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"The Koch Brothers Samson Option"

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The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’ | Consortiumnews

"Of course, many pragmatic rich folk understand how the extraordinary U.S. system – built by the sweat and ingenuity of countless “average Americans” and protected by the blood of heroic common citizens – has made their fortunes possible. These patriotic multi-millionaires cringe at the spectacle of a U.S. government shutdown and panic at the thought of defaulting on U.S. debt.
But the right-wing billionaires and their political front groups welcome the current chaos. Indeed, they began planning today’s fiscal crisis as soon as their stunning defeat of last November sank in. Rather than behave as a loyal opposition, the Right started plotting soon after Obama took the oath of office a second time, as the New York Times reported:
“Shortly after President Obama started his second term, a loose-knit coalition of conservative activists led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III gathered in the capital to plot strategy. Their push to repeal Mr. Obama’s health care law was going nowhere, and they desperately needed a new plan.
“Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed ‘blueprint to defunding Obamacare,’ signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups. It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government. "

OK, is the 1/10th of 1% the originator of this plan?

Why do the wealthy want to sink Obamacare: because it will give something to the 99% and cost the 1%?

Who do you trust?

The 1% is about helping everybody? When pigs fly!

Read the whole story, the truth will set you to fury.
 
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Wait, so at no point is anyone in the GOP gonna be forced to grow long hair?







Because that would be awesome.
 
The 0.01%ers probably did this but not for the 'something to the 99% and cost the 1%' reason. IMO, this defund/repeal was a ruse to deeply entrench both sides to ensure the PPACA DIDN'T go away as the right didn't have the power to do either. In fact it is certainly something that will cost the 99% (not paying now but are mandated soon) and profit the 1%ers mightily. Sure the 99% will get HEALTH INSURANCE but their new (scarce)monies injected into health/medical injected will be harvested by the 1% as usual.
 
The 0.01%ers probably did this but not for the 'something to the 99% and cost the 1%' reason. IMO, this defund/repeal was a ruse to deeply entrench both sides to ensure the PPACA DIDN'T go away as the right didn't have the power to do either. In fact it is certainly something that will cost the 99% (not paying now but are mandated soon) and profit the 1%ers mightily. Sure the 99% will get HEALTH INSURANCE but their new (scarce)monies injected into health/medical injected will be harvested by the 1% as usual.

That's likely true, but now the 1% is getting their money from energy and war subsidization and then it will be from something that has a secondary benefit to the 99%. That seems a positive change to me. Vertical Integration of health care will be unavoidable, but still better than "war for profit."
 
This is a thread that reveals the details behind the current "shutdown" and indicates it is a well-planned event. That gives me the willies because it indicates that a default could be another step in that plan and the actors could profit handsomely by shorting stocks and going long on metals with their advance knowledge of the plans. Do anyone else suspect there might be shysters who would use this morass for personal financial gain? I use the term "shysters" loosely to incorporate politicians, as well as financial gurus.
 
Shouldn't this be in the conspiracy forum.
 
That's likely true, but now the 1% is getting their money from energy and war subsidization and then it will be from something that has a secondary benefit to the 99%. That seems a positive change to me. Vertical Integration of health care will be unavoidable, but still better than "war for profit."

The secondary benefit to the 99% health INSURANCE, making them broker is positive change?
 
The secondary benefit to the 99% health INSURANCE, making them broker is positive change?

I'm optimistic that it will force cutbacks in the "War Machine," and subsidization of Big energy like OIL and Nukes. A net financial balance.
 
The reporting is factual. Apparently you did not read the linked document.

Just what every conspiracy theory says. Maybe they're being controlled by the Trilateral Commission. :mrgreen:
 
Just what every conspiracy theory says. Maybe they're being controlled by the Trilateral Commission. :mrgreen:

I have made the observation that if you have a billion dollars and you are certain that a gov't is going to default, then you are going to make huge profit from that advance knowledge. That is simply conspiring to make a profit in the standard corporatist/capitalist fashion. If you do not believe that, then you do not believe in Corporatism/Capitalism. Which is it? Sometimes, making information available in the Commons can alter events.
 
Just what every conspiracy theory says. Maybe they're being controlled by the Trilateral Commission. :mrgreen:

There's no denying where the financing of this stunt is coming from, $200 million mostly from the Koch Bros.
You might at least think about what the T's are doing and how it might effect you before poo pooing it.
This is from the OP's link.
Now, in 2013, the Republican Right has doubled down on that strategy, merging a government shutdown with an impending credit default in an effort to extort more concessions from Obama and the Democrats. But the larger goal is to create a new constitutional structure in which the Right, regardless of its minority status, gets to dictate what the federal government can and cannot do.
To make this strategy work, however, requires a readiness to play Samson and to pull down the temple on your enemies as well as yourself. That appears to be the extreme option that the Koch Brothers and their fellow right-wing billionaires have chosen. If they can’t rule America, they will reduce the country to economic rubble through a fiscal crisis and a premeditated financial collapse.

Then, perhaps out of the rubble, a chastened American people will emerge to accept their subordinate position in this new plutocratic structure. In the future, they will know better than to do something that the Koch Brothers and their right-wing friends don’t like.

All that stuff about a government of the people, by the people and for the people will finally have perished from the earth. [For more on this topic, see Consortiumnews.com's "America's Government by Extortion."]
 
The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’ | Consortiumnews

"Of course, many pragmatic rich folk understand how the extraordinary U.S. system – built by the sweat and ingenuity of countless “average Americans” and protected by the blood of heroic common citizens – has made their fortunes possible. These patriotic multi-millionaires cringe at the spectacle of a U.S. government shutdown and panic at the thought of defaulting on U.S. debt.
But the right-wing billionaires and their political front groups welcome the current chaos. Indeed, they began planning today’s fiscal crisis as soon as their stunning defeat of last November sank in. Rather than behave as a loyal opposition, the Right started plotting soon after Obama took the oath of office a second time, as the New York Times reported:
“Shortly after President Obama started his second term, a loose-knit coalition of conservative activists led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III gathered in the capital to plot strategy. Their push to repeal Mr. Obama’s health care law was going nowhere, and they desperately needed a new plan.
“Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed ‘blueprint to defunding Obamacare,’ signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups. It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government. "

OK, is the 1/10th of 1% the originator of this plan?

Why do the wealthy want to sink Obamacare: because it will give something to the 99% and cost the 1%?

Who do you trust?

The 1% is about helping everybody? When pigs fly!

Read the whole story, the truth will set you to fury.

Dude how come you still self-identify as a conservative? You should come join us, the water's just fine!
 
Dude how come you still self-identify as a conservative? You should come join us, the water's just fine!

I'm a very conservative individual, and I don't see anything conservative about right wing radical ideology and feel they co-opted the name to hide behind. I don't hide. I am a
Green and serious environmentalist and conservative. I'm not an Obamabot and was deeply offended by the invasion of Libya and the high handed shenanigans financing Al Queda types in Syria. I do, however, support Obamacare and feel it is as significant as Social Security. It is the Nation taking care of its' citizens instead of its' Corporations. I've seen more Corporate Welfare than I can stand. This is a percentage shift of monies to people. A potentially good program. Of course, long term, it will be screwed up by politics and vested interests.
 
It was obviously the Rich.

The Rich do all bad things. Death exists only because it makes the Rich money. Every painful thing in our life's increases the Rich's immense income. That's all the Rich care about. The Rich would kill us all right now if the Rich didn't enjoy so much our suffering.

Is that the answer you're looking for?
 
There's no denying where the financing of this stunt is coming from, $200 million mostly from the Koch Bros.
You might at least think about what the T's are doing and how it might effect you before poo pooing it.
This is from the OP's link.

Once again, as the left keeps harping, there are only 18 Tea Party reps in the House. It takes a couple hundred more than that to pass a bill. I thought libs were the smarter ones, one would think you all would be better at math. :mrgreen:
 
It was obviously the Rich.

The Rich do all bad things. Death exists only because it makes the Rich money. Every painful thing in our life's increases the Rich's immense income. That's all the Rich care about. The Rich would kill us all right now if the Rich didn't enjoy so much our suffering.

Is that the answer you're looking for?

Hardly. I've been fortunate to have rich friends who are real proud to be making jobs and a few times sacrificed some of their own monies to keep those jobs when the economy turned. The economy came back, profits flowed again, but their real happiness is that they kept "feeding the babies, theirs and others" when times were a little tough. That doesn't usually fit the Corporate mantra, as evidenced by the wealth accumulation by Big Money during the 2008 crisis.
 
Hardly. I've been fortunate to have rich friends who are real proud to be making jobs and a few times sacrificed some of their own monies to keep those jobs when the economy turned. The economy came back, profits flowed again, but their real happiness is that they kept "feeding the babies, theirs and others" when times were a little tough. That doesn't usually fit the Corporate mantra, as evidenced by the wealth accumulation by Big Money during the 2008 crisis.

Obviously they weren't rich enough to be part of the Rich.
 
It was obviously the Rich.

The Rich do all bad things. Death exists only because it makes the Rich money. Every painful thing in our life's increases the Rich's immense income. That's all the Rich care about. The Rich would kill us all right now if the Rich didn't enjoy so much our suffering.

Is that the answer you're looking for?

Hardly. I've been fortunate to have rich friends who are real proud to be making jobs and a few times sacrificed some of their own monies to keep those jobs when the economy turned. The economy came back, profits flowed again, but their real happiness is that they kept "feeding the babies, theirs and others" when times were a little tough. That doesn't usually fit the Corporate mantra, as evidenced by the wealth accumulation by Big Money during the 2008 crisis.
 
The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’
Apparently you have missed the real news.

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare
By Michael Isikoff, NBC News

In a move that highlights a growing rift in conservative ranks, Koch Industries -- the privately held energy conglomerate owned by billionaires Charles and David Koch -- today distanced the firm from allied political groups lobbying to keep the government shut down unless Obamacare is defunded.

A letter, signed by the company's chief lobbyist and sent to members of Congress, says that Koch Industries has taken no position on the shutdown dispute in Congress "nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defending Obamacare."

Instead, Koch Industries wants Congress to focus on "balancing the budget" and "cutting government spending," among other goals, said Philip Ellender, Koch Industries president for government and public affairs.

The letter comes in the wake of media reports documenting how Freedom Partners -- a newly formed conservative trade association closely associated with the Koch brothers -- has helped finance many of the conservative and Tea Party groups that have been pressuring Republicans to link defunding Obamacare to the passage of a continuing resolution to fund the government and extend the debt ceiling.
[...]

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics
 
The Koch Brothers’ ‘Samson Option’ | Consortiumnews

"Of course, many pragmatic rich folk understand how the extraordinary U.S. system – built by the sweat and ingenuity of countless “average Americans” and protected by the blood of heroic common citizens – has made their fortunes possible. These patriotic multi-millionaires cringe at the spectacle of a U.S. government shutdown and panic at the thought of defaulting on U.S. debt.
But the right-wing billionaires and their political front groups welcome the current chaos. Indeed, they began planning today’s fiscal crisis as soon as their stunning defeat of last November sank in. Rather than behave as a loyal opposition, the Right started plotting soon after Obama took the oath of office a second time, as the New York Times reported:
“Shortly after President Obama started his second term, a loose-knit coalition of conservative activists led by former Attorney General Edwin Meese III gathered in the capital to plot strategy. Their push to repeal Mr. Obama’s health care law was going nowhere, and they desperately needed a new plan.
“Out of that session, held one morning in a location the members insist on keeping secret, came a little-noticed ‘blueprint to defunding Obamacare,’ signed by Mr. Meese and leaders of more than three dozen conservative groups. It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government. "

OK, is the 1/10th of 1% the originator of this plan?

Why do the wealthy want to sink Obamacare: because it will give something to the 99% and cost the 1%?

Who do you trust?

The 1% is about helping everybody? When pigs fly!

Read the whole story, the truth will set you to fury.


Seriously !?

The Koch brothers ?

*sigh*...

They should defund that monstrosity of a law. They should do everything in their power to kill it.

The dirty little secret is that it relies on funding not from the " eeebil rich" or from the very poor but from the middle class.

The people that have been hurt by Obama's Presidency more than anyone.

Drop the Koch Brothers nonsense and open your eyes.
 
Apparently you have missed the real news.

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare
By Michael Isikoff, NBC News

In a move that highlights a growing rift in conservative ranks, Koch Industries -- the privately held energy conglomerate owned by billionaires Charles and David Koch -- today distanced the firm from allied political groups lobbying to keep the government shut down unless Obamacare is defunded.

A letter, signed by the company's chief lobbyist and sent to members of Congress, says that Koch Industries has taken no position on the shutdown dispute in Congress "nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defending Obamacare."

Instead, Koch Industries wants Congress to focus on "balancing the budget" and "cutting government spending," among other goals, said Philip Ellender, Koch Industries president for government and public affairs.

The letter comes in the wake of media reports documenting how Freedom Partners -- a newly formed conservative trade association closely associated with the Koch brothers -- has helped finance many of the conservative and Tea Party groups that have been pressuring Republicans to link defunding Obamacare to the passage of a continuing resolution to fund the government and extend the debt ceiling.
[...]

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics


As the saying goes, "Put your money where your mouth is." The Kochs have put over $200 million into the groups behind the shutdown.. Money talks and bullcrap walks. Quoth the forked tongue, eh?
 
Apparently you have missed the real news.

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare
By Michael Isikoff, NBC News

In a move that highlights a growing rift in conservative ranks, Koch Industries -- the privately held energy conglomerate owned by billionaires Charles and David Koch -- today distanced the firm from allied political groups lobbying to keep the government shut down unless Obamacare is defunded.

A letter, signed by the company's chief lobbyist and sent to members of Congress, says that Koch Industries has taken no position on the shutdown dispute in Congress "nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defending Obamacare."

Instead, Koch Industries wants Congress to focus on "balancing the budget" and "cutting government spending," among other goals, said Philip Ellender, Koch Industries president for government and public affairs.

The letter comes in the wake of media reports documenting how Freedom Partners -- a newly formed conservative trade association closely associated with the Koch brothers -- has helped finance many of the conservative and Tea Party groups that have been pressuring Republicans to link defunding Obamacare to the passage of a continuing resolution to fund the government and extend the debt ceiling.
[...]

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics

Well if the SAY so, it must be true.
 
It was obviously the Rich.

The Rich do all bad things. Death exists only because it makes the Rich money. Every painful thing in our life's increases the Rich's immense income. That's all the Rich care about. The Rich would kill us all right now if the Rich didn't enjoy so much our suffering.

Is that the answer you're looking for?

I didn't see anyone blaming the "rich", that must be your slant. The Koch Bros. are individuals who happen to be rich. That is a very different thing. They seem to be spending a lot of money to create chaos in Washington, costly chaos that effects every American. Don't you wonder why 2 individuals who have not been elected should be able to hold that much power in a democratic society? Is that what democracy is to you? Do you think it can be bought?
 
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