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The Israel v Iran War : It's First Casualty : The United States of America

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What Just Happened in Iran​

By Tom Woods

June 14, 2025

Just days ago, Donald Trump said to reporters that he had told Benjamin Netanyahu that military intervention “would be inappropriate to do right now because we’re very close to a solution. Now, that could change at any moment. It could change with a phone call. But right now, I think they want to make a deal. And, if we can make a deal, [it would] save a lot of lives.”

And then we have the Israeli strikes from yesterday.

So at first, people wondered: is Netanyahu simply defying and humiliating Trump, and deliberately sabotaging ongoing negotiations?

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Folks, it appears that the Warmonger-Neocrazy-War Profiteer coalition is more powerful than our duly elected President.

It appears that the Warmonger-Neocrazy-War Profiteer coalition has AGAIN effectuated a Coup d' Etat against President Trump thereby dissolving the Mandate the WE THE PEOPLE gave to our Anti-War President
 
But Trump is a strong leader the world fears and respects......
 
If the US government has its attention pulled to Iran, it means that there are fewer resources to promote fascism domestically.
 

How Iran Strikes Put Trump’s Impotence on Full Embarrassing Display​




While Iranians are sifting through the rubble caused by over 100 Israeli strikes on strategic targets across their country, questions about the Trump administration’s role in the strikes are swirling in the air in capitals worldwide.

The narratives being peddled by the Israeli and U.S. governments are not making matters clearer. It does not help matters that both are notorious for their lies.


The Israelis quickly sought to make it appear that they coordinated the attack closely with Team Trump. They argued that Trump’s public statements of opposition to such attacks was all a ruse designed to mask the joint Israeli-US intent to strike a blow to Iran’s nuclear and missile launch capabilities.


Trump meanwhile issued a statement which began, “I gave Iran chance after chance to make a deal.” It then went on to say that he warned Iranians that if they didn’t that they would have content to contend with the fact that the U.S. “makes the best and most lethal military equipment anywhere in the World, BY FAR, and that Israel has a lot of it..and they know how to use it.”

He then said, “Certain Iranian hardliners spoke bravely, but they didn’t know what was about to happen. They are all DEAD now, and it will only get worse!” This led into another plea from the U.S. president for Iran to make a deal to “save what was once known as the Iranian Empire (sic).” For emphasis, in his signature ALL CAPS style, he wrote, “JUST DO IT, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.”

While the Trump statement was written to suggest the strikes were all part of a US-Israeli plan, a statement put out by U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio immediately after the attacks asserted, “Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran.”

How Iran Strikes Put Trump’s Impotence on Full Embarrassing Display

All the reasons Trump is the opposite of a 4-D chess player are on brutal display in the Tehran rubble.
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SCrider said:
But Trump is a strong leader the world fears and respects......
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If you are an AMerican Citizen the MUTINY effectuated against President Trump by the Warmonger-Neocrazy-War Profiteer Coalition is no laughing matter. This is the 2nd time that they frustrate the will of the people. Electing a US President nowadays in an exercise in futility.
 
Slartibartfast said:
If the US government has its attention pulled to Iran, it means that there are fewer resources to promote fascism domestically.
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That is precisely the point I tried to emphasize when addressing Conservatives and Republicans .
 
Who really cares if Trump was 'in on it'? There's no way Israel can pull this off with our intel support. Regardless, taking down Iran is the right thing to do. Nukes in the hands of terrorist is the worst case scenario. Just be glad: 1) We have Israel around to do all the dirty work and 2) Harris didn't win the election.
 
Lex Talionis said:
It's stunning to witness the impact of the vacuum left behind from the US retreating from the world.
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Being an American Firster - doing what is BEST FOR THE UNITED STATES is NOT "retreating from the world"



Trump Snubs Netanyahu - NO War !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​




 
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Maybe Trump should’ve been paying attention to that instead of a stupid parade
 
dmpi said:
There's no way Israel can pull this off with our intel support.
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Concur.

But the DOD is NOT supposed to act without permission from their Commander-in-Chief.
Colonel Douglas MacGregor the warmongers-neocrazies-war profiteers have wrested power away from President Trump


 
Hamish Howl said:
That's not hard.
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Yet another treasonous , seditious remark.

That is the SAME pretext they used against President Kennedy .

Somehow Allen Dulles declared him a "threat to national security " ain't that some shih-tsu ?!?!?!?!?!?
 

Conspiracy theory. Plus Trump fully supports any and all killimg that Netanyahu wants to do.
 
watsup said:
Conspiracy theory. Plus Trump fully supports any and all killimg that Netanyahu wants to do.
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Yup - I am exposing some heavy hitters : the warmongers-neocrazies- and war profiteers and their MUTINY against the President - so of course , from their standpoint the thread raises a "conspiracy theory"
 
Contumacious said:
Now I'm wondering who came up with that idea
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What Idea? the widely reported fact that Trump does not pay attention to his intel briefs?
The fact that he snubbed Israel in favor of pursuing deals in the ME for his worthless spawn?
Those ideas?
 
SCrider said:
What Idea? the widely reported fact that Trump does not pay attention to his intel briefs?
The fact that he snubbed Israel in favor of pursuing deals in the ME for his worthless spawn?
Those ideas?
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You guys had the opportunity to vote for Nikki Haley or any other warmonger-neocrazy-war profiteer adherent
You Guys lost
what gives you the authority to perpetrate a treasonous seditious mutiny
 
First- there for sure is no 'intel' relationship between Trump and Israel. Or if there is, it's strictly one-way.
Second- the point here is that the President of the United States is irrelevant to Israeli military action. Trump or Harris.
 
SCrider said:
What Idea? the widely reported fact that Trump does not pay attention to his intel briefs?
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Do you know the reason President Kennedy used to ignore intel briefs?

Because they were pure pro war propaganda !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He used to call Captains and Lieutenants in order to get actual accurate information ?

Mark A Milley is the mother of all treasonous seditious warmongers .
 
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Grand Mal said:
First- there for sure is no 'intel' relationship between Trump and Israel. Or if there is, it's strictly one-way.
Second- the point here is that the President of the United States is irrelevant to Israeli military action. Trump or Harris.
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SPOT ON BRO'

But the CIA believes that it doesn't have to comply with the US President - they are used to circumventing the will of the people. They know that the Congresscritters are too scared to abolish the GD agency
 
Contumacious said:
Yup - I am exposing some heavy hitters : the warmongers-neocrazies- and war profiteers and their MUTINY against the President - so of course , from their standpoint the thread raises a "conspiracy theory"
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It is.
 
watsup said:
It is.
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If it was , you would be pointing out its weaknesses.
You would have tried to show how Colonel Douglas MacGregor a former top NATO Commander is wrong about the CIA wresting authority away from their Commander in Chief. i.e. a ****ING MUTINY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Still wrong forum.
 
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