RGacky3
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The story of Jesus is a very close retelling of the story of Moses. In fact, the stories of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, Saul, David, Jesus, and Muhammad all share many common themes. They even share specific phrases in some translations. Even the story of Joseph Smith contains some of these themes and literary nuances.
I can add more stuff, The stories of Abraham Lincoln, Eugene Debs, MLK, Malcolm X, Ross Pierre and Shaka Zulu all share themes and so on.
Sharing specific phrases in the story of Jesus from stories in the OT isn't suprising since the writers were all Jews and Jesus was a Jew ....
Except for the intentional removal and addition of various parts, re-interpretation according to new cultural norms, translations between multiple languages, and intentional modifications to meet political agendas. The King James version was heavily politicized, and there are plenty of modern versions available heavily influenced by modern Protestant right, especially American evangelicals. Considering that the language we're currently communicating in wouldn't exist in a recognizable form for almost a thousand years after the time we're talking about, it would be completely impossible for the words you're reading now in whatever version of the bible you read to match those from any version then.
I'm talking about the text in the greek ... The westcott hort greek text, from which many bibles are translated, uses manuscripts ALL pre 7th century, infact they come MUCH earlier, the westcott hort, is what we have now, I agree the King James version is not the best translation .... But it's still the same bible that was around in the 7th century.
If all you're saying is that translation changes the text, then we don't have any book other than what was writtein in our mother tongue .... As far as intentional removal and addition ... we have so many manuscripts that we KNOW what the origional text said. if you have 98 manuscripts that say "God sent his only begotten son" one that says "Dog sent his only begotten Sun" and one that said "God sent himself," you know what was the origional and what was better ... that is an argument FOR the authenticity ... rahter than just having 2 manuscripts that say "God sent his only begotten son," I'd rather than more manuscripts with some variants than less manuscripts and none.
We know what the bible said in the first century, go ahead and ask Bart Ehrman if he thinks that the bibles that were around in the 7th century were radically or even significantly different from the ones we have now .... NO serious biblical scholar would say that.
If such a person existed, if he was illiterate like some people say... He didn't need to personally read it, just know what was in it. Mind you, the Quran has gone through alteration and revision, too. It most likely wasn't written by Muhammad, but rather by his successors. It was certainly edited by his successors.
1. You don't know if the Quaran has gone through alteration or revision, we only have the Uthmahnic version.
2. Muhammad didn't write it, Muslims don't believe that, he transmited it orally.
3. You saing it was edited is just an assumption.
4. Muhammad didn't know what was in the bible (or at least the writer of the Quran didn't), and it's obvious.
What's the difference?
Early Christianity never CLAIMED to be independant of Judaism ... No one disputes this, the NT writers quote from the OT consciously and purposefully, since the audience (most of them) would have seen the OT as authority ... plagerism is copying and pretending you didn't.
I'll just pick the easiest one. Is there ever, in a single Jewish text ever written, a mention that the messiah will be a physical descendant of god? Is there even a mention that such a thing is possible? No. The whole father/son thing is 100% from Greek and Roman myth.
Why not learn the history of your own religion? Maybe that will help you understand it better and put it in a context that doesn't require you to dismiss reality. You could still keep the parts that matter to you, like belief in the teachings of Jesus (which are mostly pretty good teachings), without having to think that every single word of a book is true. You can love your neighbor without having to believe in magic.
Jesus wasn't a "physical descendant of a God," the incarnation wasn't anything like an actual physical intereaction between God and Mary, his spirit was transfered. the "Son of God" came from Hebrew scriptrues referencing "Son Of God" sayings and prophesies. The Gospel writers were ALL jews as was Paul, and none of them would have had almost any contact with pagan cults, and paganism is not found at all in the NT, pagan thought did creep in but much much later like the 4th or 5th century, long after the NT was already written, the so called links between paganism and the NT were thrown away by critical scholars early last century ... why? Because they were simply not there, if you look closer they arn't similar at all.
Jesus Enemies knew he wasn't physically the son of Joseph, and they brought it up way into the second century as a slur against him. The ACTUAL source is Psalms 2 ... which is the actual verse quoted when God blesses Jesus and says.
"“You are my son;
today I have begotten you."
Don't tell me to "learn the history of my own religion," I've been studying the scriptures of the bible for years, I've read books on the bible from both skeptical and believing scholars, I don't take this lightly. Also serious biblical exegesis isn't "every word is true" or "it's all metaphorical" it's much more nuanced than that. If you're going to be condesending to me about understanding the scriptures, you better have at least studied them honestly.