The Human Shield Tactic...Take Two (1 Viewer)

[aquapub]

One of Ann Coulter's opinions I happen to agree with and see routinely demonstrated all over this site is that 90% of what liberals do when they are suppose to be debating is try to silence their opposition to avoid intellectually confronting their assertions.


Carolyn McCarthy: to silence the debate on gun control.

Christopher Reeves: to silence the debate on stem cells.

Max Cleland: to silence the debate on Iraq.

The 4 anti-Bush activist women who have paraded their dead husbands around to lie about and smear Bush: to silence the debate on Iraq.

John Murtha: to silence the debate on Iraq.

John Kerry: to silence the debate on Iraq.

Cindy Sheehan: to silence the debate on Iraq.

Joe Wilson: to silence the debate on Iraq.

These are all household names because the Left (especially the liberals who run the media) constantly tried to use these people to guilt trip conservatives into silence while they leveled outrageously false assertions and one baseless smear after another.

Ann Coulter refers to this cowering from intellectual conflict as the, "human shield" tactic-set up someone who no one is allowed to criticize and then hurl endless BS at your opponents while threatening to vilify them if they respond.

Coulter has flipped the bird to these intellectual cowards and let herself be demonized. Someone had to do it, and hell, it helps her book sales anyway.


So please, name one person conservatives have held up as a human shield. And let's try to keep our anger management issues to ourselves this time.

 

[Stace]

Bill Clinton sure does come up a lot in an attempt to silence Bush bashing.

Michael Moore is used as a counter attack to Coulter bashing.

Cindy Sheehan, Murtha, and Kerry are all used by the right.

Those five immediately come to mind, but I know there are more.

 

[Alastor]

My feelings were made clear in the first thread.

You can view it here.

 

[taxedout]

Bill Clinton sure does come up a lot in an attempt to silence Bush bashing.

Michael Moore is used as a counter attack to Coulter bashing.

Cindy Sheehan, Murtha, and Kerry are all used by the right.

Those five immediately come to mind, but I know there are more.

Obviously you've missed the whole point of what the "human shield" concept is.

It is the placement of spokespeople that draw heartfelt, sympathetic emotional respponses, in the process of promoting your cause. This makes it very difficult to challenge, since who can be opposed to the causes that the crippled, mentally reatrded, gunshot victims or grieving widows promote, without appearing calloused.

What cause can possibly be promoted through the use sympathy for Michael Moore ?

 

[Stace]

Obviously you've missed the whole point of what the "human shield" concept is.

It is the placement of spokespeople that draw heartfelt, sympathetic emotional respponses, in the process of promoting your cause. This makes it very difficult to challenge, since who can be opposed to the causes that the crippled, mentally reatrded, gunshot victims or grieving widows promote, without appearing calloused.

What cause can possibly be promoted through the use sympathy for Michael Moore ?

Right. Show me an instance where someone from the left used Kerry, Murtha, or Sheehan to evoke a sympathetic response. The only thing that comes to mind with those three would be bringing up Sheehan's son dying in Iraq, but most people on the left think she's just as much of a whackjob as those on the right do.

Read the very first line of the OP. I see it from the right in nearly every thread.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Yet another deeply prejudicial thread that was created to make the thread starter feel better.

How about:

Zell Miller - How the Democratic Party has changed.

Rudi Guilliani - Terrorism Expert

John McCain - Treatment of POWs / War Questions

Bob Geldoff - Aids

Bruce Willis - Tried to Enlist for the Iraqi War

Charlton Heston - GUNS

Pat Tillman - but this one backfired big time when the lies were exposed.

Karl Malone - Guns

Nolan Ryan - Guns

U.S. Representative Steve Largent - Guns

Tom Clancy - Guns

Tom Selleck - Guns

Anyone Nascar

Almost Anyone Country

South Park Republicans - But I love the show!

This is pointless, both parties have celebrities that use their celebrity to further all sorts of causes...

 

[taxedout]

Right. Show me an instance where someone from the left used Kerry, Murtha, or Sheehan to evoke a sympathetic response. The only thing that comes to mind with those three would be bringing up Sheehan's son dying in Iraq, but most people on the left think she's just as much of a whackjob as those on the right do.

Sheehan has not been used to elicit sympathy?
You have to be kidding, right ?
Would you even know her name if it were not for her dead son ?
Her whackjob reputation happened after the fact.
Perfect example of a "human shield".

Hasn't Kerry been promoted as a "wounded" soldier who has witnessed the horrors of war first hand ? Again, perfect example.

Murtha ? I agree, not a terribly good "human shield" example.

Another good example, James Brady. How many times did we get the pleasure of watching him drool and slur his words on stage, helping to promote anti-gun legislation. Too many to count.

 

[Stace]

Sheehan has not been used to elicit sympathy?
You have to be kidding, right ?
Would you even know her name if it were not for her dead son ?
Her whackjob reputation happened after the fact.
Perfect example of a "human shield".

Perhaps I've missed it, but I've never seen anyone here use her to try and elicit sympathy. I haven't seen anyone here that DOESN'T think she's a whackjob.

Hasn't Kerry been promoted as a "wounded" soldier who has witnessed the horrors of war first hand ? Again, perfect example.

Again, not that I've seen.

Murtha ? I agree, not a terribly good "human shield" example.

Another good example, James Brady. How many times did we get the pleasure of watching him drool and slur his words on stage, helping to promote anti-gun legislation. Too many to count.

I have no clue who James Brady is.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I have no clue who James Brady is.

He was President Reagan's Press Secretary and was severely wounded during the assination attempt against Reagan in 1981.

After he recovered he had serious brain damage and Congress passed and Reagan signed what was known as the "Brady Bill" that put restrictions on certain types of guns that have no practical purpose other than sinister and criminal intent.

 

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This poll/thread is a human shield tactic itself. LOL

What the right is doing now is finding ways to attack the democrats, the press, the Supreme Court, etc.--anything but discussing how badly things are going in Iraq. It's rather transparent, if you ask me.

 

[BWG]

This poll/thread is a human shield tactic itself. LOL

What the right is doing now is finding ways to attack the democrats, the press, the Supreme Court, etc.--anything but discussing how badly things are going in Iraq. It's rather transparent, if you ask me.

It's election time and Rove is back in charge. Smoke and mirrors, slight of hand, misdirection, it's all there. They're already talking about bring up SS privatization again. You know what a huge success that was for them the first time around, even the the hand-picked audiences weren't buying their crap. Gay marriage, flag burning, attacking the press, SS, distractions all. The circus is back in town, just a new coat of paint and replace a few burned out lightbulbs, the rubes will be impressed. :lol:

 

[Hoot]

The first name that came to my mind as far as the right using someone to further their cause....

Terry Schiavo.

 

[26 X World Champs]

The first name that came to my mind as far as the right using someone to further their cause....

Terry Schiavo.

OOOOH! Good one! Excellent! How about Scooter Libby taking one for the team? Republicans use SCARE tactics as shields, i.e. Gay Marriage, Flag Burning, Judges who legislate from the Bench....

 

[aquapub]

The first name that came to my mind as far as the right using someone to further their cause....

Terry Schiavo.

:lol:

This is not the same as having John Murtha trash and lie about the president and the troops while his party guilt trips anyone who questions him into silence.

Conservatives didn't use her to silence the debate. They used her to initiate one.

 

[26 X World Champs]

This is not the same as having John Murtha trash and lie about the president and the troops while his party guilt trips anyone who questions him into silence.

Conservatives didn't use her to silence the debate. They used her to initiate one.

:bs :bs :bs :bs

 

[Deegan]

OOOOH! Good one! Excellent! How about Scooter Libby taking one for the team? Republicans use SCARE tactics as shields, i.e. Gay Marriage, Flag Burning, Judges who legislate from the Bench....

I would say the biggest scare tactic of all, would have to be the Global Warming Crowd, so don't act as if fear does not get things done, that would be................:roll:

 

[aquapub]

Bill Clinton sure does come up a lot in an attempt to silence Bush bashing.

Michael Moore is used as a counter attack to Coulter bashing.

Cindy Sheehan, Murtha, and Kerry are all used by the right.

Those five immediately come to mind, but I know there are more.

Read the intro. We are talking about avoiding intellectual confrontation by putting forward someone no one can criticize or question.

The right uses NONE of these people for that purpose. This is the Left's standard way of avoiding the issue.

 

[Stace]

Read the intro. We are talking about avoiding intellectual confrontation by putting forward someone no one can criticize or question.

The right uses NONE of these people for that purpose. This is the Left's standard way of avoiding the issue.

Uh yes, there are plenty of your right wing friends that use those folks to avoid actually discussing the topic. Navy Pride's standard operating mode involves routinely using these folks for that very purpose.

 

[Alastor]

Read the intro. We are talking about avoiding intellectual confrontation by putting forward someone no one can criticize or question.

The right uses NONE of these people for that purpose. This is the Left's standard way of avoiding the issue.

"The left is always totally wrong and right is always completely righteous."

Sorry dude, that just sounds asinine.

 

[aquapub]

Uh yes, there are plenty of your right wing friends that use those folks to avoid actually discussing the topic. Navy Pride's standard operating mode involves routinely using these folks for that very purpose.

Name one. Liberals have dozens of household name human shields they use to get around their inability to win the debate.

I have yet to see anyone point out one example of a conservative human shield.


The fact that it is this hard to think of a single conservative human shield speaks for itself.

 

[aquapub]

Show me an instance where someone from the left used Kerry, Murtha, or Sheehan to evoke a sympathetic response.

With Kerry and Murtha it was about "I served, therefore no one gets to question my visionless, cowardly retreatism now."

 

[aquapub]

Yet another deeply prejudicial thread that was created to make the thread starter feel better.

How about:

Zell Miller - How the Democratic Party has changed.

Rudi Guilliani - Terrorism Expert

John McCain - Treatment of POWs / War Questions

Bob Geldoff - Aids

Bruce Willis - Tried to Enlist for the Iraqi War

Charlton Heston - GUNS

Pat Tillman - but this one backfired big time when the lies were exposed.

Karl Malone - Guns

Nolan Ryan - Guns

U.S. Representative Steve Largent - Guns

Tom Clancy - Guns

Tom Selleck - Guns

Anyone Nascar

Almost Anyone Country

South Park Republicans - But I love the show!

This is pointless, both parties have celebrities that use their celebrity to further all sorts of causes...

In your standard, utterly irrational fashion, you have succeeded at posting names next to things people stand for, but you have completely failed to give an example of any conservative who is used to keep the right from having to intellectually confront the Left on something.

So John McCain was a POW. Is the Left accusing him of doing something unpatriotic, cowardly, etc? No, so how is the right using his POW experience to shield him from criticism?

None of these examples are any more logical than the McCain one.

 

[aquapub]

This poll/thread is a human shield tactic itself. LOL

What the right is doing now is finding ways to attack the democrats, the press, the Supreme Court, etc.--anything but discussing how badly things are going in Iraq. It's rather transparent, if you ask me.

The human shield tactic has been discussed among Republicans since the late 1980s (maybe longer). YOU are coming into this thread, acting like this is a new criticism and changing the subject to Iraq.

Throwing up a smokescreen? That would be you-the one ACTUALLY changing the subject.

 

[aquapub]

"The left is always totally wrong and right is always completely righteous."

Sorry dude, that just sounds asinine.

That's not what I said. But since you brought it up, liberals are usually oblivious, hysterical, and wrong.

You are like one of those laymen who mistake the criminal justice system for being a 50/50 battle: sometimes suspects are guilty, sometimes their innocent. But the vast majority of the time, the evidence led to the suspect for a reason-the vast majority of the time, the suspect is guilty.

The vast majority of the time, a given debate is between those who base their assertions on facts, evidence, substance...and liberals.

 

[aquapub]

:bs

John Murtha: "I served, so you can't question my visionless, cowardly retreatism."

Terry Schaivo: "I was brain dead, so the left can't criticize me for supporting...killing brain dead people?"

These two are not even close to the same thing. :roll:

Nice try.