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The Far Left in America: Looking at the Data

Lord Tammerlain said:
Then who would you put at the far right in the US and who would be centrist
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There really are no centrists left anymore. A centrist is someone who bucks their own party, such as Murkowski or Collins or Manchin, to name almost all of them. After that we have the left, we have far left, we have the right, and we have far right. Take me, for example. I am Moderate right. That doesn't mean I'm a moderate or a centrist, it basically means I'm right but not far right. But, I have voted for Democrats every election so maybe I do close in on being a centrist. I voted for Obama in 2012. I thought he did a decent job in his first term. I was against the whacko right, including Trump, attacking Obama incessantly. Now I'm against the left attacking Trump incessantly.
 


Ok now provide some examples of far right individuals
 

The Left itself supports giving people access to things like healthcare and education. Increased government control is not an aim of the Left or something they believe in, it's a by-product: what many of them think is the easiest or best way of making sure everyone has the best access to things like healthcare and education. Similarly, while many conservatives favour limited government, that is because it helps them achieve their aims: they think people should be allowed to keep guns, for certain reasons. True Conservatives do not think there should be limited gun control for the sole reason that "limited government is good" - some may include that as a reason, but for the most part, they have better, rational reasons for why they think people should carry guns (e.g. "self-defense" - on issues like these there have to be arguments for and against control that are not just "limited government is good or bad").
Hitler and Mussolini supported government control over society because it allowed them to achieve their aims and promote and enforce their beliefs. Just as conservatives nowadays support government controlling whether things like abortion or homosexuality are legal or not. Conservatives are all for law and order - why do you think they are decrying the rioters right now, all apparently "far left"? Government restrictions suit both conservatives and liberals when the occasions arise.
 
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KLATTU said:
Would it kill you tell the truth about this?
The forces are not unmarked. The protestors are not all peaceful.

FCOL- get outside the lw media bubble.
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They are not marked as DHS. And while not all of the protesters are peaceful, creating viral videos of men in military gear violently clashing with unarmed people in the streets helps no one. It creates MORE protesters, not less. The single person it could potentially help is someone running for office on a law and order ticket promising to end the chaos once he's elected.
 
Somerville said:
OK. It's just that I, probably because of living in several other countries, view Bernie and his like as moderate leftists - not "far left"
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That's what the left do. They look at the entire world to further their far left agenda here in the US. In the US Bernie is far left. There are basically no communists or Marxists in the US because when they are counted they round out to zero.
 

There is more than one element to the far right. You are arguing from an extremist libertarian perspective and pretending that alone accounts for the extremes of conservative philosophy. You are denying that an authoritarian extreme right exists. I think this is because you are focused on economic philosophy and ignoring everything else. However, the far right wing school of thought known as Fascism is less concerned with economic matters and more preoccupied with social issues and it is these than put this doctrine firmly in the conservative camp.

Nonsense. The fact is that almost pure capitalism resulted in living standards rising faster than anytime in history, while almost pure communism has resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of innocent people.
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When exactly did "almost pure capitalism" do that? Don't forget it was the "dark satanic mills" of the early industrial revolution which inspired Mark and Engels in the first place and led to labour laws, trade unions and all the socialist protection of workers since. This in turn produced the most properous and productive societies in Northern Europe.


Mein Kempf was written long before the Nazi were bailed out by German industrialists in exchange for disbanding trade unions and quashing communists agitating for worker's rights. This is where your argument falls apart I think. For a supposed group of leftists, the Nazis sure murdered a lot of Bolsheviks, communists and trade unionists. Nazism has been described as a "Third Way", in between left and right thought. However, in my opinion the defining aspects of fascism is ultra nationalism, racism and warfare to inflict these ideas on the world. The economies were put on a war footing which meant central control, but this was essentially irrelevant to the social issues which characterize fascism and define it as a right wing ideology.
 
Decypher said:
There is more than one element to the far right. You are arguing from an extremist libertarian perspective and pretending that alone accounts for the extremes of conservative philosophy. You are denying that an authoritarian extreme right exists.
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How could it exist? The political right starts with Republicans and moderate conservatives. As you move rightward you get classic liberals, hardcore conservatives, then minarchists and libertarians. At the extreme right are ancaps. The farther you move right, the more they hate and eventually reject the entire idea of government.

I think this is because you are focused on economic philosophy and ignoring everything else.
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There is nothing else, it's all economic. Consider free speech, guns, and abortion. All are economic issues, because that's how the state violates your rights. Speech is censored by controlling the means of production regarding news and information. Here's an older example: Licensing of the Press Act 1662 - Wikipedia

The government violates guns rights by controlling the means of production and distribution of guns, e.g. requiring licensing, permits, registration, etc, and revoking them at will.

The state violates a woman's abortion rights by controlling means of producing abortions: licensing doctors and hence controlling them.

It's all economic. If you are economically free, the state has no power over you.


So did Stalin. Does that make him right-wing as well?

Nazism has been described as a "Third Way", in between left and right thought. However, in my opinion the defining aspects of fascism is ultra nationalism, racism and warfare to inflict these ideas on the world.
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How could people who hate government be "ultra nationalists"?
 
aociswundumho said:
It's not just about political parties, leftist ideas are dangerous.

Do you believe there is any philosophical difference between toppling statues and burning books?
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They tore down the statues of Lenin and Stalin after the USSR fell. Was that bad?
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. So now you are calling Cuba and Venezuela developed nations?
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Did I say Cuba and Venezuela are developed countries? I am referring to Western Europe where they have what Bernie wants for America.
 
Geoist said:
Did I say Cuba and Venezuela are developed countries? I am referring to Western Europe where they have what Bernie wants for America.
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Bernie wants what Cuba and Venezuela have.
 
Kyle Phoenix said:
If you’re going to overthrow the U.S. government, …..
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No one is concerned about ANTIFA or Black Lives matter overthrowing the government silly. They generally throw violent fits expecting the current government gives them what they want.
 
Decypher said:
Right wing ideas are dangerous. They start by burning books and end up burning people.
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That's the European right. Here in the US it is only the left that seeks to suppress alternative views with which they disagree.
 
dixon01767 said:
That's the European right. Here in the US it is only the left that seeks to suppress alternative views with which they disagree.
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Well that isnt true
 

What? Do you expect people to sit back and accept Traitor Don's fascistic, authoritarian, dictatorial Nazism?
 
element94 said:
What? Do you expect people to sit back and accept Traitor Don's fascistic, authoritarian, dictatorial Nazism?
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No. Ideally, I want people to think for themselves and look at the evidence.
 

Examples of 'real Amurricans' protesting against the views of those they disagree with.


Protesters Disrupt Hindu Prayer In Senate

 
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