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The government further regulating sex.

wackestmc said:
Whatever happened to your old man taking you out fishing and explaining the birds and the bees? Or your mother getting out an anatomy book and explaining everything to you?

I don't think public education has any place teaching young, developing minds about sex; they can hardly handle history or science. I beleive education on drugs, sex, violence, and basic ethics to belong to the parent and the parent only. The school has no right to be telling a child what religion, sexuality, political affiliation, or other beleifs it should have. The developing morals of young children belongs to the parents, I say.
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How many parents understand it all?
 
wackestmc said:
I wasn't talking about reproductive basics. Antomy and safety is a science, and I agree, we should teach that. However, I'm talking about the ethical values. I don't want schools pushing their agendas on my child. They can say anatomy and objective basics all day; but they're shoving morals down kids' throats.
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Can you give an example of these morals?
 
wackestmc said:
By telling them that sex is something meant for heterosexuals, something meant for marriage, telling them what marriage should mean to them, that's what I'm talkng about.

Graphs, condoms, body parts whatever; that's fine. I'm talking about when they tell the children when they should have sex and with who. What if my kid is gay? What if he has a differant idea of what sex and marriage mean than the school does? The school's still going to try and tell my child what a normal American should do and that's not up to them.

Let me reiterate one more time so people can actually understand what I mean;

If a sex education class wants to tell my child what the organs are, how they work, how pregnancy and diseases work, and how to prevent them; AWESOME! Of course I'd want that knowledge available.

If a sex education class wants to tell my child what is right and wrong when it comes to their ethical, and their moral choices about using responsible sex, I have a problem. Again, I'm saying that when sex reaches a moral pretense in education, there's too many people defining others' lives and slashing other lifestyles down.
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Are upi serious? They say this? That's f'd p.
 
wackestmc said:
Hahaha, yeah, the initial explanation was slightly poor, glad to get some clarity out there.:2razz:
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Rock on!:mrgreen:
 
I was mostly generalizing; obviously not all schools propogandize everything, and obviously some do, and I was speaking of the instances in which they do. I didn't provide specific exampls cause I figure you all know what I mean.
 
jfuh said:
Fact. Utah and Ohio, probably the two most conservative states in the US have the highest dl bandwidth of pornography from the internet then any other state.
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*whistles innocently*
 
Is it really such a bad deal with schools teaching about abstinence? Personally I have no problem with it, but I agree with you guys, about how its pretty wrong for the school to tell you what is right or wrong when it comes to their sexual orientation. People will be curious, and take measures to clarify those ideas. I know we all dont like this (the school saying whats right or wrong), but since when does any kid really listen to what a school says? Its been only two years since I was in school, and I clearly remember that when some type of admin tried to tell us that whatever we had done was wrong, we just nodded, said okay, and laughed our a$ses of behind their back and said how stupid that admin was. Most, if not all, actually do ridicule the staff and admin of their school, when it comes to lectures of right or wrong.

So, I have a question for everyone. How much do you remember from high school, that you have learned from your classes?
 
@_girL........ said:
Is it really such a bad deal with schools teaching about abstinence?
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It's a goofy line. Yes, abstinence should be the only thing for children. Of course, sex education that's all abstinence is myopic. It'd be a very short class of "don't do it, any questions?" Sex education needs to be direct with facts, descriptions, and real subjective consequences of what sexual activity could happen. I'd rather not the class be a pulpit for a teacher's personal proclivities and agenda to be addressed whether the teacher has slut pride or an iron chastity belt.

@_girL........ said:
So, I have a question for everyone. How much do you remember from high school, that you have learned from your classes?
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Well, I tried to forget about all of the girl stuff. Eww! Just kidding. I remember it being staid and blunt. A very clinical teaching of it but at the same time, they erased a lot of urban myths (hairy palms/going blind), they taught how to masterbate, and taught about STDs and pregnancy. The rest is a blur.
 
shuamort said:
Well, I tried to forget about all of the girl stuff. Eww! Just kidding. I remember it being staid and blunt. A very clinical teaching of it but at the same time, they erased a lot of urban myths (hairy palms/going blind), they taught how to masterbate, and taught about STDs and pregnancy. The rest is a blur.
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Yes, so most of it is a blur?
 
@_girL........ said:
Yes, so most of it is a blur?
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Perhaps, but just because your memory of sex education is a blur, doesn't mean it plays no part in the make-up of your attitude about sex and your own sexuality.
 
mixedmedia said:
Perhaps, but just because your memory of sex education is a blur, doesn't mean it plays no part in the make-up of your attitude about sex and your own sexuality.
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No, I wasn't talking about only sex-ed. I was saying as a whole. I actually agreed with what you said mixy, about you telling your kids. Not all parents do that, and I personally feel that if there was more parent involvement with there kids, then it would lessen the rates of unprotected sex and such.
 
If these "concerned parents" don't want their kids in the sex ed classes, why don't they just sign the forms offering to omit their children from the classes?

It's because they want to push their morals down everyone else's throats. :roll:
 
@_girL........ said:
Yes, so most of it is a blur?
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Well, most of my life is a blur. I have a pretty crappy memory. Somethings stick out, I remember at the end of class we could all write questions anonymously on a paper and our teach who had long white hair that she'd play with like Cher read them. My one friend asked if she were a lesbian. She skipped that question. But that was really it. I remember bits and pieces of other classes but nothing that would necessarily make a semblance of a whole. I always figured all of education was like that. The info would stick but the hows and whys of how it got in my head didn't. I am weird, so maybe all of this should be disregarded. :mrgreen:
 
shuamort said:
Well, most of my life is a blur. I have a pretty crappy memory. Somethings stick out, I remember at the end of class we could all write questions anonymously on a paper and our teach who had long white hair that she'd play with like Cher read them. My one friend asked if she were a lesbian. She skipped that question. But that was really it. I remember bits and pieces of other classes but nothing that would necessarily make a semblance of a whole. I always figured all of education was like that. The info would stick but the hows and whys of how it got in my head didn't. I am weird, so maybe all of this should be disregarded. :mrgreen:
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:rofl its all cool shuamort!!! :cool:
 
wackestmc said:
By telling them that sex is something meant for heterosexuals, something meant for marriage, telling them what marriage should mean to them, that's what I'm talkng about.

Graphs, condoms, body parts whatever; that's fine. I'm talking about when they tell the children when they should have sex and with who. What if my kid is gay? What if he has a differant idea of what sex and marriage mean than the school does? The school's still going to try and tell my child what a normal American should do and that's not up to them.

Let me reiterate one more time so people can actually understand what I mean;

If a sex education class wants to tell my child what the organs are, how they work, how pregnancy and diseases work, and how to prevent them; AWESOME! Of course I'd want that knowledge available.

If a sex education class wants to tell my child what is right and wrong when it comes to their ethical, and their moral choices about using responsible sex, I have a problem. Again, I'm saying that when sex reaches a moral pretense in education, there's too many people defining others' lives and slashing other lifestyles down.
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I think everyone had you pegged wrong. This is probably how I would feel too, if I had kids.
 
Lizai said:
I think everyone had you pegged wrong. This is probably how I would feel too, if I had kids.
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Hahaha, no problem, man. I don't quite have kids yet-a little too young for that one-but this is how I see it now, and I'm proud to say I think it's reasonable enough that I'd hope I never change from that philosophy.
 
wackestmc said:
Hahaha, no problem, man. I don't quite have kids yet-a little too young for that one-but this is how I see it now, and I'm proud to say I think it's reasonable enough that I'd hope I never change from that philosophy.
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Whoa -- just looked at your profile, and you're only a year older than me! Your writing style makes you seem a lot older.

Anyway, getting back on track here, it's a good philosophy. Now someone come say something controversial so that we can have an actual debate.
 
Lizai said:
Whoa -- just looked at your profile, and you're only a year older than me! Your writing style makes you seem a lot older.

Anyway, getting back on track here, it's a good philosophy. Now someone come say something controversial so that we can have an actual debate.
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Brussel sprouts are disgusting. Will that work? :2razz:
 
Lizai said:
Whoa -- just looked at your profile, and you're only a year older than me! Your writing style makes you seem a lot older.

Anyway, getting back on track here, it's a good philosophy. Now someone come say something controversial so that we can have an actual debate.
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Controversial, eh?

QUERRS DON'T BELONG IN AMURICA!

Sorry, couldn't hlep that one.:rofl
 
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