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The fairest tax system

Aderleth said:
You're right. I'm not interested in debating with an ardent ideologue. I'm interested in economic policies that benefit people's lives. You're pretty clearly not, and would prefer to live in a fantasy world. Have fun with that.
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That is not a response, but thanks for showing me you can no longer defend yourself from your own belief in theft for what you desire.

and my economic policies do benefit people. Read some books on economic policy that aren't written by boobs like Keynes that even disagreed with his own ideas before he died. Try to keep up. Debt kills society, control strips freedom. Its so simple.
 
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rocket88 said:
Let us know when you get there.
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This was in response to my statement:

Part of being adult is recognizing when you are on the tyrannical side of history and deciding that you prefer to be in the side of liberty and individual freedoms.
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Your comment highlights a far more difficult issue for you. It is not clear that you are aware of the difference between tyranny and liberty.
 
Thunder said:
again, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, & Trotsky would spit on Liberal/Progressives, for their commitment to Freedom of Speech, Press, Assembly, Seperation of Church & State, and protecting the environment at the cost of jobs.
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You give yourself way too much credit. Lenin would have despised you. In private he would have called you a simpleton. The phrase often used, but not actually uttered, was useful idiot. He would have been very happy for you to advance his ideas all the while happily, and ignorantly believing you are smarter and better than he.

Me. I just laugh. Then shake my head.
 
Henrin said:
I forgot to add a /quote, but I didn't purposely try to put words in your mouth.If you could respond to what I said though, I would be thankful.
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Did you fix your slanderous remark?
 
whysoserious said:
Well you edited out the rest of the quote - it said other than showing that someone else's argument is invalid. What is your point on this thread, other than being wrong?
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If your joy in life is to be argumentative, then you have no points to make. Bring something to the table. I have not read much of anything with any substance you have written... you attempted to "prove" me wrong in another thread, and instead of actually discussing the facts, when you realized you were wrong, you just left...

My point is to show you that democrats spend and and push the deficit upwards. I hope this message gets out before it is too late and we default. The ultimate inflationary force.
 
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haymarket said:
I did not know that Karl Marx predated both Adam Smith and The French Declaration of the Rights of Man. From the Wikipedia article on Progressive Tax:
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There is a difference between Adam Smith, whose book runs nearly 900 pages long making the case that there are things the rich should pay for and Radical Karl who made progressive income taxes the cornerstone of his goal to wreck capitalism.

And why would you quote the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen on anything? It led to murder on a grand scale, and ultimately to a military dictatorship.

Still as you are a professional educator you probably already know these things.
 
imagep said:
If government creates any laws, takes any actions, or levies any taxes, it is to an extent tyrany to someone.
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Until you compare it to actual tyranny which goes at least a bit beyond having to pay taxes, imho.
 
Missed AB said:
Did you fix your slanderous remark?
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What? Are you talking about what he was talking about or something else? Sorry, if that is a dumb question.

Anyway, if it is what he was talking about the answer is no.

TR was an idiot.
 
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Have you really no clue about the role of a written Constitution? Amazing. Government schools growing up, I suppose? It is a learning disability that can be overcome. But first you have to want to be cured. I am beginning to believe that Dr. M. Savage is right. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
bigotry - Google Search
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And?? He could either go down the road of race or gender bull**** or say I'm not tolerant of his beliefs. Eitherway, its not worth my time or any ones elses and its NOT an argument. He can **** off. He can take his circus of stupid somewhere else.

The only reason I said race baiting is because in 99% of his posts its race. I figure it ideology this time, but again, I'm not going to tolerate it. If you can't come up with a defense of your ideology than you are weak minded or your ideology makes no sense. He can call it bigotry if he feels like it.
 
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Henrin, knock of the personal attacks and aggression immediately or there will be consequences.
 
I read about half this massive thread and i think i got some sort of idea that has been losely said a few times.

The only benefits someone should get is basic food, water, shelter, healthcare, education, and protection/law enforcment.
The only penilties someone should get is for imports and out-of-country labor.
Everyone gets a flat gross-income tax rate of about 25-30% that replaces all these other taxes.
No tax breaks, no other "bailouts", just the core needs for survival in a civilized manner.

Each city should have it's own little government sector that allows for these shelter/water/health/education/security benefits to be provided in the form of free (but basic) housing with a police station, watertower/water supply, school, hospital, and food distribution center nearby. The housing could come in the way of duplexs or small appartments/flats that are owned and operated by the government and cover a fairly large area preportionate to the amount of people who are in need at that time.

Please tell me if i missed something or if you think that its a good idea. If your just going to blow up, then your probably going to be ignored if you dont have a good reason.
 
Thunder said:
no, but sometimes bigotry is.
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Could you please explain further how you figure bigotry is a mental disorder? Which of the DSM diagnosis use bigotry as a symptom?
 
digsbe said:
Moderator's Warning:
Henrin, knock of the personal attacks and aggression immediately or there will be consequences.
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Consider it done.
 

If all of my core needs are met, shelter provided, health care given, food supplied... why should I go to work and not just retire? Who will supply the tax income to the government once everyone jumps on the free living bandwagon? My goal is to retire in an apartment...
 

Good point, any suggestions on how to avoid this while keeping the idea effective and intact?
 

And there we have it in a nutshell. You cannot find the data to show you are right. You are impotent to produce verifiable evidence to show you are correct in your claims and allegations.

I debated for two years in college. Such an admission after time after time after time of failure would get such claims and allegations thrown out and treated as unsubstantiated falsehoods.
 
Henrin said:
I forgot to add a /quote, but I didn't purposely try to put words in your mouth.If you could respond to what I said though, I would be thankful.
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I am sure one can understand that after that gross intellectual fraud you attempted to pull off at my expense by dishonestly adding a line to my reproduced quote of your own creation and making , this response is the only one you deserve. eace
 

It is telling that you find someone who defends a Republican president considered as one of the best by the experts in the field as sickening.

I have no idea what you are talking about in your slur against me about worshipping government. Have you recently converted to anarchism and now reject government? I merely accept government as a necessary reality in oour nation. No more and no less.

If you have any actual quotes from me supporting the holocaust or supporting Stalinist purges, please do indeed reproduce them ASAP. Otherwise, an apology would be in order.
 

Well I'd say your first problem is thinking that general will has anything to do with preference of soda brand instead of social policy.


No, wtf, that is not what general will is. General will is the consensus of the public on social issues. It may not necessarily agree with every man, woman, and child, but it represents the society as a whole. You can look at general will when thinking of public opinion on wars, justice, or even tax brackets.

Why do conservatives cry so much lately like everyone is attacking them? I doubt general will stops you from doing much, Henrin.
 
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