So nothing tangible, just partisan talking points from you.
Yet you can not provide a single one that can show that what Trump did had a direct result.There are 4 trillion reasons that are absolutely tangible
The only one having problems with reality is you.Now, I know that to a Never-Trumper, the real world is not a real thing.
Indeed.However, those who ignore reality are doomed to suffer.
I always do.You might want to open your eyes to the world around you and take advantage of the opportunities it presents.
Yet you can not provide a single one that can show that what Trump did had a direct result.
The only one having problems with reality is you.
Indeed.
I always do.
I am denying nothing, you are posting lies.And yet you deny reality.
Yet you can not specify a specific thing or things that Trump did that caused it. Sentiment is nice but it can not sustain anything in the long run and fact remains that Trump has not accomplished a single meningful thing to date.The Dow Jones rose at a documented rate during the 8 years following the Obama first term election and that rate anuallized rate was 980 points per year.
The Dow rose at a documented rate during the 8 months following the Trump first term election and that annualized rate was 4425.
What have I asserted that needs support?What actual, real world evidence do you present to support
Ah-ha! So advertising is not employed in any political campaigns outside of the Federal Presidential Campaign! Wow! This explains everything! EVERYTHING!
Eliminate the Electoral College and we will no longer suffer through campaign ads.
Your grasp of the use of advertising and its connection to the Electoral College is revolutionary and unique!
I am denying nothing, you are posting lies.
Yet you can not specify a specific thing or things that Trump did that caused it. Sentiment is nice but it can not sustain anything in the long run and fact remains that Trump has not accomplished a single meningful thing to date.
What have I asserted that needs support?
And you do not grasp the fact that sarcasm is never a good rebuttal.
D-
Try harder ...
PS: Dump the Electoral College and we just might get a Real Democracy ...
The problem is that the Electoral College exists precisely to eliminate real democracy, the tyranny of the majority.
We do not live in a "REAL DEMOCRACY". We live in a Federal Republic.
You are calling for a Constitutional Convention.
Bollocks, your "tyranny of the majority".
Where, ever, did you get such nonsense. From the Replicant School of Addle-headed Political Nonsense.
The essence of any democracy is the popular-vote. It is its life-blood. Otherwise, as happened with the Electoral College, what a nation gets is a Donald Dork and his unmitigated narcissism ...
You should read a dictionary.The problem is that the Electoral College exists precisely to eliminate real democracy, the tyranny of the majority.
We do not live in a "REAL DEMOCRACY". We live in a Federal Republic.
You are calling for a Constitutional Convention.
You should read a dictionary.
re·pub·lic noun
* a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
archaic
* a group with a certain equality between its members.
We are a federation of states with a republic form of government.
Do you think that is a fair tactic when you introduce evidence based on reality instead of the beliefs have because they want to have them?
Bollocks, your "tyranny of the majority".
Where, ever, did you get such nonsense. From the Replicant School of Addle-headed Political Nonsense.
The essence of any democracy is the popular-vote. It is its life-blood. Otherwise, as happened with the Electoral College, what a nation gets is a Donald Dork and his unmitigated narcissism ...
You should read a dictionary.
Republic
re·pub·lic noun
* a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
* a group with a certain equality between its members.
We are a federation of states with a republic form of government.
Exactly.
EVERYTHING you wrote supports my post.
In our Republic, EVERY STATE, as a member of the whole, is equal to each of the others. One of the most explicit expressions of this equality of the various members is the Electoral College.
Did you mean to oppose my views? If yes, you failed.
I do thank you for your endorsement.
You didn't have a clue what a "republic" is....and you still don't.
That you don't know this phrase is not at all surprising. It was widely considered at the founding of our Federal Republic. It seems to have slipped through your grasp of this topic.
You also seem to lack even a basic understanding of our form of government. Lacking any understanding of these concepts leaves you confused and ignorant.
I assume you're a Democrat.
Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy, measures for income redistribution, and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions.
Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism leading to greater democratic, egalitarian and consensus outcomes. The movement is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model in the Nordic countries—during the latter half of the 20th century.
Apparently the righties prefer the TYRANNY OF THE MINORITY. :doh:roll:
Actually majority rule with observance of minority rights is not tyranny at all. But the Trumpkins and righties seem to overlook that simple reality.
Majority rule is the "heart-blood" of any democracy. What infects that heart-blood is the manipulation of majority-rule of the popular vote by means of the Electoral College AND Gerrymandering
You didn't have a clue what a "republic" is....and you still don't.
The history of "your phrase" is irrelevant today - you are anchored in a two-century past that is no longer relevant. It's just anecdotal history, far less important than the present.
You (obviously) are ignorant of the fact that democracy means "all of the people, all of the time" - not segregated into those who have a lot and those who'd like to have a lot - and then the rest (40 million American men, women and children) who are living below the poverty threshold.
I am a Social Democrat - of which you are apparently ignorant. So, here is its definition:
You are anchored in the past defending a once-upon-a-time construction of America's republican democracy. Which erred in two destructive ways:
*The first was the Electoral College, which has no justification for the manipulation of the national popular vote.
*The second being gerrymandering that falsifies state local voting, again to manipulate the popular-vote.
Your republic has no relevancy whatsoever because it manipulates the popular vote to support a Rightist governance on both the national and statewide levels!
This last election was proof-positive of that fact ...
Majority rule is the "heart-blood" of any democracy. What infects that heart-blood is the manipulation of majority-rule of the popular vote by means of the Electoral College AND Gerrymandering.
No other country on earth (that I know of) manipulates the popular-vote in that party-collusive manner. It is not really a matter of "who is worse at manipulating the mechanism". Both parties do it because "that's the name of the game" under current rules.
It's time for Americans to become aware as to how dishonestly the game is played. A national referendum could do a world of good by renouncing the 12th amendment. Gerrymandering can be done away with by Congress.
Aint gonna happin? Yes, I am afraid so - not until Americans wake-up to the facts and WANT to change voting procedures ...
Majority rule is the "heart-blood" of any democracy. What infects that heart-blood is the manipulation of majority-rule of the popular vote by means of the Electoral College AND Gerrymandering.
No other country on earth (that I know of) manipulates the popular-vote in that party-collusive manner. It is not really a matter of "who is worse at manipulating the mechanism". Both parties do it because "that's the name of the game" under current rules.
It's time for Americans to become aware as to how dishonestly the game is played. A national referendum could do a world of good by renouncing the 12th amendment. Gerrymandering can be done away with by Congress.
Aint gonna happin? Yes, I am afraid so - not until Americans wake-up to the facts and WANT to change voting procedures ...
When the ignorant condemn based on their ignorance, it's really vary amusing. Sometimes it's also dangerous.
How can you post the definition of a Republic and STILL not get it? Didn't you read your own post?
I'll type slowly so you might understand: THE MEMBERS OF OUR FEDERAL REPUBLIC ARE THE VARIOUS STATES.
That will help if you can read.
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