The government finally connects the line from Trump’s campaign to Russian intelligence

[Subieguy]

Unbelievable is this very silly post.
They are back to Russia, Russia, Russia!
People on the left still believe that garabge!

and the hard right DENIES DENIES DENIES! OOOPS!!!

 

[HangLow]

On Thursday, the Treasury Department unveiled new sanctions against the Russian government linked to its apparent hack of U.S. government networks. But the news release also included a statement clearly answering our second question above.​

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“During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Kilimnik provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy. Additionally, Kilimnik sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the statement read.​

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“Kilimnik has also sought to assist designated former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. At Yanukovych’s direction, Kilimnik sought to institute a plan that would return Yanukovych to power in Ukraine,” it read.​

Yanukovych was a member of the pro-Russian party for which Manafort had worked, the Party of Regions.​

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That one sentence, though, appears to finally complete the long-speculated line from Trump’s campaign to Russian intelligence. It goes like this, according to the aggregated information compiled by various parts of the government:​

• Trump hires
• Manafort to run his campaign. Manafort then orders
• Gates, his deputy, to provide polling and strategy information to
• Kilimnik, their longtime colleague and, according to the Senate committee, a Russian intelligence officer. Kilimnik then shares that information with
• Russian intelligence agents.

Collusion, definition: "An often secret action taken by two or more parties to achieve an illegal or improper purpose."

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[TomFitz]

Well, more precisely, although the Mueller Report, Part II, listed many instances of obstruction of justice, Mueller wrote that the DOJ ruling that sitting presidents couldn't be indicted. Therefore, Mueller felt it wouldn't be fair to Trump to accuse him of a crime in the report since there couldn't be court trial until after he left office. Mueller left that up to DOJ and Congress.

Yes, it was a veritable catalog of obstruction of justice, More than 200 pages worth, all documented, witnessed and attested to.

But Trump has an Attorney General who would look the other way and a GOP congress that would too. So, it hardly mattered.

But the facts don’t go away, no matter how hard the Trumpsters repeat their tired slogans and denials.

 

[TomFitz]

Nonsense.

I haven't said a word about anyone in prison being freed. I'm debunking the CT that Trump colluded with the Russians.

He did no such thing.

No, you’re not.

You’re just making false and baseless statements that you can’t back up with a single fact.

 

[dixon01767]

At this point, we can safely conclude that both the Trump campaign, Clinton campaign and the Obama Admin were duped by a Russian intelligence operation.

Well, except with Trump it lead nowhere. With Obama it lead to 3 years of illegitimate investigations.

 

[dixon01767]

Well, more precisely, although the Mueller Report, Part II, listed many instances of obstruction of justice,

No it didnt. And even if it had risen to the level of obstruction, it would have been obstruction of the injustice of an illegitimate investigation

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Only one of those three middlemen worked for the Trump campaign.

A man sees what he wants to see, And disregards the rest.

Paul Simon

But what a fool believes he sees
No wise man has the power to reason away

The Doobie Brothers

 

[TimPatriot]

On Thursday, the Treasury Department unveiled new sanctions against the Russian government linked to its apparent hack of U.S. government networks. But the news release also included a statement clearly answering our second question above.​

​

“During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Kilimnik provided the Russian Intelligence Services with sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy. Additionally, Kilimnik sought to promote the narrative that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election,” the statement read.​

​

“Kilimnik has also sought to assist designated former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. At Yanukovych’s direction, Kilimnik sought to institute a plan that would return Yanukovych to power in Ukraine,” it read.​

Yanukovych was a member of the pro-Russian party for which Manafort had worked, the Party of Regions.​

​

That one sentence, though, appears to finally complete the long-speculated line from Trump’s campaign to Russian intelligence. It goes like this, according to the aggregated information compiled by various parts of the government:​

• Trump hires
• Manafort to run his campaign. Manafort then orders
• Gates, his deputy, to provide polling and strategy information to
• Kilimnik, their longtime colleague and, according to the Senate committee, a Russian intelligence officer. Kilimnik then shares that information with
• Russian intelligence agents.

Collusion, definition: "An often secret action taken by two or more parties to achieve an illegal or improper purpose."

There is nothing new here. Mueller would have known all this - he indicted a bunch of Russians - but still did not come up with anything tying Trump to Russia. Strategy and polling data is hardly sensitive information even if it was shared.

What would be damning is if Putin or high level Russians were compensated by the Trump campaign to provide information that allowed them to steal the election. You know, like if Hillary had peed on a bunch of hookers in a Russian hotel and gave Trump a copy of the tape.

 

[Clicker III]

Curiously, amid all the histrionics from the loony bin, near the end of a very boring hit piece we get this.
" It’s important to note that there is 1) no evidence at this point that Trump knew about the sharing of that information or 2) that Russia did much with the information it obtained. There were targeted ads from Russian actors during the campaign, but there remains no good evidence that those ads were targeted with insider information (much less well-targeted in general) nor that they had much of an effect. "

 

[TomFitz]

Curiously, amid all the histrionics from the loony bin, near the end of a very boring hit piece we get this.
" It’s important to note that there is 1) no evidence at this point that Trump knew about the sharing of that information or 2) that Russia did much with the information it obtained. There were targeted ads from Russian actors during the campaign, but there remains no good evidence that those ads were targeted with insider information (much less well-targeted in general) nor that they had much of an effect. "

Do you honestly believe that you’re going to be able to hide behind that excuse???

Why would the Russians want all the Trump campaign’s internal polling? (I’ll leave that as an open ended question, which should give your imagination free reign!).

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Hillary's campaign hired Fusion GPS, who hired Steele, who worked with Russians...if we're going to go this route.

But it was a literal goal of the Trump campaign to collude with Russia. We don’t have to play “six degrees of Sean Hannity” to get there.

 

[TomFitz]

Trumpism lives. You know that this info was kept secret under Trump. I'm happy to see us standing up for ourselves again.

I don’t know how secret it really was.

If you really paid attention as the pieces came together, the outline presented in writing yesterday was fairly evident as early as late 2017.

There really wasn’t much of anything in that report that I had not already figured out. Something most people could have done by simply looking over the voluminous documentation and the reporting.

Scandals like this one rarely present themselves in the chronological order in which the events occurred. Watergate didn’t.

One had to wait almost to the conclusion and go back the piece the reporting and evidence into a chronological narrative.

There is nothing new here.
The Senate had already concluded that Mr. Kilmnik was a Russian agent.
It also concluded that Mr. Manafort did not know this.
Thus ends collusion.

What has been shown is that Russia targeted the 2016 election-- which we already knew.
Both candidates and the Obama Admin fell for it-- the Trump campaign as described above.
The Clinton campaign and the Obama Admin with regards to the Steele dossier

Manafort was fully aware of Kilimnik’s role. Kilimnik was Manafort’s go to when he was working for the Russians in Ukraine.

Suggesting otherwise is preposterous!

 

[TomFitz]

The intelligence agencies say that Russia sought to screw with the 2016 election.
Nobody really denies that.
The allegation that really matters is the one that says that Mr. Trump participated in that Russian effort. That's the 'fanfic."

That’s funny.

Because you Trumpsters denied it. None of you were going to admit that you had fallen for fake news manaufactured by the FSB and fed into your social media feeds.

Even though that effort had become obvious by September of 2016, and every Trumpster with a FB account was bombarded with it regularly. Most of you promoted it by sharing it and liking it.

 

[jpn]

There is nothing new here.

Trump campaign chair Manafort shared proprietary data that the Russians used to help Trump.

Did Trump order Manafort to share the data? Who knows.

Was Trump aware? Ditto.

Did Trump benefit? Yes.

Did Trump approve? Well, he pardoned the guy who did it.

 

[dixon01767]

Trump campaign chair Manafort shared proprietary data that the Russians used to help Trump.

You imagined that part where Russia used the data in any fashion, let alone use it to help Trump.

Did Trump approve? Well, he pardoned the guy who did it.

Manafort wasnt charged with anything regarding the election campaign.

 

[poweRob]

Only one of those three middlemen worked for the Trump campaign.

He didn't just work for it, he was the campaign. Campaign chairman.

 

[Mycroft]

He didn't just work for it, he was the campaign. Campaign chairman.

So what?

 

[poweRob]

So what?

So sad watching you repeatedly do this play down tactic. Your lying klan just got busted lying... again.

 

[poweRob]

Every single last trumper in here is working the Monty Python Black Knight denial angle. It is exquisitely hilarious.

 

[Athanasius68]

That’s funny.

Because you Trumpsters denied it. None of you were going to admit that you had fallen for fake news manaufactured by the FSB and fed into your social media feeds.

Even though that effort had become obvious by September of 2016, and every Trumpster with a FB account was bombarded with it regularly. Most of you promoted it by sharing it and liking it.

I never denied Russia screwed with the election.
I did deny that the Trump and or his campaign conspired with Russia in that effort.

 

[Athanasius68]

Manafort was fully aware of Kilimnik’s role. Kilimnik was Manafort’s go to when he was working for the Russians in Ukraine.

Suggesting otherwise is preposterous!

Kilmnik worked for John McCain for years.
If the good senator of Arizona was happy with him, what is Manafort going to say?
The point here is simply this: The Senate report said that Manafort did not know Kilmnick was a Russian agent. You are free to think this preposterous, but it doesn't really change anything.

 

[Athanasius68]

You keep zig zagging back and forth between declaring the Trump campaign colluded to they didn’t collude, but everyone else did.

No wonder you feel safe saying htis stuff, it’s all made up bullshit.

No. I am saying that Russia targeted the 2016 election.
And that the Trump campaign as well as the Clinton campaign and the Obama Admin tangled themselves up in it.

 

[Athanasius68]

What a bunch of empty BS.

Paul Manafort was a Russian asset long before he became Trump’s campaign manager. Trump knew it. Stone knew it.

Trump has been on the hook to Russian gangsters since the 1990’s.

Trump spent the entire 2016 campaign sending Cohen back and forth to be diddled by Putin’s men over Trump’s fantasy of a Trump Tower Moscow.

Trump is no victim, no matter how hard his fellow losers try and paint him as one.

He is the one who invited Russian intelligence officials to a meeting in his campaign headquarters during the campaign.

Talk about empty bs. You seem to think its still 2017.

 

[Parrish]

Hillary's campaign hired Fusion GPS, who hired Steele, who worked with Russians...if we're going to go this route.

Not even close. And don't forget that Paulie worked for free.

 

[jpn]

No. I am saying that Russia targeted the 2016 election.
And that the Trump campaign as well as the Clinton campaign and the Obama Admin tangled themselves up in it.

It's interesting to see which posts you respond to, and which you choose to ignore. Like this one (post #71 in this thread):

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Athanasius68 said:
The Senate had already concluded that Mr. Kilmnik was a Russian agent.
It also concluded that Mr. Manafort did not know this.

Aunt Antifa said:
Complete bullshit.

Athanasius68 said:
Its what the Senate said.

Here's the Senate report. Page vi says:

"(U) Manafort hired and worked increasingly closely with a Russian national, Konstantin Kilimnik. Kilimnik is a Russian intelligence officer. Kilimnik became an integral part of Manafort's operations in Ukraine and Russia, serving as Manafort's primary liaison to Deripaska and eventually managing Manafort's office in Kyiv. Kilimnik and Manafort formed a close and lasting relationship that endured to the 2016 U.S. elections. and beyond."

Score: Aunt Antifa 1; Athanasius68 0.