money.
 

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Her $3 trillion-plus stimulus plan would have taxpayers write a nearly $1 trillion check to states and cities (on top of $225 billion in federal aid already sent), showering money on what’s already one of the healthiest sectors. (There has already been some 1/4 trillion gifted under the Covid stimulus plan.)

This only gets the democrats votes from groups they already have - teachers and other public unions - but if any stimulus is needed it is in the private sector, not public unions who have been getting regular paychecks whether they are at home or working.

Yes, the GOP has made it clear their entire 2020 strategy is to tell Americans to drop dead.
 

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Perhaps cities and states should prioritize their spending a bit...you know, like every private business HAS to do.

For example, which is more important:

The extra clerk in the local building permit office.

or

The cop on patrol.

I think most people would think the answer is a no brainer. The cop, who enforces law and order is more important. But that's not how the cities and states do it. They keep them BOTH...and then threaten to fire the cop if the feds don't give them money.


The clerk is more important, but the point is we shouldn’t have to choose.
 

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The clerk is more important, but the point is we shouldn’t have to choose.

When I think about state and local taxes, I often see them in terms of city blocks: “How any dwellings does it take to pay for that cop and clerk? Is it ten, twenty, a city block?” Or “How many citizens does it take to generate a million dollars?” *
*(Businesses taxes are included in what you buy, BTW).

Remember “Every dollar of tax money that comes into the treasury originated in the private sector.”
 

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The clerk is more important, but the point is we shouldn’t have to choose.

Sorry, but we DO have to choose...just like every business has had to choose.
 

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It seems the GOP plan is to deny cities and states needed revenue which will result in cuts such as defunding police departments.

Shame on them for being against law and order.

But the left is also calling for defunding police departments, and it's not revenue based.

Cities and states got themselves into this mess, let them get themselves out.
 

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Perhaps cities and states should prioritize their spending a bit...you know, like every private business HAS to do.

Like those private businesses who had their hands out for government money.
 

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Perhaps cities and states should prioritize their spending a bit...you know, like every private business HAS to do.

Like those private businesses who had their hands out for government money.
 

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But the left is also calling for defunding police departments, and it's not revenue based.

Cities and states got themselves into this mess, let them get themselves out.

The result is the same so the motivation is immaterial.
 

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Like those private businesses who had their hands out for government money.

Yes. Those private businesses that laid off their employees...some of them their entire workforce.

Tell me...which cities did the same?
 

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Sorry, but we DO have to choose...just like every business has had to choose.

We are not a business and if we were the CEO and the shareholders who support him would have been arrested by now.
 

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When I think about state and local taxes, I often see them in terms of city blocks: “How any dwellings does it take to pay for that cop and clerk? Is it ten, twenty, a city block?” Or “How many citizens does it take to generate a million dollars?” *
*(Businesses taxes are included in what you buy, BTW).

Remember “Every dollar of tax money that comes into the treasury originated in the private sector.”

Why would I remember something objectively untrue?

When you ask yourself these questions about dwellings and economics, what answers do you tell yourself?
 

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We are not a business and if we were the CEO and the shareholders who support him would have been arrested by now.

Which makes it worse.

Cities and states don't have anyone willing to take them to task. They think they can flaunt reality because all they have to do is ask Nancy to give them a trillion dollars.
 

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Yes. Those private businesses that laid off their employees...some of them their entire workforce.

Tell me...which cities did the same?

City and state revenue is something that relies on taxation - particularly the property tax and income tax - and often takes months to catch up with economic downturns. I am rather surprised you did not know that.
 

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Does this have some relevance to my post?

yes it does

Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
But the left is also calling for defunding police departments, and it's not revenue based.

Defunding the local police is defunding the local police and the motivation means little next to that hard reality.
 

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yes it does

HOW?



Defunding the local police is defunding the local police and the motivation means little next to that hard reality.

Funding the local police is not a federal function, nor is it a federal obligation.

Let the locals bail themselves out of problems of their own making.
 

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Funding the local police is not a federal function, nor is it a federal obligation.

Let the locals bail themselves out of problems of their own making.

They did NOT make this financial disaster.

Good thing that is not the federal view towards big business.
 

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Which makes it worse.

Cities and states don't have anyone willing to take them to task. They think they can flaunt reality because all they have to do is ask Nancy to give them a trillion dollars.

None of these words have any bearing on real world economics or how municipalities run. IT’s just more libertarian edging.
 

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Her $3 trillion-plus stimulus plan would have taxpayers write a nearly $1 trillion check to states and cities (on top of $225 billion in federal aid already sent), showering money on what’s already one of the healthiest sectors. (There has already been some 1/4 trillion gifted under the Covid stimulus plan.)

This only gets the democrats votes from groups they already have - teachers and other public unions - but if any stimulus is needed it is in the private sector, not public unions who have been getting regular paychecks whether they are at home or working.

When your house is on fire and the FD is short handed form layoffs, may it burn to the ground.
 
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