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I am sorry that you are playing dumb. Have fun.
I'm not familiar with any religious views about abortion. You'll have to explain those.
I am sorry that you are playing dumb. Have fun.
In the US, religious freedom is simply an excuse used by the majority to persecute the minority under the guise of exercising honestly held beliefs while stripping those who do not believe these things of their rights.
Gays, women seeking birth control and abortions, atheists, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. know exactly what I am talking about. Christians will probably play the victim.
Well I don't get how the religious people are dictating anything by exercising their first amendment rights. And even if they were a tiny minority they should still have those rights.
We will only play the victim when we are not allowed to live our religion based on our own conscience. The Government has no right to make religious people to do those things against their will. The Bill of Rights are for the people to exercise their religion and express it in their own ways. The Bill of Rights is not for the Government's rights.
Exercising your rights and legislating your personal religious beliefs aren't exactly one and the same. Don't like abortion? Don't get one.
OM
Well it isn't really religious. The argument from the pro-life position is that life begins at conception. That's a science based observation not a religious one.
The argument is whether it's wrong to terminate it or not.
The religion comes in by putting more value on that life than it merits. A 6-week-old fetus has no more value than a rose bud until some moron attributes a "soul" to it.
Heard no mention of a soul.
Ask me if I care.
Heard no mention of a soul.
"In religion, ensoulment is the moment at which a human being gains a soul. Some religions say that a soul is newly created within a developing child and others, especially in religions that believe in reincarnation, that the soul is pre-existing and added at a particular stage of development.
In the time of Aristotle, it was widely believed that the human soul entered the forming body at 40 days (male embryos) or 90 days (female embryos), and quickening was an indication of the presence of a soul. Other religious views are that ensoulment happens at the moment of conception; or when the child takes the first breath after being born;[1][2] at the formation of the nervous system and brain; at the first brain activity (e.g., heartbeat); or when the fetus is able to survive independently of the uterus (viability).[3]
The concept is closely related to debates on the morality of abortion as well as the morality of contraception. Religious beliefs that human life has an innate sacredness to it have motivated many statements by spiritual leaders of various traditions over the years. "
Ensoulment - Wikipedia
Well it isn't really religious. The argument from the pro-life position is that life begins at conception. That's a science based observation not a religious one.
The argument is whether it's wrong to terminate it or not.
It's all about the soul.
Most anti-abortion people believe that a soul is involved the moment an egg is fertilized. If you kill that fertilized egg, it's no different than killing an adult human being. In both, you are taking the soul away from its material vehicle.
I'm not familiar with the anti-abortion position, the position I was mentioning is pro-life.It's all about the soul.
Most anti-abortion people believe that a soul is involved the moment an egg is fertilized. If you kill that fertilized egg, it's no different than killing an adult human being. In both, you are taking the soul away from its material vehicle.
And yet the lions share of those arguing against it are doing so from a religious position.
OM
The government is making religious people get abortions, be gay, become Muslim or Jews? :shock:
Oh, I get it. You’re complaining because the government won’t let you force people to carry each pregnancy to term or discriminate against gays, Muslims and Jews. Got it.
The Bible teaches neutrality for Christians...God’s things to God... “You do not belong to yourselves, for you were bought with a price.” 1 Corinthians 6:19,20
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18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
You interpreted out of context and left off important words. Verse 19 and 20 need verse 18 to understand what he was talking about. Fornication which includes homosexual acts and abortion is against our "own" body. In verse 19, "and ye are not of your own?" is a question. You made it a statement which it was not. Changes completely the meaning from what you said. We are redeemed by the redeemer through his infinite atonement. But, we must be proactive in defending and glorifying our body. "which are God's" means we are his children as long as we keep His commandments and honor his laws and doctrines.
The Constitution including the Bill of Rights allows for us to worship as our conscience dictates. Not so in almost every other country on the planet. Especially those that are Communist or Fascist.
The Government is forcing people to participate in gay marriages when their conscience and religion says not to. The bakers I'm sure you remember. Let's look at the abortion issue. The government will charge a person for two murders when the mother is killed and the child she is carrying is killed. So, the Government does say the child is a live human being. Then, as politicians usually are, they (liberal judges) say the child is not a live human being when it comes to abortion. Which is it?
The Bible teaches neutrality for Christians...God’s things to God... “You do not belong to yourselves, for you were bought with a price.” 1 Corinthians 6:19,20
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18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
You interpreted out of context and left off important words. Verse 19 and 20 need verse 18 to understand what he was talking about. Fornication which includes homosexual acts and abortion is against our "own" body. In verse 19, "and ye are not of your own?" is a question. You made it a statement which it was not. Changes completely the meaning from what you said. We are redeemed by the redeemer through his infinite atonement. But, we must be proactive in defending and glorifying our body. "which are God's" means we are his children as long as we keep His commandments and honor his laws and doctrines.
The Constitution including the Bill of Rights allows for us to worship as our conscience dictates. Not so in almost every other country on the planet. Especially those that are Communist or Fascist.
slavery was outlawed a while ago in this country
While Christians are indeed the majority of American’s who are RELIGIOUS, I don’t think that Christians themselves comprise the majority of ALL AMERICANS. Approximately 46% of all American’s are irreligious (categorized as unaffiliated, atheist, agnostic, or “nothing in particular”). This would reflect that the majority of American’s (54%) are religious, but the majority of American’s aren’t Christian. If Christians, as the religious majority, make up 71% of 54%, that would equate to approx. 38% of ALL AMERICAN’S. In other words, there is no reason for American’s to allow 38% of American’s to dictate their religious views upon them. Use the power of the vote.
OM
Damn those Christians for not voting the way we tell them to vote.
Damn those "Christians" for voting at all...
"Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation." Psalm 146:3 The Jerusalem Bible
Destiny of the earth and mankind is in no man's hands...
“To Jehovah belong the earth and that which fills it, the productive land and those dwelling in it.” Psalm 24:1
"But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell." 2 Peter 3:13
Well, that one quote discredits all Christians .. since Jesus is the son of man, who can not bring salvation.
Well, that one quote discredits all Christians .. since Jesus is the son of man, who can not bring salvation.
Wrong...Son of man applies to Jesus Christ only in the sense it shows that by means of his fleshly birth, he became a human and was not simply a spirit creature with a materialized body but came out of a woman through his conception and birth to the Jewish virgin Mary...Galatians 4:4; Luke 1:34-36...the phrase simply shows he had not simply materialized a human body as angels had previously done; he was not an incarnation but was actually a ‘son of mankind’ through his human mother...1 John 4:2, 3; 2 John 7....it also indicates that Jesus would fulfill the prophecy recorded at Daniel 7:13, 14...in the Hebrew Scriptures, the same expression was used for Ezekiel and Daniel, highlighting the difference between these mortal spokesmen and the divine Originator of their message....Ezekiel 3:17; Daniel 8:17; Matthew 19:28; 20:28...
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