The good the U.S. has done in Iraq... (1 Viewer)

[Davo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060406/ap_on_re_mi_ea/deaths_of_iraqis

How did this happen? Why are these people afraid of their liberators?

 

[cherokee]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060406/ap_on_re_mi_ea/deaths_of_iraqis

How did this happen? Why are these people afraid of their liberators?

You just like to troll dont you?

 

[Davo]

You just like to troll dont you?

Dont understand that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Cherokee:
You just like to troll dont you?

He posts a link that offers evidence of American atrocities in Iraq and you call him a troll. You told me that you were interested in truth and justice. However, it looks like your just making excuses for people who kill innocent women and children. If that's what you call justice, I don't want any part of it.

 

[justone]

AP Photo: A women and children walk under protection of a US military patrol to look at the damage from a terrorist bombing with a hope that none of their relatives was hurt in the bombing .

 

[ProudAmerican]

I prefer to blame the suicide bombers for that mans fear, rather than the brave American soldiers that are there to help him.

but thats because I really do support America......rather than falsley claiming to.

and i cant believe you found a negative oped piece by an AP writer. thats unheard of.

 

[cherokee]

He posts a link that offers evidence of American atrocities in Iraq and you call him a troll. You told me that you were interested in truth and justice. However, it looks like your just making excuses for people who kill innocent women and children. If that's what you call justice, I don't want any part of it.

Its an AP pic billo...Can you tell whats going on by a pic?

And btw its the same BS as in the other posts.

Until people are charged and found guilty.
Guilty being the KEY word..
I wont take it for face value like the news will.............

 

[cherokee]

I prefer to blame the suicide bombers for that mans fear, rather than the brave American soldiers that are there to help him.
but thats because I really do support America......rather than falsley claiming to.

Oh chit! we agree on something......

 

[KCConservative]

He posts a link that offers evidence of American atrocities in Iraq and you call him a troll. You told me that you were interested in truth and justice. However, it looks like your just making excuses for people who kill innocent women and children. If that's what you call justice, I don't want any part of it.

In wars throughout history, there have always been innocent casualties. It sucks, billo, but it happens. Close your eyes. Thankfully there are soldiers ready to serve and protect you anyway. You can thank them later.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by KCConservative:
In wars throughout history, there have always been innocent casualties. It sucks, billo, but it happens. Close your eyes. Thankfully there are soldiers ready to serve and protect you anyway. You can thank them later.

I would tend to agree. However, they are not protecting me in Iraq. Iraq was not a threat to anyone. We made sure of that in the first Persian Gulf war. We made sure of that through ten years of sanctions that killed half their young. For Christs' sake, it only took us 100 hours to wup'em the first time. They were not a threat to the United States. That's why this war is so wrong. We have set a new precedent that may come back to haunt us. I hope it doesn't, but we haven't reduced any threats. But we have made more enemies.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Cherokee:
Its an AP pic billo...Can you tell whats going on by a pic?

And btw its the same BS as in the other posts.

Until people are charged and found guilty.
Guilty being the KEY word..
I wont take it for face value like the news will.............

You remind me of a line in a Bob Dylan song, "How many times can a man turn his head, pretending he just doesn't see!"

 

[alphamale]

You remind me of a line in a Bob Dylan song, "How many times can a man turn his head, pretending he just doesn't see!"

Lessee .... was that what you were doing when Saddam was killing millions of people? You have selective Dylanism?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by alphamale
Lessee .... was that what you were doing when Saddam was killing millions of people? You have selective Dylanism?

There's no denying Hussein was evil. But were doing an awful lot of killing ourselves. Quite frankly, I'm appauled by it. I'm ashamed of what were doing in Iraq.

 

[alphamale]

There's no denying Hussein was evil. But were doing an awful lot of killing ourselves. Quite frankly, I'm appauled by it. I'm ashamed of what were doing in Iraq.

Which wars were there in which innocent people didn't die? Which wars there in which some soldiers didn't crack up on the battlefield and commit war crimes?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by alphamale
Which wars were there in which innocent people didn't die? Which wars there in which some soldiers didn't crack up on the battlefield and commit war crimes?

What's your point? That we should accept the atrocities being done in our name? That we should stay quiet when our country is making a mockery of International Law and the Nuremberg Principles? That we should look the other way as our country goes down the same road the Romans did years ago with our unconscionable acts of aggression? That we should believe the lies were told by our arrogant and intolerant leaders? Is this what your suggesting?

 

[Davo]

Which wars were there in which innocent people didn't die? Which wars there in which some soldiers didn't crack up on the battlefield and commit war crimes?

The way I see it is....you have this attitude about the war because it's not next door to you.

Americans have never felt a war the way their adversaries have and I applaud this - they're the smartest nation when it comes to war. They never have a war on their turff(excluding the civil war).Now if any of you had bombs blowing up the trailers next door to you....or if you knew a trip to your local market might be your last...I think you would have a different feeling about wars. You dont have to worry about your son being blown up when he goes to school. You dont have to worry about stray bullets when you're sleeping.

Alphamale you have the attitude of "boys will be boys" when it comes to war. Today it is unnacceptable that any soldier in the U.S. army goes haywire considering all the tax dollars you give so they can have psychologists on their bases. I dont know if soldiers pass a psychological test before they get in the army but they should - It's not the 70s anymore and this is not 'Nam. People who just want to "shoot rag-heads and blow the rugs off chicks" shouldnt be allowed in the army .

This is however not my original question my question was : Why are the Iraqi people so scared of their "liberators"?

Proud American : Questioning the army and your goverment to you seems unamerican. But since I'm not an American(even though I have U.S. citizenship) it doesnt really apply to me. Your founding fathers wanted to give you the right to question your goverment's actions. Supporting your troops is very american...blindly trusting anything they do isnt.The day you learn the difference between your given right to ask questions and demand awnsers and blindly beliving anything your goverment does you'll understand.

Its an AP pic billo...Can you tell whats going on by a pic?

And btw its the same BS as in the other posts.

Until people are charged and found guilty.
Guilty being the KEY word..
I wont take it for face value like the news will.............

Are you one of those people who think O.J. Simpson was innocent? Wait no, you must be one of those people who thought those cops in the Rodney King beatings were also innocent. NO wait I know...you're one of those people who...cant see fecal matter until it's in their nose.

 

[ProudAmerican]

Proud American : Questioning the army and your goverment to you seems unamerican. But since I'm not an American(even though I have U.S. citizenship) it doesnt really apply to me. Your founding fathers wanted to give you the right to question your goverment's actions. Supporting your troops is very american...blindly trusting anything they do isnt.The day you learn the difference between your given right to ask questions and demand awnsers and blindly beliving anything your goverment does you'll understand.

I believe the time to ask questions is before the troops leave for war, and after they return home.
while they are in harms way, they deserve the publics full support. period.

to question the troops actions while they are at war is unamerican, unpatriotic, and downright treasonous.

questioning their motives while they are at war simply costs lives. the government can not properly fight a war and play politics to the cowards marching in protest at the same time.

cry and moan all you want before the war starts, and after the troops are done with their job, but once the bullets start flying, they deserve the full support of the American people.

 

[MSgt]

I would tend to agree. However, they are not protecting me in Iraq. Iraq was not a threat to anyone. We made sure of that in the first Persian Gulf war. We made sure of that through ten years of sanctions that killed half their young. For Christs' sake, it only took us 100 hours to wup'em the first time. They were not a threat to the United States. That's why this war is so wrong. We have set a new precedent that may come back to haunt us. I hope it doesn't, but we haven't reduced any threats. But we have made more enemies.

Life isn't just about you and your snuggly existence behind American borders, 'Billo.' We are a (the) super power in the world, and we protect the interests of all of our "allies." Free trade and ecomonic securities needs to be kept stable. Saddam had threatened that three times and now he will not be able to threaten it a fourth. With his atack into Iran, he threatened the world's oil stability and encouraged Iran to export their vision of an Islamic region - not in your best interests. With his attack into Kuwait, he threatened the world's oil stability and endangered it even further with a frightened Saudi Arabia - not in your best interests. With the encouragements to Palestinian suicide bombers through family pay offs as "condolence," he continued to encourage the Palestinian/Israeli conflict right along side the Iranian and Saudi elite - not in your best interests. You should think twice about what you consider to be "protecting you."

Do you have a car?
Are you sick of the Palestininan/Israeli conflict and it's use as an excuse by religious fanatics and terorrists to launch on us?

Turning our backs on our allies and leaving the Middle East as the world struggles for oil, because they can't behave themselves, just because a small fraction of Muslim extremists wish it, is not acceptable.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by GySgt:
Life isn't just about you and your snuggly existence behind American borders, 'Billo.' We are a (the) super power in the world, and we protect the interests of all of our "allies." Free trade and ecomonic securities needs to be kept stable. Saddam had threatened that three times and now he will not be able to threaten it a fourth. With his atack into Iran, he threatened the world's oil stability and encouraged Iran to export their vision of an Islamic region - not in your best interests. With his attack into Kuwait, he threatened the world's oil stability and endangered it even further with a frightened Saudi Arabia - not in your best interests. With the encouragements to Palestinian suicide bombers through family pay offs as "condolence," he continued to encourage the Palestinian/Israeli conflict right along side the Iranian and Saudi elite - not in your best interests. You should think twice about what you consider to be "protecting you."

Do you have a car?
Are you sick of the Palestininan/Israeli conflict and it's use as an excuse by religious fanatics and terorrists to launch on us?

Turning our backs on our allies and leaving the Middle East as the world struggles for oil, because they can't behave themselves, just because a small fraction of Muslim extremists wish it, is not acceptable.

I'm a little confused because I thought the only reason we became friends with Iraq was because they were fighting Iran. We sold them arms just to do that! Now your saying that us funding Iraq's war with Iran was actually a threat to us. Man, that was dizzy.

I know some of this comes with the territory with supporting our allies around the world. But a lot of these problems are a direct result of our military aggression around the world. We support brutal regimes just as much as the ones we topple. The world sees this for what it is and that's one of the driving factors behind the terrorism we are seeing. The world is very uneasy right now because of us. And we are the main reason for destabilizing peace.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ProudAmerican:
I believe the time to ask questions is before the troops leave for war, and after they return home.
while they are in harms way, they deserve the publics full support. period.

to question the troops actions while they are at war is unamerican, unpatriotic, and downright treasonous.

questioning their motives while they are at war simply costs lives. the government can not properly fight a war and play politics to the cowards marching in protest at the same time.

cry and moan all you want before the war starts, and after the troops are done with their job, but once the bullets start flying, they deserve the full support of the American people.

What are you talking about? It was a coward that sent them to war in the first place.

 

[ProudAmerican]

it would be nice if you could actually respond to something directly, instead of making unfounded, idiotic accusations about someone.

I think my point about the government not being able to properly fight a war because they are dealing with politics here at home is a legitimate one.

and you calling the president a coward is like me calling you a homosexual.

neither of us has any clue if our accusation is correct.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ProudAmerican:
it would be nice if you could actually respond to something directly, instead of making unfounded, idiotic accusations about someone.

I think my point about the government not being able to properly fight a war because they are dealing with politics here at home is a legitimate one.

and you calling the president a coward is like me calling you a homosexual.

neither of us has any clue if our accusation is correct.

He's a deserter! To me, that's a coward. He left his post in a time of war. Which is a capitol offence. And there hasn't been one document showing where he was for a year and a half. So, yeah, it's proven.

 

[ProudAmerican]

nope. its not proven.

if it were, I would denounce him as my president.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ProudAmerican:
nope. its not proven.

if it were, I would denounce him as my president.

Then at the very least, without rendering a judgement as to why, don't you find it extremely odd that the military would lose track of one of their own for a year and a half?

 

[ProudAmerican]

Then at the very least, without rendering a judgement as to why, don't you find it extremely odd that the military would lose track of one of their own for a year and a half?

I find it much stranger that he could desert the military for a hear and a half without being treated like one.

I know the left has a theory that Bush had all this clout with his family name.....but Im just not convinced the military would overlook such a thing.

I also think the double standard is funny.

Bush joined the military to dodge the draft and became a fighter pilot because he wouldnt have to worry about fighting.

then in the next breath.....Bush deserted the military because he didnt want to fight.

either he joined and there was a danger of fighting, and he is just as brave as anyone else that ever joined......or there was no danger and he had no reason to desert.

which is it?