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The Irrelevant U.N. & its 'Succeses' (1 Viewer)

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Putting U.N. Sanctions, its 'successes', and how relevant the U.N. has become in perspective:

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http://www.ceip.org/programs/global/semcortrightgomez.htm

'Success of the U.N. Sanctions Era':

....contrary to popular belief, that the sanctions against Iraq have been partially effective—six of the eight propositions in UN Security Council Resolution 687 have been complied with by the Iraqi government… the authorities in Baghdad manipulated the humanitarian impacts for their own political gain… the major powers misused the sanctions instrument (Black Marketing/Oil-for-Food Scandal -- U.N. and outside officials stole Iraqi Oil money, even demanded more be used to pay for their lawyers during the investigation of them stealing the money! 12 years of secretly undermining/breaking the sanctions/resolutions they publicly passed!)

The Yugoslav example is an important case for understanding the requirements for effective enforcement and the significant role sanctions can play in bargaining dynamics. The 1991-early 1994 sanctions were weak. The 1994-1995 sanctions regime was a success because of the highly effective monitoring and enforcement procedures that were developed. In contrast, the 1998 arms embargo was limited and halfhearted in its implementation.
-- Sounds familiar!

The sanctions against Haiti are examined as a case in which hesitation, inconsistency, and a lack of enforcement undermined the political effectiveness of sanctions. The sanctions eventually failed altogether, and the decision was made to opt for a military solution.

The case of Cambodia and the UNITA areas of Angola are examples of sanctions applied against non-state actors. In Cambodia, sanctions combined with a large peacekeeping operation to isolate and weaken the Khmer Rouge and contributed to its decline.

The final three case studies of Liberia, Rwanda, and Somalia are examples of ineffective arms embargoes applied against failed states in circumstances of war, genocide, and famine. These sanctions reflect the inability of the Security Council or any other international bodies to provide successful solutions to the crisis of violence and human rights abuses that have plagued sub-Saharan Africa.

Overall Findings

…the limits of the effectiveness of sanctions are due less to inherent shortcomings in the instrument itself than to flaws in the design, implementation, and enforcement… Sanctions must be perceived as a form of coercive persuasion. Sanctions require thoroughness and toughness.


Discussion

Some participants argued that sanctions need to be examined as part of an overall coercive effort—they should be exercised in conjunction with the threat or use of force. One participant referred to studies that have shown that sanctions accompanied with the threat or use of force are more effective than sanctions alone.


U.N. Peacekeeping Forces & Their Success

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/892592.stm

1956: The Middle East
The first peacekeeping force was deployed in the Sinai Peninsula in 1956, at the proposal of Canada's Foreign Minister, Lester Pearson.
However, in 1967, President Nasser of Egypt ordered the UN troops to withdraw. They had no choice but to leave, and within days war broke out again.

1992: Somalia
A year later, in 1995, the UN also withdrew, confessing failure.

1993: Bosnia
In the summer of 1995, lightly-armed peacekeepers stood by powerless as thousands of men in Srebrenica were murdered in what they had been told was a "safe haven".
Rwanda: 1994
The UN has since admitted that it failed to prevent the genocide, and ignored warnings of what was to come.

East Timor: 1999
pro-Jakarta militias managed to destroy most of the country's infrastructure, leaving the UN with an unprecedented challenge to rebuild the country almost from scratch. The UN has found itself in complete control of a country without a government - a job for which it has limited resources and no experience.

Sierra Leone: 2000
When the Nigerian-led force, Ecomog, withdrew because of domestic pressures, the peacekeeping operation descended into chaos.
The UN force was mainly drawn from sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East and South Asia - countries which had little experience of working together, and whose soldiers were badly organised.

Lebanon:
Lebonese Ambassadors assassinated, Iranian-supported terrorists allowed to arm and grow bigger than the Lebonese military, the country enslaved and used as a launching pad for attacks against Israel. The peacekeeping forces sent in relegated to Voyeurs who have watched all of this.
-- Latest conflict, the U.N. negotiates a ceasefire and troops to move in, consisting of Hezzbollah supporters and 200 French Engineers. The 2 Israeli soldiers kidnapped, starting this whole thing, not mandated to be freed - Hezbollah still demands prisoner exchhange, rewarding Hezbollah/hetting what they were after all along!

Up next:

NK with Nukes.
Iranians in Iraq
Hezbollah rebuilding in Lebanon, continued conflict w/Israel
Nuclear Iran

:doh
 
And all this is the UNs fault? Not the nations, companies and people who break sanctions? Not the the nations who water down resolutions or veto them all together? Its all the UN organisations fault?

Question, what would you have instead?
 
PeteEU said:
And all this is the UNs fault? Not the nations, companies and people who break sanctions? Not the the nations who water down resolutions or veto them all together? Its all the UN organisations fault?

Question, what would you have instead?

1. The U.N. breaks their own sanctions.
The Oil-for-Food Scandal showed that members of the U.N., councelors and Ambassadors, Kofi Annan and his own son, took part in 12 years of breaking their own sanctions, running a black marketing ring that supported - not 'punished' Hussein - and stole Iraqi oil money, which the U.N. was supposed to be overseeing FOR the Iraqi people! Kofi Annan, himself, has been exposed as being guilty of covering up for his friend's (a U.N. Ambassador's) Sexual Harrassment against a female worker of the U.N. He has been exposed as taking part in/covering up for his son in the oil-for-Food Scandal. He hired Volker to investigate the scandal, KNOWING he was on the payroll of one of the biggest companies who had taken part in the scandal. Even volker's aid said they found enough to tie Kofi in to the scandal but that Volker buried it and declared there was nothing to it! The U.N. at the highest level, is dirty and guilty of crimes against the world, and there has been a poor attempt to cover up their crimes. For HIS crimes alone, Kofi should not still be the Sec. General of the U.N., yet because it is such a powerless, meaningless organization, he still reigns.

Then just recently, while captured Hezbolla fighters told how they were funded/armed/trained/supplied/manned by/in Iran, while they proudly proclaimed they were terrorists, while Iranian soldiers were found among Hezbollah dead or captured among Hezbollah fighting Israel, Kofi Annan announced to the world that Hezbollah was NOT a terrorist group and that Iran nor Syria had nothing to do with the fighting in Lebanon, making him look like a fool. After announcing Iran and Syria had no part in the conflict, he then declared Israel should sit down and negotiate not only with the terrorists but with Syria as well! If Syria had nothing to do with the conflict, why should they be involved? Because the U.N. was acknowledging that Lebanon is a puppet state of Iran and syria, which rhey allowed to happen after the Syrians assassinated several Lebonese Ambassadors!

NOW the U.N. is telling Israel that they will have to participate in a prisoner swap in which they will have to give up 1,000 terrorist Hezbollah fighters who have been attacking and plotting against Israel in order to get back their 2 soldiers kidnapped in a cross-border raid by Hezbollah!

How incredibly moronic and inept is THAT?! this is not the 1st time Israel has been forced to do this! THAT deal could have been made without the U.N. The U.N.'s participation in this latest conflict has only rescued Hezbollah, allowed them the time to regroup, rebuild, and re-arm so this whole thing can start again! there was no ouside agency or company! This whole thing was a result of the corrupt U.N. and the inability to do ANYTHING of substance, like enforce resolution 1559, which, had it happened, could have prevented this latest conflict instead of kicking the can down the road again, as this latest U.N. cr@p resolution has done!

2. It was members of the U.N., the Ambassadors and negotiators who have watered down any resolutions that would actuallysolve problems and result in peace! It has been councils and these Ambassadors within the U.N. who have acted on behalf of terrorists groups, their own country's interest (France, for example, delaying any action in the Sudan so they could keep selling weapons - making a profit - to the Islamic extremists who were committing the genocide of all Non-muslims in the region) rather than adhere to the oath they swore to become a member of the U.N., the oath to work together on behalf of WORLD concerns and peace! When this has been exposed, the U.N. has refused to take action, thereby making the U.N. irrelevant!


Re-read again the 1st post, and check out all the U.N. 'successes'!

The conclussion was that the U.N. as a whole had to be committed to the threat - the very real threat - of military intervention to solve a problem.

"...studies that have shown that sanctions accompanied with the threat or use of force are more effective than sanctions alone."

"...sanctions reflect the inability of the Security Council or any other international bodies to provide successful solutions to the crisis of violence and human rights".

"…the limits of the effectiveness of sanctions are due less to inherent shortcomings in the instrument itself than to flaws in the design, implementation, and enforcement… Sanctions must be perceived as a form of coercive persuasion. Sanctions require thoroughness and toughness."

Individuals do not force Resolutions....Companies do not fail in the design, implementation, or enforcement of sanctions - those are duties of the U.N. as a whole and the responsibility of not only those nations who have taken the U.N.'s oath and responsibilities as a member but the responsibility of the secretary general of the U.N., all of which has failed the world and become a complete irrelevant orgasnization due to crimes, corruption, cowardice, and unreasonable compromise of what is right!
 
easyt65 said:
He hired Volker to investigate the scandal, KNOWING he was on the payroll of one of the biggest companies who had taken part in the scandal. Even volker's aid said they found enough to tie Kofi in to the scandal but that Volker buried it and declared there was nothing to it!
Hey, they forced me to do so by offering me money :shock: :mrgreen:

No, actually, it was Mr. Volcker.

easyt65 said:
After announcing Iran and Syria had no part in the conflict, he then declared Israel should sit down and negotiate not only with the terrorists but with Syria as well! If Syria had nothing to do with the conflict, why should they be involved?
It's simple, because Syria and Lebanon agreed that they are the only ones to control the Syrian Lebanese borderline in the future and this is important because of arms smuggling.

easyt65 said:
2. It was members of the U.N., the Ambassadors and negotiators who have watered down any resolutions that would actuallysolve problems and result in peace! It has been councils and these Ambassadors within the U.N. who have acted on behalf of terrorists groups, their own country's interest (France, for example, delaying any action in the Sudan so they could keep selling weapons - making a profit - to the Islamic extremists who were committing the genocide of all Non-muslims in the region) rather than adhere to the oath they swore to become a member of the U.N., the oath to work together on behalf of WORLD concerns and peace! When this has been exposed, the U.N. has refused to take action, thereby making the U.N. irrelevant!
France actually voted in favor of Resolution 1564 on 18th September 2004.

The new resolution from August 2006 is still a draft, but one probably France will vote in favor of it, too.
 
Volker said:
France actually voted in favor of Resolution 1564 on 18th September 2004.

The new resolution from August 2006 is still a draft, but one probably France will vote in favor of it, too.

France was also one of the ones who refused to make the resolution a chapter 7 issue, giving the necessary authorization to enforce the resolution/peace treaty. Without a Chapter 7 Resolution, the UNIFIL forces going in are pretty much handcuffed!
 
easyt65 said:
France was also one of the ones who refused to make the resolution a chapter 7 issue, giving the necessary authorization to enforce the resolution/peace treaty. Without a Chapter 7 Resolution, the UNIFIL forces going in are pretty much handcuffed!
You probably talk about Resolution 1701 here, the one about Lebanon. This is a Chapter 6 resolution, which was a good thing to get fast negotiation results. However, it seems that the mission will have elements of Chapter 7, too, if the Lebanese government agrees to it.

No. 1564 was a Chapter 7 resolution. It was just that the African Union troops were dependent in some ways on the Sudanes government, for instance to get fuel for their helicopters.

The new resolution draft is also Chapter 7, but the Sudanese government did not like it. The British Ambassador to the United Nations, Mr. Parry said, this Chapter 7 was more for technical reasons, to protect the U.N. troops, but maybe they change it to get consent by the Sudanese government.
 

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