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Hunh, but the most interesting part of the article is this:According to a recent article in the Times of London, the traditional French meal is eaten by only 20 percent of the population. Instead, they increasingly favor the abbreviated, on-the-go meals of Americans. The national rate of obesity is rising fast. While only 6 percent of the population was obese in 1990, today the proportion is 11.3 percent. That is still well behind the same figure for the United States (22 percent) but on track to match our levels by 2020. The French are not happy about it. In a parliamentary report last spring highlighting the dramatic increase in obesity, legislators proposed launching a new government agency to fight weight gain, to be funded by a tax on high-calorie or high-fat foods.
To each their own really, but, IMHO, the less government intrusion the better.Which brings us to the second way in which the American/French divide is more complicated than Guiliano acknowledges. The French accept a level of government paternalism that would not go over easily here.
, French women are not necessarily more balanced in their attitudes about food. While many people think of eating disorders like anorexia and bulimia as an American problem, they are, as far as can be measured (and these statistics should always be taken with some degree of skepticism), equally prevalent in France. In the United States, somewhere between 0.5 percent and 3.7 percent of women will be anorexic in their lifetimes, while 1.1. percent to 4.2 percent will suffer from bulimia. Between 2 percent and 5 percent of Americans binge eat. Among young French women, an estimated 1 percent to 3 percent are anorexic; 5 percent are bulimic; and 11 percent have compulsive eating behaviors. Certainly, young French women today are as interested in eating disorders as their American counterparts.
shuamort said:Uretha, you come back with a link about cancer?.
shuamort said:How about you stay on topic instead of hijacking every thread you entangle with your ignorance. .
shuamort said:Please stop with the ad hominem attacks too. They serve you nor this message board any good and they do not further discussion.
Tenuous relations at best. Of course, the UK's health is not germane to this topic. Please stay on task.Urethra Franklin said:Yes, intestinal cancers, widely known to be linked to obesity, poor nutrition, an over-reliance on junk food. Therein you find links to statistics on many other diseases often linked to nutrition and poverty. If you need further evidence as to the links between poor health, inequality and poverty I would point you towards "The Black Report: Inequalities in Health and the Health Divide" a Uk government report published in the UK by Penguin.
Ad hominem attack. Please refrain from this.Urethra Franklin said:I did stay on topic. Anybody with two neurones could see the link.
Urethra Franklin said:You give it out dear boy. You must learn to take it.
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In France and Italy, about one in three is overweight, and the proportion is rising. All told, about 1.2 billion people in the world are fat, and another 350 million are obese. Obesity-related illnesses, such as heart disease and diabetes, are rising.
shuamort said:Tenuous relations at best. Of course, the UK's health is not germane to this topic. Please stay on task
shuamort said:Ad hominem attack. Please refrain from this.
shuamort said:
shuamort said:Here's another bit of info from MSNBC:
And more:"noticeable rise in the prevalence of obesity" in France has led the ministry of health to recommend schools hand out free fruit and install more water fountains to encourage healthy habits in kids. Broader school programs involving diet and physical exercise are being launched in other countries, like Australia and Great Britain.
France is behind the US in obesity, but they're lumbering up quickly. Uretha, this shouldn't affect you too much since you're not French.Obesity. Like Visa, it´s everywhere you want to be. At least now it is. France and many other European nations are facing grave increases in obesity among their populations, specifically among adolescents (sound familiar?). A recent Sofres survey reveals that 11.3% of the French population is obese, with obesity rates rising 6% per year. So how does this happen in a nation that prides itself on portion control, balanced diet and plenty of red wine? I´ll tell you. Portion control seems to be passe and a balanced diet, highly debatable. Allow me to use as an example one of my favorite dishes, the "Salade Geante." It´s all in the name. Not only are these salads so large that they are served in pots, but also what would normally be a healthy meal is topped off with a mound of fried potatoes and cheese. In some circumstances the salad is further improved with ham, fried eggs, chicken livers or gizzards. The genesis of these salads is the Gascony region in southwest France, where organs and potatoes play an integral role in the cuisine.
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Obviously, these Big Macs of salads are not the sole contributor to France´s growing obesity problem. But I do like to utilize these luncheon salads as an example of the blatant disregard for health and portion control that certainly exists here. Obesity is a global phenomenon borne out of the inability or unwillingness to resist that which we desire. Whether eating a fried chicken salad in Atlanta or a salade geante in Paris, dining indulgence is a human trait that transcends cultures, languages and foreign policy.
Urethra Franklin said:You are obsessed with this topic. Have we touched a raw nerve?
Please stay on topic. The topic is "France's rising obesity". If you can't stay on topic, please open your own thread.Urethra Franklin said:As you responded with yet more quotes, do we take it the answer's yes?
shuamort said:Please stay on topic. The topic is "France's rising obesity". If you can't stay on topic, please open your own thread.
shuamort said:Uretha, you come back with a link about cancer? How about you stay on topic instead of hijacking every thread you entangle with your ignorance.
Please stop with the ad hominem attacks too. They serve you nor this message board any good and they do not further discussion.
Ad Hominem:Fried Rice said:Dear Shuamort - what language is "ad hominen" and what does it mean? Please sir - just simple explaination and not pages of links !!
Fried Rice has a useless dictionary
shuamort said:Ad Hominem:
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
Merriam-Webster's website, www.m-w.com, is a great free online dictionary.
shuamort said:Please stay on topic. The topic is "France's rising obesity". If you can't stay on topic, please open your own thread.
Obviously then you agree with my posting. I never claimed that France was surpassing the US, had surpassed the US, or was on the verge of surpassing the US. It's just become evident that obesity is rising in France as has been proving by many cites from many various sources and even your assertion above that France's obesity is rising as well. If you agree, why are you agruing? :roflUrethra Franklin said:Yes obesity is rising everywhere, France included, but nowhere beats the US.
shuamort said:(assumption is by 2020).
shuamort said:. I never claimed that France was surpassing the US, had surpassed the US, or was on the verge of surpassing the US. It's just become evident that obesity is rising in France as has been proving by many cites from many various sources and even your assertion above that France's obesity is rising as well. If you agree, why are you agruing? :rofl
Yup, that is the key word. That's why I put it in there. It's a theory and a valid one based on the increase of obesity that even you aren't denying. Of course, I don't need to build strawmen to support my position.Urethra Franklin said:Key word: assumption.
Yeah, news sources, articles, reports, cites, they're all wrong and only you are right. You can't seriously be going down that road with your strawmen, are you? As for your source, a report dated 1994-1996 (which is obviously disallowed since my cites have all had current data and the current data reflects a recent trend <10 years), the article does not address obesity, it discusses post hoc affects of it. There are links but they are not POST HOC.Urethra Franklin said:You accept everything you read as "fact" It's in the papers, it must be true
You accept blindly the "findings" of dubious sources, but ignore links which are not convenient for you to accept (the links between intestinal health and nutrition for example).
The thread was started so we can address the fact that France is indeed catching up the US. Instead of hijacking your dubious and annoying inflammatory hijacks in other threads or your own re: the US. If you don't like it, don't post. Simple as that. I can debate facts without ad hominem attacks or building strawmen all over the place. Le sigh.Urethra Franklin said:You avoid the isuue of why you started this thread in the first place: to try to get back at me after criticising folk for "ad hominem" attacks. Hypocrisy.
Lastly you are clutching at straws. Admit it, you started a duff thread. Get over it.
shuamort said:Yeah, news sources, articles, reports, cites, they're all wrong and only you are right. .
shuamort said:The thread was started so we can address the fact that France is indeed catching up the US..
shuamort said:Instead of hijacking your dubious and annoying inflammatory hijacks in other threads or your ownURL=http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=927&page=1&pp=10] re: the US.[/URL] If you don't like it, don't post. Simple as that...
Oh I think you've shown you can't. Very few of us can.shuamort said:I can debate facts without ad hominem attacks .
It's le soupire.shuamort said:Le sigh.
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