The energy is all wrong…

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 12:07 AM

MAGA, and the response to it, it makes me sad.

As a Young Republican and conservative I was about positive energy. The joy of experiencing and creating prosperity. The entrepreneurial spirit is creation. You are establishing independence and self reliance but being helped in the doing by mentors and access to public resources in our infrastructure that makes business possible. We used resources but we wanted to be respectful of them because if we weren’t we knew they could die off and we’d not have them any longer. Nor would those who came after us.

So much of MAGA is the opposite of all that. It’s all about anger. Who’s ass is to gets kicked. What is going to be taken, blocked. Who’s going to “own” who.

And they generate, in that, negative energy in the response to it. MAGA makes people angry in response to MAGA anger. There is a lot of negative energy in the air these days. It’s contagious. It’s not healthy. It’s making us more than a little sick.

I can’t help but feel we’d all be much better off without the level of vitriol all of this anger is generating.

I’d love to give the entire political landscape a huge antacid and calm everyone’s gut down from the 11 we all seem to be experiencing to a 3, or even a 2. We’d all feel better, I’m certain, and our food would stay down better with less gird going on.

Signed,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Grandfather of an Old School Conservative..

Craig234 · Saturday at 12:16 AM

This is one of the reasons to be a Progressive Democrat. Progressives have joy with prosperity also and 'entrepreneurial spirit'. Right-wing economics are about rapacious wealth, exploiting, profiting without regard to harm, monopoly, lawlessness (through removing protective laws and regulations mostly).

CimpleMan · Saturday at 12:20 AM

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Sage077 · Saturday at 12:25 AM

ModernDiogenes said:
MAGA, and the response to it, it makes me sad.

As a Young Republican and conservative I was about positive energy. The joy of experiencing and creating prosperity. The entrepreneurial spirit is creation. You are establishing independence and self reliance but being helped in the doing by mentors and access to public resources in our infrastructure that makes business possible. We used resources but we wanted to be respectful of them because if we weren’t we knew they could die off and we’d not have them any longer. Nor would those who came after us.

So much of MAGA is the opposite of all that. It’s all about anger. Who’s ass is to gets kicked. What is going to be taken, blocked. Who’s going to “own” who.

And they generate, in that, negative energy in the response to it. MAGA makes people angry in response to MAGA anger. There is a lot of negative energy in the air these days. It’s contagious. It’s not healthy. It’s making us more than a little sick.

I can’t help but feel we’d all be much better off without the level of vitriol all of this anger is generating.

I’d love to give the entire political landscape a huge antacid and calm everyone’s gut down from the 11 we all seem to be experiencing to a 3, or even a 2. We’d all feel better, I’m certain, and our food would stay down better with less gird going on.

Signed,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Grandfather of an Old School Conservative..

You are right. The energy is all wrong and distorted. This negative energy starts from the current "leadership".....as he is the most negative, antagonistic, vengeful, destructive and angy person to hold office. The MAGA gontingency seem to have adopted is attitudes and cpy him;.........as in their minds his AGGRESSION and BULLYING is interpreted as "strength. They are so very wrong.
A leader sets the tone ..........and the world can see the very negative tone set by Trump......and followed by his MAGAhatters. Ut us a massive challenge to counteract this negative energy ...currently.

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 2:56 AM

Craig234 said:
This is one of the reasons to be a Progressive Democrat. Progressives have joy with prosperity also and 'entrepreneurial spirit'. Right-wing economics are about rapacious wealth, exploiting, profiting without regard to harm, monopoly, lawlessness (through removing protective laws and regulations mostly).

My problem with “progressives”, although not with all progressive policy (I think good ideas can exist anyplace, even Hitter’s government was good at getting trains to run on time) , is they seem to love telling others what’s good for them. Suggestions I’m fine with. Not being told.

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 3:01 AM

CimpleMan said:
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That is not the fault of the pillars of what use to make our culture what it was and society work. It is the fault of 3% of us, and particularly the top tenth if the first percent of us, needing MORE to the point that they’ve forgotten how to share fairly and play well with others.

Craig234 · Saturday at 3:28 AM

ModernDiogenes said:
My problem with “progressives”, although not with all progressive policy (I think good ideas can exist anyplace, even Hitter’s government was good at getting trains to run on time) , is they seem to love telling others what’s good for them. Suggestions I’m fine with. Not being told.

Well, that seems like quite a petty reason to let our country become fascist instead of with good values. Oh, I don't like the tone of your criticism of the Holocaust.

Craig234 · Saturday at 3:31 AM

@CimpleMan Wonderful messages, thanks.

redbeer · Saturday at 3:59 AM

ModernDiogenes said:
MAGA, and the response to it, it makes me sad.

As a Young Republican and conservative I was about positive energy. The joy of experiencing and creating prosperity. The entrepreneurial spirit is creation. You are establishing independence and self reliance but being helped in the doing by mentors and access to public resources in our infrastructure that makes business possible. We used resources but we wanted to be respectful of them because if we weren’t we knew they could die off and we’d not have them any longer. Nor would those who came after us.

So much of MAGA is the opposite of all that. It’s all about anger. Who’s ass is to gets kicked. What is going to be taken, blocked. Who’s going to “own” who.

And they generate, in that, negative energy in the response to it. MAGA makes people angry in response to MAGA anger. There is a lot of negative energy in the air these days. It’s contagious. It’s not healthy. It’s making us more than a little sick.

I can’t help but feel we’d all be much better off without the level of vitriol all of this anger is generating.

I’d love to give the entire political landscape a huge antacid and calm everyone’s gut down from the 11 we all seem to be experiencing to a 3, or even a 2. We’d all feel better, I’m certain, and our food would stay down better with less gird going on.

Signed,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Grandfather of an Old School Conservative..

The left laughed at Trump from the beginning, made a joke out of him. In came the underdog and beat Queen Hillary and the radical liberal progressive lost their ever-loving minds. The violence began at his Inauguration and has not stopped since. It's disgraceful that Americans have become this way.

They've been conditioned to do it 24/7, culminating to their loons assassinating political opponents. But it's all Trump's fault, lol. He is not your typical politician, and this garnered his popularity and attacking Trump has been attacking half the nation. Americans by nature love the underdog and love to show support and to have the backs of the oppressed. The left set themselves up to be the lowlife oppressors through the incessant imaginary battle against their number one nemesis in all of their lives....strange to watch.

Trump is not perfect, none of us are.....he is not some forked tongued blowjack politician. He returns the attacks with mean tweets and the left freaked out.....we laughed. I guess too many of us expect our politicians to be some eloquent perfectly worded spokesman who kisses the ass of everyone they speak to, putting on airs of a higher class who is above the pettiness while only reading the words of speech writers. Behind closed doors they are ten times worse than Trump who doesn't hide it.

You are correct, the vitriol does need to end or at least lessen from this elevated state. It would begin if our democrat leaders would begin to work with Trump and the Republicans, to rise above the pettiness and do what's best for the citizens of this great nation.

Utility Man · Saturday at 4:39 AM

Where would maga be without that "energy" though.......

.......talking about tax breaks doesn't bring these crowds alive......

......only one party literally thrives on hatred, fear and intimidation now......

.......remember that they all but promised a civil war (end times) if they didn't get their way on election day 2024.

Isn't it wild though how we had relative calm after the last time he fled office.......

.......almost as if he and maga were fanning the nations flames for 4 years.

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 7:13 AM

Craig234 said:
Well, that seems like quite a petty reason to let our country become fascist instead of with good values. Oh, I don't like the tone of your criticism of the Holocaust.

Why do you think I’d desire our country to become fascist or suggest I’d let it slip into fascism? That’s a radically different thing than my suggesting my problem with some progressive thought is they would order/make law to demand certain social behaviors than suggest. BTW, the reason I don’t like it is that ordering folks to do things, even if it’s because you think it’s good for them, is a form of authoritarian behavior, and that’s my -Robles with done progressives. They don’t get that. That the ordering of others to behave in a given way, is authoritarian, even if they think the reason they are doing it is because they have their best interests at heart.

And what does the holocaust have to do with this? I mention that Hitler administration, not the same thing as Hitler himself but obviously from past comment it’s obvious I thought the administration was one of the worst in our human history and Hitler himself to be a socio-psychopath, I’m no holocaust denier.

Peacenik · Saturday at 7:27 AM

ModernDiogenes said:
MAGA, and the response to it, it makes me sad.

As a Young Republican and conservative I was about positive energy. The joy of experiencing and creating prosperity. The entrepreneurial spirit is creation. You are establishing independence and self reliance but being helped in the doing by mentors and access to public resources in our infrastructure that makes business possible. We used resources but we wanted to be respectful of them because if we weren’t we knew they could die off and we’d not have them any longer. Nor would those who came after us.

So much of MAGA is the opposite of all that. It’s all about anger. Who’s ass is to gets kicked. What is going to be taken, blocked. Who’s going to “own” who.

And they generate, in that, negative energy in the response to it. MAGA makes people angry in response to MAGA anger. There is a lot of negative energy in the air these days. It’s contagious. It’s not healthy. It’s making us more than a little sick.

I can’t help but feel we’d all be much better off without the level of vitriol all of this anger is generating.

I’d love to give the entire political landscape a huge antacid and calm everyone’s gut down from the 11 we all seem to be experiencing to a 3, or even a 2. We’d all feel better, I’m certain, and our food would stay down better with less gird going on.

Signed,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Grandfather of an Old School Conservative..

I love it. Hang onto that spirit. I love everybody. I have no hatred for maga nor Trump. I forgive them for what they do. I am certain it is wrong and freely voice my opposition to it. It's very sad what American politics has become. I blame greed. The billionaires and all who laud them are to blame. They seize outsized power of our government and use it to exercise their greed, thus denying all who could be helped by a big government that serves society in a way capitalism does not. I'm all for capitalism. It is a fantastic engine of ingenuity. But like any powerful engine it must be regulated. The power it generates must in part be used to fuel a magnificent social-serving government that picks up the slack where capitalism fails society. As capitalism generates great wealth it also generates terrible sickening poverty. Government needs to be the balancing factor between the two. It's wonderful that some are able to achieve great wealth and success but the fact is, for whatever reason, that does not happen for all; and the reality is it is not possible for all. The greatness of a nation is not measured by how wealthy the richest are; but by the treatment of those who struggle for the basics of a modern lifestyle.

I do not begrudge success. I only wish that our government be as successful at serving all of society as well as it has been made to serve the rich. Our government should not be bought. It should be equally representative of all. It's not right for big money to run our government. That is not what the Constitution says. We have to fix that. We have to understand it is our responsibility to continue the work of the founders and try to make our country conform to the ideals of the preamble. The politics of bitter hatred prevents that. We must set partisan politics aside and form local left/right coalitions to do an end-run around immature bitter national politics. We can pass non-binding local resolutions stating what we want, what needs to be, how we can improve our nation. We must do this far and wide to send the message that good Americans are still here and we want better candidates on the ballot. When we do this and it goes viral we will get our better choices in both parties. We can improve both political parties and we can amend our Constitution when enough of Congress has been replaced with positive energy. We must change the political climate, which can only be done slowly over time with this local action. By doing this, we take charge of the petty madness and put it in it's place. There is nothing that can stop us when we put out good energy.

Most good people in America will agree. We have had enough bad energy. It is time to begin to turn that around.

It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum we are on. Our nation is in peril. We have to take a different tack.

Peacenik · Saturday at 7:33 AM

Craig234 said:
This is one of the reasons to be a Progressive Democrat. Progressives have joy with prosperity also and 'entrepreneurial spirit'. Right-wing economics are about rapacious wealth, exploiting, profiting without regard to harm, monopoly, lawlessness (through removing protective laws and regulations mostly).

I'm all for being Progressive, but we have to admit the Democratic party is bought by big money. That is antithetical to Progressiveness. I only vote Democrat because it is less harmful to our society than Republicans. What is really needed is a Progressive element in the Republican Party. Both parties have to be cleaned up. It's a mess. America, we have work to do. We need a politics of good government. What we have is a dysfunctional politics of bitter hatred. That's not working.

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 7:34 AM

redbeer said:
The left laughed at Trump from the beginning, made a joke out of him. In came the underdog and beat Queen Hillary and the radical liberal progressive lost their ever-loving minds. The violence began at his Inauguration and has not stopped since. It's disgraceful that Americans have become this way.

You don’t understand that Trump is a pathological case? That there are all different types of violence? That his lack of empathy, defrauding people and stealing from them by fraud is an act of violence?

Sure the Left handled it wrong. Sure it was condescending and stupid.

The right way to deal with it is precisely the way I’m doing it. To look MAGA straight in the face and tell you ALL that when you support a truly bad person, and Trump is a truly bad person, it doesn’t matter what he’s selling, you are associating yourself with the bad person selling it. Trump is the brand. YOU are purchasing Trump. In doing so, in purchasing from a source that evil (and Trump is evil) you are strongly suggesting evil doesn’t bother you as a source to acquire from and that suggests your a little twisted someplace in you. That you’re broken somehow.

Telling you in a way like a mentor might tell someone they care about. Not ordering you to change but suggesting a change in your thinking might be in your best interests.

redbeer said:
Trump is not perfect, none of us are.....

No, none of us are, BUT to suggest Trump is just a little bit off is delusional. He’s WAY off. He’s stolen many millions from many thousands. He USES people. He lives in Bernie Madoff territory. We put such people in psych wards and prisons. We don’t elect them Leaders of the Free World. To do so is just WAY off as well.

redbeer said:
he is not some forked tongued blowjack politician.

Nope. He’s FAR worse That MAGA doesn’t see that is a DISCERNING issue. That they have saddled us with him is making that DISCERNING issue all of our problem.

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 7:50 AM

Peacenik said:
I love it. Hang onto that spirit. I love everybody. I have no hatred for maga nor Trump. I forgive them for what they do. I am certain it is wrong and freely voice my opposition to it. It's very sad what American politics has become. I blame greed. The billionaires and all who laud them are to blame. They seize outsized power of our government and use it to exercise their greed, thus denying all who could be helped by a big government that serves society in a way capitalism does not. I'm all for capitalism. It is a fantastic engine of ingenuity. But like any powerful engine it must be regulated. The power it generates must in part be used to fuel a magnificent social-serving government that picks up the slack where capitalism fails society. As capitalism generates great wealth it also generates terrible sickening poverty. Government needs to be the balancing factor between the two. It's wonderful that some are able to achieve great wealth and success but the fact is, for whatever reason, that does not happen for all; and the reality is it is not possible for all. The greatness of a nation is not measured by how wealthy the richest are; but by the treatment of those who struggle for the basics of a modern lifestyle.

I do not begrudge success. I only wish that our government be as successful at serving all of society as well as it has been made to serve the rich. Our government should not be bought. It should be equally representative of all. It's not right for big money to run our government. That is not what the Constitution says. We have to fix that. We have to understand it is our responsibility to continue the work of the founders and try to make our country conform to the ideals of the preamble. The politics of bitter hatred prevents that. We must set partisan politics aside and form local left/right coalitions to do an end-run around immature bitter national politics. We can pass non-binding local resolutions stating what we want, what needs to be, how we can improve our nation. We must do this far and wide to send the message that good Americans are still here and we want better candidates on the ballot. When we do this and it goes viral we will get our better choices in both parties. We can improve both political parties and we can amend our Constitution when enough of Congress has been replaced with positive energy. We must change the political climate, which can only be done slowly over time with this local action. By doing this, we take charge of the petty madness and put it in it's place. There is nothing that can stop us when we put out good energy.

Most good people in America will agree. We have had enough bad energy. It is time to begin to turn that around.

It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum we are on. Our nation is in peril. We have to take a different tack.

Thanks.

I don’t like BIG anything as BIG gets to throwing its weight around.

I see government, when it’s working well in a nation of laws and due process, as good referees. They don’t stick their thumb on scales and they don’t have a stake in the outcome of the game, but when one side is cheating or playing too rough they throw a flag and access a penalty. They keep the game balanced and fair. Skill and merit become what determines winners and losers, and their is help for when someone gets badly hurt to help them back into the game, and a support/retirement system for when they are so badly hurt that they can’t ever play again.

Capitalism is the best economic system humanity knows. I wish we practiced it in this nation instead of the corporatism, capitalism’s bullying and stupid cousin, we actually practice.

We, in our own best interests, need to understand we are in this together. It’s not one dude is going to win. If this goes sideways, if this grand experiment in freedom and democracy dies, we ALL lose.

redbeer · Saturday at 7:52 AM

ModernDiogenes said:
You dint understand that Trump is a pathological case? That there are all different types of violence? That his lack of empathy, defrauding people and stealing from them by fraud is an act of violence.

Sure the Left handled it wrong. Sure it was condescending and stupid.

The right way to deal with it is precisely the way I’m doing it. To look MAGA straight in the face and tell you ALL that when you support a truly bad person, and Trump is a truly bad person, it doesn’t matter what he’s selling, you are associating yourself with the bad person selling it. Trump is the brand. YOU are purchasing Trump. In doing so, in purchasing from a source that evil (and Trump is evil) you are strongly suggesting evil doesn’t bother you as a source to acquire from and that suggests your a little twisted someplace in you. That you’re broken somehow.

Telling you in a way like a mentor might tell someone they care about. Not ordering you to change but suggesting a change your thinking might be in your best interests.

This argument carries no weight for we can say the same things about any candidate you put forth. You don't like Trump, "so what", get over it already. Enough is enough. I didn't vote for Trump like I'm looking for a pastor, he was and is the best we have at this time to slow or cease the radical leftist disease from overtaking everything in our country. And it is a disease, one of pretention, a disguised angel of light which devours everything in sight.

ModernDiogenes said:
No, none of us are, BUT to suggest Trump is just a little bit off is delusional. He’s WAY off. He’s stolen many millions from many thousands. He USES people. He lives in Bernie Madoff territory. We put such people in psych wards and prisons. We don’t elect them Leaders of the Free World. To do so is just WAY off as well.

You're miffed that you lost the elections, again......that's too bad, but life. Instead of doing everything under the sun to obstruct, insult, accuse, and label.....why not do something constructive, like work with Trump and the Republicans, get over your loss and think of our country instead.

ModernDiogenes said:
Nope. He’s FAR worse That MAGA doesn’t see that is a DISCERNING issue. That they have saddled us with him is making that DISCERNING issue all of our problem.

Trump IS the elected President of the USA for the second time, whether you like it or not. Abide by the Peoples decision and if you don't like it, then start getting candidates which would better serve your needs and ideology, work on policies which will benefit Americans, do the best you can to compromise to at least get a little something you like passed in legislation.

This reaction of "Oh, it's the end of our democracy, a dictator, the Nazi's have taken over" BS drama is for the birds. Don't listen or let these fools ridiculous thoughts enter your being. It's NOT as they say or suggest....it's not. If you sincerely want to follow your own advice, then begin doing these things, for it will help. If not.....oh well, I tried.

anatta · Saturday at 7:53 AM

impeach Trump

Peacenik · Saturday at 7:54 AM

ModernDiogenes said:
My problem with “progressives”, although not with all progressive policy (I think good ideas can exist anyplace, even Hitter’s government was good at getting trains to run on time) , is they seem to love telling others what’s good for them. Suggestions I’m fine with. Not being told.

There is no reason to put the Progressives in quotes as if it is something fake. We are real people with real beliefs on how to improve our nation. I would love to hear good ideas from Conservatives for how to create a nation where prosperity is widespread but I have never been presented with one from any Conservative. Capitalism rewards those with capital. It has no benefit for the poor. Worse, it exploits the poor and prevents them from achieving success. What I hear time and time again from Conservatives is the reason the poor are not successful is because it is their own fault for not trying harder. Blaming the poor for being born into multi-generational poverty is not a solution. A good government can help pick up the slack where capitalism falls short. I am all ears for how capitalism can do this without the strong hand of big powerful government telling it to do that.

We absolutely agree that the bitterness is making things worse, not better. More talk and understanding is needed. I do not begrudge my fellow Americans on the right. I wish everyone would show the respect and tone of this thread.

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 8:10 AM

redbeer said:
This argument carries no weight for we can say the same things about any candidate you put forth.

No, in fact, you can’t. Sure, politicians suck. They lie some and they cheat some. However comparing the average Reg Org Pol to a Trump like sociopath is like comparing a firecracker to a stick of dynamite in its destructive power.

It’s that otherwise good folk like yourself lost that ability to DISCERN that very obvious, by the level of deceit Trump’s practiced and the level he uses and hurts people, ALL of it recorded in the public record readily observed and DISCERNED, is where you folk have missed the boat on this.

I keep laying it out before you. The public list of the people he’s literally f#cked over; his wives, family, friends, associates, clients, customers, banks, insurers, etc. and so forth. It doesn’t register with you. He is NOT the level of bad a Reg.Org Hack is. He is FAR worse. You threw out shoplifters in elected office and but Gotti (a man Trump greatly admired) in the White House. You don’t get what a BIG mistake that was. You’re trying to put out a fire with gasoline.

redbeer said:
You don't like Trump, "so what", get over it already.

What I don’t like is folks thinking that it’s smart to try to fix a polluted well by pouring poison into it. ESPECIALLY if it’s a well I’m forced to drink from.

redbeer said:
Enough is enough. I didn't vote for Trump like I'm looking for a pastor,

No. MAGA voted for Trump like a peeved child with a legitimate concern, unable to DISCERN they didn’t think this through very well.

redbeer said:
he was and is the best we have at this time ..

That you think electing Bernie Madoff to address a corruption problem is a good idea IS MAGA;s problem. One you are making everyone else’s.

Please stop doing that. Pretty please.

ModernDiogenes · Saturday at 8:16 AM

Peacenik said:
There is no reason to put the Progressives in quotes as if it is something fake.

I put it in quotes because I’m suggesting there are those who call themselves progressives who do it because they like virtue signaling and telling people what to do. Rather than suggest there are better ways to do things that they call progressive that will enhance our way of getting from Point A to appoint B.

I do precisely the same thing with “conservative”, when folks usurp that label to represent everything they are doing that has nothing to do with the conservatism I grew up with.

Neither is a knock on actual progressives or conservatives. Just those that usurp labels because they have public recognition factors, but have very little that they are flung with those labels that actually represents the brand.

Peacenik said:
I'm all for being Progressive, but we have to admit the Democratic party is bought by big money. That is antithetical to Progressiveness. I only vote Democrat because it is less harmful to our society than Republicans. What is really needed is a Progressive element in the Republican Party. Both parties have to be cleaned up. It's a mess. America, we have work to do. We need a politics of good government. What we have is a dysfunctional politics of bitter hatred. That's not working.

As is the case with my former party.

Corruption is the issue. Both major parties are stinking with it at the federal and state house level. A “Good ‘Ol Boy” vetting system exists in both to weed out the “Boy Scouts” and make sure no whistleblowers raise within them. That needs to change. Trump isn’t the answer to that. He’s the rising it up to the next level of it.

Peacenik · Saturday at 8:25 AM

Utility Man said:
Where would maga be without that "energy" though.......

.......talking about tax breaks doesn't bring these crowds alive......

......only one party literally thrives on hatred, fear and intimidation now......

.......remember that they all but promised a civil war (end times) if they didn't get their way on election day 2024.

Isn't it wild though how we had relative calm after the last time he fled office.......

.......almost as if he and maga were fanning the nations flames for 4 years.

We know it is a movement of negativity. We cannot fight that with more negativity. If we try, we only lower ourselves to their level which will devolve into anarchy. We must counter their negativity by remaining positive. We must form local left/right coalitions of positive people who want to build respect back into America.

The real culprit is the greed of the most powerful who have bought our government and co-opted the Republican party, turned it into the Trump party of hatred. They also throw enough money at the Democratic Party to ensure it will be the loser and prevent anyone positive from rising to power. They have paid for the politics of division. The only way to fight hatred is with love. You can bomb the world to pieces but you cannot bomb the world to peace.

We must use these local coalitions to pass local nonbinding resolutions in support of a truly representative government. Not a bought government. We must do this far and wide to gradually change our national politics from one of bitter division to one of mutual respect and possibilities. When we do this we will get our better candidate choices in both parties. When Congress is replaced we will turn this country around and find the love which has been suppressed by the negative energy of hatred.

America, we have work to do.

Peacenik · Saturday at 8:41 AM

ModernDiogenes said:
Why do you think I’d desire our country to become fascist or suggest I’d let it slip into fascism? That’s a radically different thing than my suggesting my problem with some progressive thought is they would order/make law to demand certain social behaviors than suggest. BTW, the reason I don’t like it is that ordering folks to do things, even if it’s because you think it’s good for them, is a form of authoritarian behavior, and that’s my -Robles with done progressives. They don’t get that. That the ordering of others to behave in a given way, is authoritarian, even if they think the reason they are doing it is because they have their best interests at heart.

And what does the holocaust have to do with this? I mention that Hitler administration, not the same thing as Hitler himself but obviously from past comment it’s obvious I thought the administration was one of the worst in our human history and Hitler himself to be a socio-psychopath, I’m no holocaust denier.

I know it's a challenge of selling ideas, not forcing. We have seen what happens to a slim majority that attempts to force it's way on everyone as if they had an overwhelming majority mandate. It is bound to not end well.

Progressives cannot win in traditional ways because big money controls the rhetoric along with the government. It has to be grass roots. It has to be local and cookie-cutter repetition across the nation. An infectious message of love and respect, one of equal and fair representation in government, not a bought government serving the rich and building it's power on messages of hatred.

It cannot come from only the left. America needs a Progressive element on the right as well. Both major parties need cleaning up.

soap box · Saturday at 8:43 AM

redbeer said:
The left laughed at Trump from the beginning, made a joke out of him. In came the underdog and beat Queen Hillary and the radical liberal progressive lost their ever-loving minds. The violence began at his Inauguration and has not stopped since. It's disgraceful that Americans have become this way.

They've been conditioned to do it 24/7, culminating to their loons assassinating political opponents. But it's all Trump's fault, lol. He is not your typical politician, and this garnered his popularity and attacking Trump has been attacking half the nation. Americans by nature love the underdog and love to show support and to have the backs of the oppressed. The left set themselves up to be the lowlife oppressors through the incessant imaginary battle against their number one nemesis in all of their lives....strange to watch.

Trump is not perfect, none of us are.....he is not some forked tongued blowjack politician. He returns the attacks with mean tweets and the left freaked out.....we laughed. I guess too many of us expect our politicians to be some eloquent perfectly worded spokesman who kisses the ass of everyone they speak to, putting on airs of a higher class who is above the pettiness while only reading the words of speech writers. Behind closed doors they are ten times worse than Trump who doesn't hide it.

You are correct, the vitriol does need to end or at least lessen from this elevated state. It would begin if our democrat leaders would begin to work with Trump and the Republicans, to rise above the pettiness and do what's best for the citizens of this great nation.

There's no way to sugarcoat what has happened. Trump supporters are running into the exact same dilemma as the Dems in 24. Your president is going senile and delusional, but you can't admit it. Exact same problem, and the same xxxheaded response.

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