The future of the gop. How do you see it unfolding?

[bongsaway]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

 

[lurchadams]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

They're done. They've lost all credibility. That and they're latest Jim Crow voting rights rollback campaign? Not even their biggest tit-suckers, corporations are supporting them any longer.

Done.

 

[calamity]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

Trump is undermining it. So...I'd say the GOP is about as ****ed as Matt Gaetz.

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[Slartibartfast]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

Given that they are pretty much being laughed at, the business establishment is revolting against them, and all their antics have not changed Biden's popularity at all, they will need to rethink their platform.

Voter suppression can only go so far and its not a viable end game in and of itself but at best a delaying tactic.

 

[bluesmoke]

The Reps never had cred with me. But Nixon's looking better and better, and the Dems dumber and dumber.

 

[KLATTU]

They're done. They've lost all credibility. That and they're latest Jim Crow voting rights rollback campaign? Not even their biggest tit-suckers, corporations are supporting them any longer.

Done.

Jim Crow.
Daily chuckle.
Boy you guys sure know how to spout the cliches. don't you?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

Understand I have no ideological alignment to the GOP, but there is still a strong conservative base in this nation. Strip away all the chaos of Trumpism and White Nationalism, there is a leaning right populace out there that has no racists intentions, has no real interest in causing problems for anyone else, and just wants less government interference in their lives.

74,216,154 people voted for Trump and it is prejudicial and intellectually lazy to brand them all as what Trump himself is.

Not all of them are wealthy or cheat on their 3rd wives with porn stars, I would argue most are people who are detached from politics and further alienated from the rhetoric of the furthest left or right.

And that brings me to my point, even if the number drops to 40 million when you cut away the lunatics there is room to align all of them with representation that is not Trump loving Qanon bat shit crazy. By the basic polling and demographic data available that number is still larger than minorities, number of those who are Jewish, the number of NRA members, the number of atheists / agnostics, the number of gays and lesbians, etc.

That does not mean they have to be inherently opposing ideologies, the real point is that is a large number of people who *should* be at the table of discussion.

Besides, if you all give yourself celebratory likes for talking about the death of the GOP the last thing this nation needs is single party rule. That is how you end up with Russia, China, in a way Saudi Arabia, and other authoritarian disasters around the globe who weaponize governance against their opposition.

And if you listen to the furthest left today, they seem all to happy with the idea of harming opposition even if by cancel culture isolation and the same subhuman treatment the southeastern states used to do to minorities.

If anything the GOP will shift, we have no choice but to encourage it.

 

[Mycroft]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

The fog created by the Republican Party civil war and the Dem interference in that war makes it impossible to predict the outcome.

You are basically asking whether the GOP Elites or their rank and file will come out on top. We just don't know yet.

 

[bongsaway]

Understand I have no ideological alignment to the GOP, but there is still a strong conservative base in this nation. Strip away all the chaos of Trumpism and White Nationalism, there is a leaning right populace out there that has no racists intentions, has no real interest in causing problems for anyone else, and just wants less government interference in their lives.

74,216,154 people voted for Trump and it is prejudicial and intellectually lazy to brand them all as what Trump himself is.

Not all of them are wealthy or cheat on their 3rd wives with porn stars, I would argue most are people who are detached from politics and further alienated from the rhetoric of the furthest left or right.

And that brings me to my point, even if the number drops to 40 million when you cut away the lunatics there is room to align all of them with representation that is not Trump loving Qanon bat shit crazy. By the basic polling and demographic data available that number is still larger than minorities, number of those who are Jewish, the number of NRA members, the number of atheists / agnostics, the number of gays and lesbians, etc.

That does not mean they have to be inherently opposing ideologies, the real point is that is a large number of people who *should* be at the table of discussion.

Besides, if you all give yourself celebratory likes for talking about the death of the GOP the last thing this nation needs is single party rule. That is how you end up with Russia, China, in a way Saudi Arabia, and other authoritarian disasters around the globe who weaponize governance against their opposition.

And if you listen to the furthest left today, they seem all to happy with the idea of harming opposition even if by cancel culture isolation and the same subhuman treatment the southeastern states used to do to minorities.

If anything the GOP will shift, we have no choice but to encourage it.

I understand what you are saying and I'm sure there are indeed real conservatives who are not insane. However after four years of trump some still don't want to change, they want trump back. I wish I could say it was about ideologies but at this point it isn't, it's all about power for the right. Am I supposed to support their actions of january the sixth? They don't seem to be changing. It seems to me it's the right who will use anything to gain power, even force.

 

[bongsaway]

The fog created by the Republican Party civil war and the Dem interference in that war makes it impossible to predict the outcome.

You are basically asking whether the GOP Elites or their rank and file will come out on top. We just don't know yet.

The elites again. Why would the dems interfere with the R's shooting themselves in the foot, over and over?

 

[OrphanSlug]

I understand what you are saying and I'm sure there are indeed real conservatives who are not insane. However after four years of trump some still don't want to change, they want trump back. I wish I could say it was about ideologies but at this point it isn't, it's all about power for the right. Am I supposed to support their actions of january the sixth? They don't seem to be changing. It seems to me it's the right who will use anything to gain power, even force.

It seems to be you have generalized the entire group just because they did not vote for Biden or stay home, all the way up to branding the entire group as being supportive of January 6.

And you've illustrated my point for me, again, you have become proudly prejudicial.

You have no context, no polling, nothing other than assumption to brand all 74,216,154 people who voted for Trump of really being in alignment with everything that is Trump.

 

[Mycroft]

The elites again. Why would the dems interfere with the R's shooting themselves in the foot, over and over?

When your opponent is knocked down by someone, it's smart for you to get your kick in, too.

 

[lurchadams]

Jim Crow.
Daily chuckle.
Boy you guys sure know how to spout the cliches. don't you?

As do you! "Death Panels", "Death Taxes", "Baby Killer" "Secret Muslim". We learned that from your criminal political sleazballs, my friend.

 

[j brown's body]

Become a paramilitary group?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

In time, it’ll hopefully rebound and see those true Republicans that have left the party because of Trump/Trumpism return, and those that have and continue to disgrace the principles of the Party of Lincoln, appropriately ejected.

 

[bongsaway]

It seems to be you have generalized the entire group just because they did not vote for Biden or stay home, all the way up to branding the entire group as being supportive of January 6.

And you've illustrated my point for me, again, you have become proudly prejudicial.

You have no context, no polling, nothing other than assumption to brand all 74,216,154 people who voted for Trump of really being in alignment with everything that is Trump.

Your opinion is noted. They voted for trump. I do not need any more information than that regardless of their reasons. Yes, I despise today's gop and will continue to despise the party as long as they keep talking and acting crazy.

 

[Torus34]

The answer may lie in the characteristics of segments of the American population and, specifically, the voters. One to watch is the percent of Americans who are willing to follow a populist authoritarian who claims to have the answers and who will get things done no matter how it has to be accomplished. This group helps to provide the fertile ground for the seed of single party government to sprout and grow.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[KLATTU]

y keep talking and acting crazy.

don't you just hate crazy talk..
Rashida Tlaib

@RashidaTlaib
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Apr 12


It wasn't an accident. Policing in our country is inherently & intentionally racist. Daunte Wright was met with aggression & violence. I am done with those who condone government funded murder. No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can't be reformed.


Biden went on to describe the new laws—which would place ID requirements on voting and limit the use of ballot drop boxes—as “Jim Crow on steroids.”

{twirling finger around forehead}

 

[Perotista]

Some folks think it's bright, others, not so much. What do you see for the future of the gop in the next eight years?

I study independents and their voting habits. I don't see the Republican Party winning them back as long as their the party of Trump. Now the Democrats could very easily go too far left which seems they are in the process of doing which probably would drive the majority of independents back to the Republican Party regardless of Trump. Here's an example of big swings by independents when they get angry.

2006 independents angry at Bush and Republican rule, they voted Democratic by a margin of 57-39 over Republicans with 4% voting third party.

2010 Independents angry at the Democrats and Obama for the bank bailouts and the ACA, 2010 independents voted 56-37 Republican over Democrat with 7% voting third party. Notice the big swing, from a plus 18 points for the Democrats in 2006 to a minus of 19 points in 2010. Needless to say, the Democrats reclaimed the House in 2006 and the Republicans regained the House in 2020.

Now the most recent elections

2016 Independents voted for Trump 46-42 with 12% voting third party. In congressional election independents voted Republican 51-47. Independents gave Trump the White House mainly because they disliked Hillary Clinton more than Trump while the GOP retained control of the house.

2018 Independents really began to dislike Trump because of his very distasteful personality and unpresidential behavior. They voted for the Democratic congressional candidates by a 54-42 margin with 4% voting third party. Here again is an example of a huge swing, from a plus 4 in congressional elections 2016 to a minus 12 from the Republicans in 2018.

2020 Independents voted for Biden 54-41 with 5% voting third party. In Congressional elections independents voted Democratic 50-48. For Trump, he went from a plus 4 to a minus 13 among independents. Independents really dislike this guy.

My point, independents will decide not only the fate of the GOP, but of the Democrats in the upcoming 2022 midterms and the 2024 presidential election. If Biden and company can avoid making independents angry at them, their dislike of Trump and the party of Trump will provide success for the Democrats in both elections. All bets are off if Biden and company make independents angry at them even though they don't like Trump which may result in a successful election in both 2022 and 2024.

I see signs of Biden and the Democrats beginning to rub independents the wrong way. Probably not enough to damper their hopes for 2022, but cracks are showing. So I'll continue to watch independents. As for the future of the GOP, I don't care. It would be a good idea for the Democrats to realize that their base doesn't make up 100% of America. That independents voted for a moderate presidential candidate and as a check on them moving too far to the left, many of those independents who voted for Biden, voted Republican down ballot. They want the Democrats to know this country is made up of more than just the Democratic base. It is made up of Democrats, republicans and independents along with those who don't give an owl's hoot about politics. Playing only to one's base will result in a resurgence for the Republicans regardless of Trump. Stay tuned, as I see it today, this is exactly what the Democrats are doing.

 

[bongsaway]

I study independents and their voting habits. I don't see the Republican Party winning them back as long as their the party of Trump. Now the Democrats could very easily go too far left which seems they are in the process of doing which probably would drive the majority of independents back to the Republican Party regardless of Trump. Here's an example of big swings by independents when they get angry.

2006 independents angry at Bush and Republican rule, they voted Democratic by a margin of 57-39 over Republicans with 4% voting third party.

2010 Independents angry at the Democrats and Obama for the bank bailouts and the ACA, 2010 independents voted 56-37 Republican over Democrat with 7% voting third party. Notice the big swing, from a plus 18 points for the Democrats in 2006 to a minus of 19 points in 2010. Needless to say, the Democrats reclaimed the House in 2006 and the Republicans regained the House in 2020.

Now the most recent elections

2016 Independents voted for Trump 46-42 with 12% voting third party. In congressional election independents voted Republican 51-47. Independents gave Trump the White House mainly because they disliked Hillary Clinton more than Trump while the GOP retained control of the house.

2018 Independents really began to dislike Trump because of his very distasteful personality and unpresidential behavior. They voted for the Democratic congressional candidates by a 54-42 margin with 4% voting third party. Here again is an example of a huge swing, from a plus 4 in congressional elections 2016 to a minus 12 from the Republicans in 2018.

2020 Independents voted for Biden 54-41 with 5% voting third party. In Congressional elections independents voted Democratic 50-48. For Trump, he went from a plus 4 to a minus 13 among independents. Independents really dislike this guy.

My point, independents will decide not only the fate of the GOP, but of the Democrats in the upcoming 2022 midterms and the 2024 presidential election. If Biden and company can avoid making independents angry at them, their dislike of Trump and the party of Trump will provide success for the Democrats in both elections. All bets are off if Biden and company make independents angry at them even though they don't like Trump which may result in a successful election in both 2022 and 2024.

I see signs of Biden and the Democrats beginning to rub independents the wrong way. Probably not enough to damper their hopes for 2022, but cracks are showing. So I'll continue to watch independents. As for the future of the GOP, I don't care. It would be a good idea for the Democrats to realize that their base doesn't make up 100% of America. That independents voted for a moderate presidential candidate and as a check on them moving too far to the left, many of those independents who voted for Biden, voted Republican down ballot. They want the Democrats to know this country is made up of more than just the Democratic base. It is made up of Democrats, republicans and independents along with those who don't give an owl's hoot about politics. Playing only to one's base will result in a resurgence for the Republicans regardless of Trump. Stay tuned, as I see it today, this is exactly what the Democrats are doing.

I get your point and agree. What I don't agree with is your opinion that biden is going to far left. So far his two big proposals are in line with what the majority of americans want no matter how much the gop supporters deny it. The gop still hasn't decided what to do about trump and as long as he's on the loose with his mouth running it hurts the gop. Right now all I see from the republican party is more crazy and their endless ability to say no.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Your opinion is noted. They voted for trump. I do not need any more information than that regardless of their reasons. Yes, I despise today's gop and will continue to despise the party as long as they keep talking and acting crazy.

What is noted is you have no room to talk about any generalization of others from this point forward, further your prejudicial attitudes are also noted speaking greatly to the reasons we have such divisions in this nation today.

You are literally the exact same problem as White Nationalist Trump supporters.

 

[bongsaway]

What is noted is you have no room to talk about any generalization of others from this point forward, further your prejudicial attitudes are also noted speaking greatly to the reasons we have such divisions in this nation today.

You are literally the exact same problem as White Nationalist Trump supporters.

I beg to differ. The gop has earned my disgust. It used to be I didn't care for their political ideas but now I think they are evil and cruel. Unlike the white nationalists you are trying to compare me with, I do not support white nationalism, I don't condone the killing of innocent people regardless of their color because the cops are out of control. My prejudices have been put in place by the lying, scheming, win at all cost republicans. Stop the steal indeed.

 

[Perotista]

I get your point and agree. What I don't agree with is your opinion that biden is going to far left. So far his two big proposals are in line with what the majority of americans want no matter how much the gop supporters deny it. The gop still hasn't decided what to do about trump and as long as he's on the loose with his mouth running it hurts the gop. Right now all I see from the republican party is more crazy and their endless ability to say no.

Biden has one big problem, the border. The rest is like you say. The possible other problems that could make the party of Trump more attractive are the packing of the SCOTUS and reparations. Independents are against both. This isn't Biden in my opinion, its those Democrats in the congress and 2022 is an election all about congress.

I said cracks, but that is to be expected. Normal ups and downs. Usually anything that happens this year or the the rest of the year will have little to no effect on 2022. Americans have very short memories. That is unless it is something really big that gets independents angry at the party in power. That's always a possibility.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I beg to differ. The gop has earned my disgust. It used to be I didn't care for their political ideas but now I think they are evil and cruel. Unlike the white nationalists you are trying to compare me with, I do not support white nationalism, I don't condone the killing of innocent people regardless of their color because the cops are out of control. My prejudices have been put in place by the lying, scheming, win at all cost republicans. Stop the steal indeed.

I expected you to beg to differ, those who are most prejudiced tend to find reason to back up why they are prejudiced.

 

[bongsaway]

Biden has one big problem, the border. The rest is like you say. The possible other problems that could make the party of Trump more attractive are the packing of the SCOTUS and reparations. Independents are against both. This isn't Biden in my opinion, its those Democrats in the congress and 2022 is an election all about congress.

I said cracks, but that is to be expected. Normal ups and downs. Usually anything that happens this year or the the rest of the year will have little to no effect on 2022. Americans have very short memories. That is unless it is something really big that gets independents angry at the party in power. That's always a possibility.

The border. The border was 'in crisis' when reagan was president. What's new? The border problem has existed for a long, long time and neither party has done anything to solve our immigration problems.