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The Great Experiment is now doomed

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The Great Experiment known as the United States of America and everything it was founded upon will soon come to an end. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness has been redefined. Life, as precious as it is, is not valued at all in this country. Abortions are common place, the murder rate where freedoms are restricted is horrible, our police have become targets, our politicians lie to cover their own failures and our justice system is beyond repair at this point. Liberty, defined as freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control, has been slipping through our fingers for more than a century now (see 17th amendment). For years the federal government has gone to great lengths to hold a figurative gun to the state governments in such a way that can't be described as anything but bribery and extortion. Our federal government has now become more sinister and intrusive than the monarchies that our founders fought to escape from. The pursuit of happiness, the single most twisted and distorted of the three, is quite possibly the single biggest contributor to our downfall. It has been redefined, not for everyone to have the same opportunities, but more for everyone to have the same results regardless of the personal decisions people make in their lives. No longer are those who become successful and attain wealth through risk, hard work and determination looked up to, they are now scorned for being productive members of society (things like creating jobs, paying more than their fair share of taxes, etc...) and simply having too much "stuff". The pursuit of happiness now means free housing, free phones, free health care, free food and zero responsibility to provide for themselves and their families.

These aren't things that I just came to realize, these have been a serious problem for quite some time now and they're getting worse. What I did come to realize is that the average America voter is absolutely clueless. I'd lost faith in the liberals a long, long time ago and I've just lost faith in "conservatives", especially in my home state. I've been saying for a long time that both the Democrats and the Republicans are destroying this country but the Democrats are standing on the gas pedal while the Republicans are easing into the throttle. This is no longer the case after recent events. Republican voters have lost sight of any principles that they once held and have abandoned them for hate, celebrity and turning a blind eye to the truth. They are just as bad, if not worse, than the Democrats.

I'm sure some of you are saying that "more people voted against Donald Trump than voted for him". While this is true, the fact that enough people have been duped into voting for someone with no experience in political office, a liberal in so many ways prior to 2015 (he is the new face of a "flip flopper") and someone with an incredibly short fuse is disturbing - and it should be to everyone regardless of political lean. And the fact that we're now left with a choice of a celebrity who isn't qualified to hold the office and either a crooked politician who lies constantly or a socialist who wants to give everything away and doesn't understand economics and how they work. How did we get to this point?

We have become a nation of entitled cry babies with no desire to stand on our own two feet. Are we all entitled? No. Are we all cry babies? No. Do we all live off the government titt? No, but too many of us do and the number keeps growing and growing and growing. The growth in the number of "makers" is being outpaced by the number of "takers". This will ultimately lead to a disaster.

I no longer hold out hope that we can turn this country around. I believe we are past the "tipping point" and what happened in Indiana yesterday solidified that belief for me. I have changed my lean to Independent because there aren't enough true conservatives left in the Republican party. I have not considered myself a Republican for years now, but they were the lesser of the two major evils parties in this country. I don't know if I can bring myself to vote for Trump or if this will be the first year I vote for a third party candidate. Trump is a wildcard and he could be the best thing since Ronald Reagan or the worst President of all-time, but he would still be a better choice than the alternative from the Democratic ticket. How sad is it that our candidates for POTUS get worse and worse every election? The answer - the American people keep getting dumber and dumber every year and it's caught up to us. This once great nation of ours will turn into a European nightmare along the lines of Greece. The last great hope for freedom and independence on the planet has been on life support for some time now. Sooner or later, the plug is going to be pulled and it will be the ignorant American voting public that will do it. Only God can help us now because we are no longer capable of helping ourselves.
 

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Hmmm...drama much?

So you see a few things you don't "like" and the world (our country) is doomed? :roll:

How many people said that when Elvis and the Beatles first appeared, and when women started working, and when the Vietnam war broke out?

Sheeeeshhhh....Debbie Downer. :2razz:
 

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Your name looks very green today...
 

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Your name looks very green today...

Yeah, I couldn't take the elephants for the "Conservative" lean any more. The Republicans aren't very conservative nowadays.
 

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Abortions are common everywhere. It would make more sense to reference the amount of single mothers since that appears to be a growing problem.
 

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Yeah, I couldn't take the elephants for the "Conservative" lean any more. The Republicans aren't very conservative nowadays.

I understand and respect your frustration, even while thinking it is a little over the top, and not really accurate.
 

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Only God can help us now because we are no longer capable of helping ourselves.
Oh no, USA can help themselves by reinventing and reinforcing the philosophical principles of Thomas Jefferson (and other founding fathers):
 

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From my view, the politics of this time have their roots in the general loss of ethics and morals both on this stage, as well as in the electorate.

The politics is merely a reflection of the electorate, now more so than ever before, considering the repudiation of the party establishment in both party's primaries.
 

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From my view, the politics of this time have their roots in the general loss of ethics and morals both on this stage, as well as in the electorate.

The politics is merely a reflection of the electorate, now more so than ever before, considering the repudiation of the party establishment in both party's primaries.

Very well said.
 

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The Great Experiment known as the United States of America and everything it was founded upon will soon come to an end. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness has been redefined. Life, as precious as it is, is not valued at all in this country. Abortions are common place, the murder rate where freedoms are restricted is horrible, our police have become targets, our politicians lie to cover their own failures and our justice system is beyond repair at this point. Liberty, defined as freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control, has been slipping through our fingers for more than a century now (see 17th amendment). For years the federal government has gone to great lengths to hold a figurative gun to the state governments in such a way that can't be described as anything but bribery and extortion. Our federal government has now become more sinister and intrusive than the monarchies that our founders fought to escape from. The pursuit of happiness, the single most twisted and distorted of the three, is quite possibly the single biggest contributor to our downfall. It has been redefined, not for everyone to have the same opportunities, but more for everyone to have the same results regardless of the personal decisions people make in their lives. No longer are those who become successful and attain wealth through risk, hard work and determination looked up to, they are now scorned for being productive members of society (things like creating jobs, paying more than their fair share of taxes, etc...) and simply having too much "stuff". The pursuit of happiness now means free housing, free phones, free health care, free food and zero responsibility to provide for themselves and their families.

These aren't things that I just came to realize, these have been a serious problem for quite some time now and they're getting worse. What I did come to realize is that the average America voter is absolutely clueless. I'd lost faith in the liberals a long, long time ago and I've just lost faith in "conservatives", especially in my home state. I've been saying for a long time that both the Democrats and the Republicans are destroying this country but the Democrats are standing on the gas pedal while the Republicans are easing into the throttle. This is no longer the case after recent events. Republican voters have lost sight of any principles that they once held and have abandoned them for hate, celebrity and turning a blind eye to the truth. They are just as bad, if not worse, than the Democrats.

I'm sure some of you are saying that "more people voted against Donald Trump than voted for him". While this is true, the fact that enough people have been duped into voting for someone with no experience in political office, a liberal in so many ways prior to 2015 (he is the new face of a "flip flopper") and someone with an incredibly short fuse is disturbing - and it should be to everyone regardless of political lean. And the fact that we're now left with a choice of a celebrity who isn't qualified to hold the office and either a crooked politician who lies constantly or a socialist who wants to give everything away and doesn't understand economics and how they work. How did we get to this point?

We have become a nation of entitled cry babies with no desire to stand on our own two feet. Are we all entitled? No. Are we all cry babies? No. Do we all live off the government titt? No, but too many of us do and the number keeps growing and growing and growing. The growth in the number of "makers" is being outpaced by the number of "takers". This will ultimately lead to a disaster.

I no longer hold out hope that we can turn this country around. Only God can help us now because we are no longer capable of helping ourselves. <snip>

Very well put, and EXACTLY how I feel today. I too will be registering as an independent.

Last one out, turn off the lights. The party is over, and the fat lady has sung.
 

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Very well put, and EXACTLY how I feel today. I too will be registering as an independent.

Last one out, turn off the lights. The party is over, and the fat lady has sung.

If the nation has survived 8 years of Obama, and would likely survive 4 years of Hillary, I think you are throwing in the towel a bit yearly.
 

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The Great Experiment known as the United States of America and everything it was founded upon will soon come to an end.

Liberty, defined as freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control, has been slipping through our fingers for more than a century now (see 17th amendment).

Our federal government has now become more sinister and intrusive than the monarchies that our founders fought to escape from.

The pursuit of happiness now means free housing, free phones, free health care, free food and zero responsibility to provide for themselves and their families.

I'd lost faith in the liberals a long, long time ago and I've just lost faith in "conservatives", especially in my home state.

Republican voters have lost sight of any principles that they once held and have abandoned them for hate, celebrity and turning a blind eye to the truth.

And the fact that we're now left with a choice of a celebrity who isn't qualified to hold the office and either a crooked politician who lies constantly or a socialist who wants to give everything away and doesn't understand economics and how they work. How did we get to this point?

I have changed my lean to Independent because there aren't enough true conservatives left in the Republican party. I have not considered myself a Republican for years now, but they were the lesser of the two major evils parties in this country. I don't know if I can bring myself to vote for Trump or if this will be the first year I vote for a third party candidate.

The last great hope for freedom and independence on the planet has been on life support for some time now.

I isolated these comments for a reason, please bear with me. Perhaps a reasonable discussion we could have is how we define "conservative."

The reason I go there is *Constitutional Conservatism* has absolutely nothing to do with today's Republican party (along any faction line) nor does it even relate to social conservatism in any sense. If the Republican party is finding itself dealing with so much anti-establishment force to the point that the candidate selected is absolutely meaningless to anything the party claims it stands for today (again along any faction line) and also does not stand for Constitutional Conservatism then the reasonable answer is looking for that definition.

The opposing force is this nation's own pulse when it comes to political and social ideologies that have pushed us in the very direction towards ideals that we have been to world war over. The idea of more governance, the idea of more dependence, the idea of more relationship between private and individual determination vs. national level determination. 80 years ago this nation responded to the threat of global governmental dominate ideological models by going to war, and here at home leaning our own nation towards the very social conservative ideology that no longer is the path to the Republican nomination. 2008, 2012, and now 2016 is proving that appealing to south eastern social conservatives is not enough.

So, what is a "conservative?" And even better, are there enough of them to matter? That no longer means dealing with some faction shift for the Republican party just to contend with an overwhelming anti-establishment tone. It means defining conservative in today's context and with some vague hope it aligns with *Constitutional Conservative.* You need to then hope the new definition, considering the pulse of this nation today, includes enough people who look at the Constitution in founder's terms. I do not think enough of them exist, and social conservatives do not qualify.
 

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Hmmm...drama much?

So you see a few things you don't "like" and the world (our country) is doomed? :roll:

How many people said that when Elvis and the Beatles first appeared, and when women started working, and when the Vietnam war broke out?

Sheeeeshhhh....Debbie Downer. :2razz:

Not trying to sound sexist or anything, but when you increase the labor pool by 50% you put considerable pressure on wages. That is not to say women shouldn't have entered the work force, but just that it didn't come without a cost.
 

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If the nation has survived 8 years of Obama, and would likely survive 4 years of Hillary, I think you are throwing in the towel a bit yearly.

Oh, we'll physically survive (well, many of us will survive. A continued liberal SCOTUS will ensure that millions of us don't). The American Experiment simply won't. It could last as long as at least one of the major parties defended it. Now, both parties are effectively Post-Constitution, and increasingly Post-Modern.

Politics is downstream from culture - look into our culture and tell me where you see a redemptive power building that will bring us back to the Classic Liberal ideals that Conservatives fought to defend. In our shrinking attention spans, our special-snowflake demand for entitled treatment, our increasing dedication to celebrity culture, or the dive into petty amusements designed to fill the gaps in our lives left by the collapse of the family and the church?
 

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How many of you folks should we put on suicide watch when Hillary gets elected?

(okay...if Hillary gets elected)
 

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If the nation has survived 8 years of Obama, and would likely survive 4 years of Hillary, I think you are throwing in the towel a bit yearly.

4 years of Hillary we could survive. A far left supreme court, we cannot.
 

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4 years of Hillary we could survive. A far left supreme court, we cannot.

Agreed.

However, a great deal would depend on if the Senate is allowed to advise and consent, and which party holds the Senate.
 

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Wow...there really are some very pessimistic people on this board.

The world is not coming to an end. Eventually, the "single super power" status of the United States will come to an end...and so what? No nation stays dominant forever...and we've done damned well for ourselves as a republic.

Don't be down. The sun will come up tomorrow.
 

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The Great Experiment known as the United States of America and everything it was founded upon will soon come to an end. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness has been redefined. Life, as precious as it is, is not valued at all in this country. Abortions are common place, the murder rate where freedoms are restricted is horrible, our police have become targets, our politicians lie to cover their own failures and our justice system is beyond repair at this point. Liberty, defined as freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control, has been slipping through our fingers for more than a century now (see 17th amendment). For years the federal government has gone to great lengths to hold a figurative gun to the state governments in such a way that can't be described as anything but bribery and extortion. Our federal government has now become more sinister and intrusive than the monarchies that our founders fought to escape from. The pursuit of happiness, the single most twisted and distorted of the three, is quite possibly the single biggest contributor to our downfall. It has been redefined, not for everyone to have the same opportunities, but more for everyone to have the same results regardless of the personal decisions people make in their lives. No longer are those who become successful and attain wealth through risk, hard work and determination looked up to, they are now scorned for being productive members of society (things like creating jobs, paying more than their fair share of taxes, etc...) and simply having too much "stuff". The pursuit of happiness now means free housing, free phones, free health care, free food and zero responsibility to provide for themselves and their families.

Don't be so glum chum. We are a rather resilient people and have suffered through much worse in our past.
 
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