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The John F. Kennedy Assassination
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There is no real eveidence that the Mafia or LBJ did it, if you are into the conspiracies.
My personal favorite it the Military-Industrail Complex. Anyone ever heard of Operation Northwoods?
Duke
My personal favorite it the Military-Industrail Complex. Anyone ever heard of Operation Northwoods?
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High Treason is an excellent book on the JFK assassination, clearly showing that Oswald couldn't have acted alone.
It's a common sense book, that easily discredits the Warren Commision Report with photographic evidence and eyewitness testimony.
It's a common sense book, that easily discredits the Warren Commision Report with photographic evidence and eyewitness testimony.
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Oswald could NOT have been the one that made the kill shot on JFK. If it were so, ..JFK's head would not have been violently pushed backwards as seen in the "Zapruder" film.
JFK's kill shot was "HIT" from the front area, ..& Oswald was completely behind him in the Texas schoolbook depository, & nowhere near the front strategic position.
Besides ...does one REALLY believe that another bullet passes through JOhn Connonly's back area, ...then tumbles into his wrist/hand bone, ..& then a fine "pristine" bullet is found on his ambulance stretcher (a plant) with no mushroom, ..or hardly any wear for passng through his body, & then smashing into bones??
Bullets can, & do strange things; ..BuT a bullet impact does not push one backwards UNLESS the subject is hit from the front, ..& it matters NOT whether a person is wearing a back brace either especially when its the head that is being sent backwards with violent force that also is pushing ones body backwards as well.
Oswald could have been an additional shooter, ..& yet another fact remains which is directly behind the presidential motorcade, a piece of fragmented bullet had richocheted & hit a bystander near the overhead pass kind of aiding in the theory that JFK WAS shot from the front, ..& not from the direction of the Texas Schoolbook depository.
AS a matter of ''fact", ..it would have been an easier shot for Oswald to take, ..& see the motorcade IF Oswald had shot as soon as the motorcade was coming strait in direct line with the motorcade, ..instead of waiting for the motorcade to pass the window & continue down past "Dealy Plaza" area as there was a tree exactly in the way of the motorcade which would have obstructed the site of the motorcade, ..yet...the Warren Commission insists that is when Oswald fired his rifle??
There is another troubling thing about this, & that is the fact that a professional photographer at the naval hospital that photographed JFK's remains was found brutally murdered. (co-incidence?)
David Ferry dies not long afterwards, & all Jack Ruby wants to do is be taken out of Texas to "tell" his story, ..& swears it was a ''conspiracy", ..& even states he will not ever leave Texas alive if he is not put in federal protective custody.
IF the federal Government REALLY wanted the truth told, ..why would THEY not want to bring Ruby to Washington, & leave NO stone uncovered?? rtHey could always have RETURNED RUBY to TExas IF it was JUST a matter of legal juristiction??
Not to mention the fact that the federal government officials ILLEGALLY, & FORCIBLY fought over the BODY of JFK, & even POINTED their weapons at Texas authorities to take it back to Washington??
If the crime was committed in Texas, & IF Texas law demanded the body to remain in Texas, ..& the federal authorities fought with Texas authorities over it, ..& won, ..why would federal authorities NOT want to excercise the same right to get Ruby out of Texas, & into custody to interogate him in Washington???
This was the biggest assassination crime since Lincoln???
In the mid 70's when Congress re-opened the JFK assasination probe, ...Sam Giancana is found shot to death in his own house, Mafia/Florida link Johnny Roselli's remains wash ashore in a steel drum cut in pieces, Jimmy Hoffa disappears!
What did ALL of these people have in common; ..all knew each other "very" well, ..& also knew "Carlos Marcello"(well respected mafia filthy rich, financier & mafia man) of Louisianna who was a very BIG BIG LBJ supporter & campaign contributor in LBJ's younger years in public service.
Does anybody KNOW about LBJ's associated links, & frienships with KNOWN criminals in his early days long before he became president? (Bobby Baker, Billy Sol Estes to name a few)
Has anybody ever heard of the ''Estes Affair", ..& how LBJ was actually in a government program with Estes & Baker "illegally" of course that payed him millions for property that he NEVER owned, ..& yet recieved federal subsidies; & in fact at least one person was found shot to death that was a witness for the prosecution. (ruled a suicide by authorities)...even though the subject had multiple rifle shots whereas any one of them would have been fatal!
My theory: A few American organized crime people, & a few dirty CIA operatives, & FOREIGN CONTRACT KILLERS from Corsica, Sicily, & some are believed to still be living in Marsaille France & KNOWN BY OUR AUTHORITIES.. who were HIRED by organized crime ..& even Jimmy Hoffa KNEW JFK was going to be "hit" BEFORE it happened, & Santos Trafficante admitted on his death bed that he himself was involved, & said it was wrong to have "HIT" Giovani (JFK)
Years earlier Carlos Marcello was forcibly deported, & put on a plane & dumped in the middle of nowhere in Honduras by the then young Bobby Kennedy when he was investigating organized crime figures & bringing them before congress years earlier. Marcello also said that he would kill all the g-damn kennedy's once he made it back to the states.
Additional theory: When Hoffa was let out of prison, ..the mafia did NOT want him running the Teamster Union anymore, ..& Hoffa threatened them with WHAT he knew about mafia tampering with union pension funds, ..among "other" things unless they allowed him to run for union president again.
Johnny Roselli, & Sam Giancana...were probably NOT involved but "KNEW" too many things, & had to go, as word gets around to people who are "connected"!
Carlos Marcello spent some time in jail on "other" unrelated charges years later, & eventually died in the 80's I "believe"!
It was NO secret that Joesph P. kennedy senior also KNEW many many organized crime figures when he was a young man, & dabbled in many of the same ILLEGAL enterprises ...but that was BEFORE he became "RESPECTABLE"!
In fact the 1960 presidential election was "thought" to have been fixed giving JFK the nod over Nixon in a very close race, ..with union, & mafia thugs involved in West Virginia, & Illinois vote tampering.
The deal was this, ...Keep your kid (Bobby) away from us & our enterprise, ..& we can help give John the presidency!
Bobby never stopped, & in fact after he became Attorney General, ..he went after the mafia even more vigorously.
Amazing...its always the LONE gunman nut theories even though MORE bullet holes were found in the pantry walls at the DNC celebration area where Bobby was supposed to have been assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, ..& yet most witnesses SAID that Sirhan NEVER got to within 15 feet of Bobby, & some security personnel were not all accounted for either?
Amazing also that LBJ would take such a vested interest in whether or not Ruby was successful in killing Oswald, ..& his question; "did Oswald say "anything" before he died"??
Not to mention the fact that Chief justice Warren wanted NO part of heading up a government inquirey into the JFK assassination, ..& in fact was ORDERED to do so by LBJ!
LBJ lusted to be president, & everybody in the proper political circles knew it, ..& LBJ also knew that he could NEVER become president as long as BOTH Kennedy's stayed in politics, as there was NO way LBJ could ever wrestle the DNC nomination from either of them, ..& he also knew that his inherited family heart disease had a history of taking the Johnson's before their time! LBJ resented the fact that he was on the democratic ticket soley for the southern democratic vote.
LBJ hated the Kennedy's, ..& the feeling was mutual...as Bobby talked down to LBJ constantly, ..as Bobby also did to J. Edgar Hoover whom both also disdained each other?
Another tidbit to ponder was that JFK was NOT well loved by our intel orghanizations like the CIA, & the CIA despised JFK's last minute cowardice at the Bay of Pigs invasion, as Kennedy PROMISED air support for the CIA operatives who were fighting Castro's army, ..& then at the last minute REFUSED to send the air support leading many cuban Americans, & CIA personell to be shot & killed, & taken prisoner & then afterwards when the mission failed.. JFK pretended he did not know about it, & threatened to tear up the CIA in a million pieces, ..& in fact FIRED Allen Dulles who headed the organization. What is even MORE interesting is the fact that Allen Dulles also was involved with the JFK assassination investigation, ..& not only that but LBJ brought him back to head the CIA after JFK's assassination!
We can draw our own conclusions, ..& coincidences are all part of life,...BUT the whole "Warren Commission" was a sham, & much of it WAS doctored up to fit the results of what THEY wanted.
The truth will NEVER come out, ..because it cannot,.. as too many people could be implicated in not just JFK's assassination ..but also criminal conspiracy into other areas which would be devastating to the whole of the American peoples faith & trust in government!
Oswald by HIMSELF, ..no way...& many can argue the other lone nut gunman theory of Sirhan Sirhan.
Last tidbit: Bobby Kennedy was asked while he was on the campaign trail in 1968; "Will you ever open your brother's assassination up to another investigation??"
His answer; "I cannot do anything right now"..or in so many words,an obviious definition might be; That he NEEDED THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY TO OPEN UP DOORS.
Most people closely associated with Bobby felt that BOBBY NEVER believed the "WARREN COMMISSION'S" findings on who really killed his brother.
Too many coincidences, ..& too many players who knew each other, & too many witness deaths that defy the laws of chance.
JFK's kill shot was "HIT" from the front area, ..& Oswald was completely behind him in the Texas schoolbook depository, & nowhere near the front strategic position.
Besides ...does one REALLY believe that another bullet passes through JOhn Connonly's back area, ...then tumbles into his wrist/hand bone, ..& then a fine "pristine" bullet is found on his ambulance stretcher (a plant) with no mushroom, ..or hardly any wear for passng through his body, & then smashing into bones??
Bullets can, & do strange things; ..BuT a bullet impact does not push one backwards UNLESS the subject is hit from the front, ..& it matters NOT whether a person is wearing a back brace either especially when its the head that is being sent backwards with violent force that also is pushing ones body backwards as well.
Oswald could have been an additional shooter, ..& yet another fact remains which is directly behind the presidential motorcade, a piece of fragmented bullet had richocheted & hit a bystander near the overhead pass kind of aiding in the theory that JFK WAS shot from the front, ..& not from the direction of the Texas Schoolbook depository.
AS a matter of ''fact", ..it would have been an easier shot for Oswald to take, ..& see the motorcade IF Oswald had shot as soon as the motorcade was coming strait in direct line with the motorcade, ..instead of waiting for the motorcade to pass the window & continue down past "Dealy Plaza" area as there was a tree exactly in the way of the motorcade which would have obstructed the site of the motorcade, ..yet...the Warren Commission insists that is when Oswald fired his rifle??
There is another troubling thing about this, & that is the fact that a professional photographer at the naval hospital that photographed JFK's remains was found brutally murdered. (co-incidence?)
David Ferry dies not long afterwards, & all Jack Ruby wants to do is be taken out of Texas to "tell" his story, ..& swears it was a ''conspiracy", ..& even states he will not ever leave Texas alive if he is not put in federal protective custody.
IF the federal Government REALLY wanted the truth told, ..why would THEY not want to bring Ruby to Washington, & leave NO stone uncovered?? rtHey could always have RETURNED RUBY to TExas IF it was JUST a matter of legal juristiction??
Not to mention the fact that the federal government officials ILLEGALLY, & FORCIBLY fought over the BODY of JFK, & even POINTED their weapons at Texas authorities to take it back to Washington??
If the crime was committed in Texas, & IF Texas law demanded the body to remain in Texas, ..& the federal authorities fought with Texas authorities over it, ..& won, ..why would federal authorities NOT want to excercise the same right to get Ruby out of Texas, & into custody to interogate him in Washington???
This was the biggest assassination crime since Lincoln???
In the mid 70's when Congress re-opened the JFK assasination probe, ...Sam Giancana is found shot to death in his own house, Mafia/Florida link Johnny Roselli's remains wash ashore in a steel drum cut in pieces, Jimmy Hoffa disappears!
What did ALL of these people have in common; ..all knew each other "very" well, ..& also knew "Carlos Marcello"(well respected mafia filthy rich, financier & mafia man) of Louisianna who was a very BIG BIG LBJ supporter & campaign contributor in LBJ's younger years in public service.
Does anybody KNOW about LBJ's associated links, & frienships with KNOWN criminals in his early days long before he became president? (Bobby Baker, Billy Sol Estes to name a few)
Has anybody ever heard of the ''Estes Affair", ..& how LBJ was actually in a government program with Estes & Baker "illegally" of course that payed him millions for property that he NEVER owned, ..& yet recieved federal subsidies; & in fact at least one person was found shot to death that was a witness for the prosecution. (ruled a suicide by authorities)...even though the subject had multiple rifle shots whereas any one of them would have been fatal!
My theory: A few American organized crime people, & a few dirty CIA operatives, & FOREIGN CONTRACT KILLERS from Corsica, Sicily, & some are believed to still be living in Marsaille France & KNOWN BY OUR AUTHORITIES.. who were HIRED by organized crime ..& even Jimmy Hoffa KNEW JFK was going to be "hit" BEFORE it happened, & Santos Trafficante admitted on his death bed that he himself was involved, & said it was wrong to have "HIT" Giovani (JFK)
Years earlier Carlos Marcello was forcibly deported, & put on a plane & dumped in the middle of nowhere in Honduras by the then young Bobby Kennedy when he was investigating organized crime figures & bringing them before congress years earlier. Marcello also said that he would kill all the g-damn kennedy's once he made it back to the states.
Additional theory: When Hoffa was let out of prison, ..the mafia did NOT want him running the Teamster Union anymore, ..& Hoffa threatened them with WHAT he knew about mafia tampering with union pension funds, ..among "other" things unless they allowed him to run for union president again.
Johnny Roselli, & Sam Giancana...were probably NOT involved but "KNEW" too many things, & had to go, as word gets around to people who are "connected"!
Carlos Marcello spent some time in jail on "other" unrelated charges years later, & eventually died in the 80's I "believe"!
It was NO secret that Joesph P. kennedy senior also KNEW many many organized crime figures when he was a young man, & dabbled in many of the same ILLEGAL enterprises ...but that was BEFORE he became "RESPECTABLE"!
In fact the 1960 presidential election was "thought" to have been fixed giving JFK the nod over Nixon in a very close race, ..with union, & mafia thugs involved in West Virginia, & Illinois vote tampering.
The deal was this, ...Keep your kid (Bobby) away from us & our enterprise, ..& we can help give John the presidency!
Bobby never stopped, & in fact after he became Attorney General, ..he went after the mafia even more vigorously.
Amazing...its always the LONE gunman nut theories even though MORE bullet holes were found in the pantry walls at the DNC celebration area where Bobby was supposed to have been assassinated by Sirhan Sirhan, ..& yet most witnesses SAID that Sirhan NEVER got to within 15 feet of Bobby, & some security personnel were not all accounted for either?
Amazing also that LBJ would take such a vested interest in whether or not Ruby was successful in killing Oswald, ..& his question; "did Oswald say "anything" before he died"??
Not to mention the fact that Chief justice Warren wanted NO part of heading up a government inquirey into the JFK assassination, ..& in fact was ORDERED to do so by LBJ!
LBJ lusted to be president, & everybody in the proper political circles knew it, ..& LBJ also knew that he could NEVER become president as long as BOTH Kennedy's stayed in politics, as there was NO way LBJ could ever wrestle the DNC nomination from either of them, ..& he also knew that his inherited family heart disease had a history of taking the Johnson's before their time! LBJ resented the fact that he was on the democratic ticket soley for the southern democratic vote.
LBJ hated the Kennedy's, ..& the feeling was mutual...as Bobby talked down to LBJ constantly, ..as Bobby also did to J. Edgar Hoover whom both also disdained each other?
Another tidbit to ponder was that JFK was NOT well loved by our intel orghanizations like the CIA, & the CIA despised JFK's last minute cowardice at the Bay of Pigs invasion, as Kennedy PROMISED air support for the CIA operatives who were fighting Castro's army, ..& then at the last minute REFUSED to send the air support leading many cuban Americans, & CIA personell to be shot & killed, & taken prisoner & then afterwards when the mission failed.. JFK pretended he did not know about it, & threatened to tear up the CIA in a million pieces, ..& in fact FIRED Allen Dulles who headed the organization. What is even MORE interesting is the fact that Allen Dulles also was involved with the JFK assassination investigation, ..& not only that but LBJ brought him back to head the CIA after JFK's assassination!
We can draw our own conclusions, ..& coincidences are all part of life,...BUT the whole "Warren Commission" was a sham, & much of it WAS doctored up to fit the results of what THEY wanted.
The truth will NEVER come out, ..because it cannot,.. as too many people could be implicated in not just JFK's assassination ..but also criminal conspiracy into other areas which would be devastating to the whole of the American peoples faith & trust in government!
Oswald by HIMSELF, ..no way...& many can argue the other lone nut gunman theory of Sirhan Sirhan.
Last tidbit: Bobby Kennedy was asked while he was on the campaign trail in 1968; "Will you ever open your brother's assassination up to another investigation??"
His answer; "I cannot do anything right now"..or in so many words,an obviious definition might be; That he NEEDED THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY TO OPEN UP DOORS.
Most people closely associated with Bobby felt that BOBBY NEVER believed the "WARREN COMMISSION'S" findings on who really killed his brother.
Too many coincidences, ..& too many players who knew each other, & too many witness deaths that defy the laws of chance.
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There have been tests using watermelons that I am sure you have heard of, in which the watermelons jumped forward when shot. We all know how much the Owswaldists love to show that set of tests off. However, there were tests in which they used the closest replicas of human heads that they could create, and, when fired upon, they jumped away from the shooter. Suprise? I think not.
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