The End of democracy

[dragonslayer]

Re: To Comrade

first of all fascism is a product of the left hence the socialism in National Socialism, secondly I'm not a dropout I'm a political science major obtaining my bachelors degree as we speak, thirdly yes I have read the communist manifesto and I've also read mein kompf and guess what they're both bull s**t I've also read Locke, Hobbes, Machiavelli, just for fun not to mention the scores of other mandatory readings I've had to endure while attending college.

I can see from your attitude toward education, that you need me. I was a History Teacher, and I have been a Counselor before I retired.

Wake up No Matter what the word Fascist might or did not mean in 1933, it certainly did not mean marxist socialism. How come the Nazis, National Socialists invaded the soviet union in 1941. Hitler hated the communists as much as he hated the Jews. He made speeches condeming Socialism and communism for years. give me a mailing address and I will have a copy of mein kampf sent to yu at my expense from Amazon. Fascism in Germany was a right wings partnership with the German corporations. In other countries Fascism was a little more liberal, but not much..



Here is some basic iinformation for you from a dictionary and an encyclopedia.

fas•cism

Pronunciation: (fash'iz-um), [key]
—n.
1. (sometimes cap.) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes cap.) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3. (cap.) a fascist movement, esp. the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

Na•zi

Pronunciation: (nät'sē, nat'-), [key]
—n., pl. -zis,
—adj.

—n.
1. a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power. The party was officially abolished in 1945 at the conclusion of World War II.

2. (often l.c.) a person elsewhere who holds similar views. like the new rightwing in America. and Bush/Cheney.

Nazi Rule

After ousting the left wing of the party, represented by Gregor Strasser, Hitler, once in power, secured his position by the “Blood Purge” (June, 1934) of SA leader Ernst Roehm and others who might challenge him.

Loyal Nazis were placed in positions of authority within the government and eventually came to control it.

A corporative state was established in which labor lost all rights and was even regimented in its recreation by the “Strength through Joy” movement. Youth, schools, and the press came under repressive control. The books of “undesirable” authors were repeatedly burned.

Doesn't it remind you of the Bush and the Patriot Act. we now have a corporate run military, and corporate run white house. Soon we will have
corporate run Congress.:2razz:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yes, but by placing all institutions under the control of the state is that not then the very embodiment of the leftist philosophy, I know that National Socialism isn't complete socialism and had many capitalist institutions but these institutions were all controlled by the state, I being a true conservative and not a neo-con believe in less gov't regulation and control over businesses and the people. And to me that's what the right should be, however, at the same token I must defend the expansion of the fed gov't under Bush because historically during war time the fed gov't has always expanded because a strong gov't is needed to fight the war. But at the same time Bush is not a true conservative. Secondly I never stated that Hitler liked communism, however if you read his rambling b.s. you can make out a distinct socialist viewpoint, but this was probably just on behalf of the masses who he was trying to con.

Oh and I don't need that copy I already downloaded it on limewire that's were I get all my books for free it's great.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Also, Hitler after obtaining the chancelorship and after the Reichstag fire took on dictatorial powers that were granted to him in the constitution during a time of emergency but were only applicable for a set amount of time, however, after he had those powers firmly in his control he used them to change the clause in the constitution to make those powers permanent, now if you show me anyting Bush has done that remotely resembles that I'd be inclined to agree with you remember we did have a chance to remove Bush from office in 2004. Furthermore, are you seriously claiming that because the U.S. has wealthy corporations that we are fascists. If you have a better idea as to how to produce a large enough arsenal to fight a war without the power of industry I'm all ears, even during WW2 we had corporations producing the war material, so, was FDR a fascist?

 

[ban.the.electoral.college]

I disagree with a good number of the things that Bush has done. But Kerry was worse.

Please elaborate. Thank You.

 

[Youve Got To Be Kidding!]

Also, Hitler after obtaining the chancelorship and after the Reichstag fire took on dictatorial powers that were granted to him in the constitution during a time of emergency but were only applicable for a set amount of time, however, after he had those powers firmly in his control he used them to change the clause in the constitution to make those powers permanent, now if you show me anyting Bush has done that remotely resembles that I'd be inclined to agree with you remember we did have a chance to remove Bush from office in 2004. Furthermore, are you seriously claiming that because the U.S. has wealthy corporations that we are fascists. If you have a better idea as to how to produce a large enough arsenal to fight a war without the power of industry I'm all ears, even during WW2 we had corporations producing the war material, so, was FDR a fascist?

There is a difference between Wealthy Coorporations and Empowerd Coorporations.
- wake up.

DUH IGNORAMOUS. ITS CALLED THE PATRIOT ACT. IM SO RESERVING THE URGE TO CURSE YOU. You said it YOURSELF AND STILL DONT SEE IT.

JUDGES ELECTING YOU PRESIDENT
REICHSTAG FIRE --> 9-11
ENABLING ACT --> PATRIOT ACT

Just line the acts up side by side and tell me the differences if you can find em. If there are any. I dare you. Then will you STFU?

http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html Here is 14 more similarities.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

There is a difference between Wealthy Coorporations and Empowerd Coorporations.


JUDGES ELECTING YOU PRESIDENT
REICHSTAG FIRE --> 9-11
ENABLING ACT --> PATRIOT ACT

Just line the acts up side by side and tell me the differences if you can find em. If there are any. I dare you. Then will you STFU?

http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html Here is 14 more similarities.

The supreme court found that even if the recount had been performed in FL Bush still would have won by a narrow margin. Furthermore, he won by the majority and the electoral vote in 04 (nice try though).

The nazis lit the reichstag fire and blamed it on the communists, are you really suggesting that Bush was responsible for 9-11 (come on man that's nothing more than conspiracy b.s. propaganda espoused by the same people who believe in the illuminati, and also used as propaganda by Islamic-fascists.)

And as far as the Patriot Act go's the Patriot Act has never been used in the prosecution of a crime (not once) it's merely a tool used to find Intel on people who are entering this country with intentions of causing it harm. This being said I don't like a lot of what's in the Patriot Act nor do I believe it should be permanent.

Take a que from John Stuart when he said that: You shouldn't compare anyone to Hitler it demeans them, it demeans you and to be honest it demeans Hitler, because let's face it that guy worked to damn hard for to damn long to be that evil to have any Tom, Dick and Harry be compared to him.

 

[Youve Got To Be Kidding!]

The supreme court found that even if the recount had been performed in FL Bush still would have won by a narrow margin. Furthermore, he won by the majority and the electoral vote in 04 (nice try though).

The nazis lit the reichstag fire and blamed it on the communists, are you really suggesting that Bush was responsible for 9-11 (come on man that's nothing more than conspiracy b.s. propaganda espoused by the same people who believe in the illuminati, and also used as propaganda by Islamic-fascists.)

And as far as the Patriot Act go's the Patriot Act has never been used in the prosecution of a crime (not once) it's merely a tool used to find Intel on people who are entering this country with intentions of causing it harm. This being said I don't like a lot of what's in the Patriot Act nor do I believe it should be permanent.

Take a que from John Stuart when he said that: You shouldn't compare anyone to Hitler it demeans them, it demeans you and to be honest it demeans Hitler, because let's face it that guy worked to damn hard for to damn long to be that evil to have any Tom, Dick and Harry be compared to him.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information,which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep us in everlasting ignorance............that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

Herbert Spencer

You are a master of it.

Bush would not have won. You are full of ****. You dont know anything of wich you speak. You are completely ignorant on many issues.

You just knock oposing ideas without even checking in to them. The Patriot Act doesnt have **** to do with other people entering the country it has everything to do with its citizens are criminals and we need to know everything in order to prove it. The Patriot Act is as ANTI PATRIOTIC as you can get.

Like I said look at the rights the Enabling act took away and the Patriot Act they are nearly Identical. Nah you dont have to just keep Spouting at the mouth.

The Illuminati DOES EXIST. It is a QUITE POWERFULL ORGANIZATION.

You still obviously have not looked at the Enabling Act.

You just dismissing the evidence towards 9-11 further shows your contempt for the truth.

You are the Target of the Patriot Act not people entering the country does that make you feel better. How about a little more patriotic?

Islamic Extremists do not need propaganda or people like me to push their beliefs, They use people like you, and the US Governments Foriegn Policy and Americas Moral Stands on things. They have a sound arguement. I understand why they are mad. You dont yet again. Because you keep yourself ignorant. You want to be spoonfed by _unclesam. Just me and you are at the center of their criticisms. I think America gives them plenty reasons to be mad. But of course you cant understand that.

 

[Comrade Brian]

The Illuminati DOES EXIST. It is a QUITE POWERFULL ORGANIZATION.

Also accoring to a severe anti-communist book None dare call it conspiracy, Marx was hired by the Illumanati to write the Communsit Manifesto.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

"
The Illuminati DOES EXIST. It is a QUITE POWERFULL ORGANIZATION.

LMFAO my point exactly thanks for making it for me psycho.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

If you don't understand don't even bother to ask, a father who has grown up with a fatherless past.

__!__

give me hope, give me strength, come with me! Sayyyyyyyyyyy give me an amen!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

can I get another amen!

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Amen!---------------------------------

 

[gdalton]

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information,which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep us in everlasting ignorance............that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

Herbert Spencer

I find it ironic you would quote this and then speak the way you do.

 

[dragonslayer]

Also, Hitler after obtaining the chancelorship and after the Reichstag fire took on dictatorial powers that were granted to him in the constitution during a time of emergency but were only applicable for a set amount of time, however, after he had those powers firmly in his control he used them to change the clause in the constitution to make those powers permanent, now if you show me anyting Bush has done that remotely resembles that I'd be inclined to agree with you remember we did have a chance to remove Bush from office in 2004. Furthermore, are you seriously claiming that because the U.S. has wealthy corporations that we are fascists. If you have a better idea as to how to produce a large enough arsenal to fight a war without the power of industry I'm all ears, even during WW2 we had corporations producing the war material, so, was FDR a fascist?

Wow, I read your reply to me, and I can see that you are subject to some serious thinking Errors. Go Back and read my post where I gave you some common dictionary and encyclopedia passages about Facism and the Nazis

you say that you read Mein Kampf and the communist manifesto and it is Nonsence. Nonsence that caused WW2 and the Cold War. Your writings and lack of information mark you as a person who has read little and absorbed, nothing. Politcal Science, heck yu Got to kidding. I taught Polisci at a community college,( it was not my specialty but they needed a teacher.) and you sir are not versed in Political science. You write and communicate like an eigth grader..

you sit in here and represent yourself as someone your not and it is obvious by your posts. come on Man be real.

go back to school. Stop talking and listen to others and read books. F--k Rush Limbaugh, and lars Larson. They get paid a lot of money just to try and confuse people like you and other non thinkers

 

[Youve Got To Be Kidding!]

Fdr Was A Traitor

 

[Martyr_Machine]

Fdr Was A Traitor

Understatement. FDR was one of the few (2 to be exact) american presidents that can accurately be described as "totalitarian".

 

[Youve Got To Be Kidding!]

You are going to hurt trojan titius's feelings.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Wow, I read your reply to me, and I can see that you are subject to some serious thinking Errors. Go Back and read my post where I gave you some common dictionary and encyclopedia passages about Facism and the Nazis

you say that you read Mein Kampf and the communist manifesto and it is Nonsence. Nonsence that caused WW2 and the Cold War. Your writings and lack of information mark you as a person who has read little and absorbed, nothing. Politcal Science, heck yu Got to kidding. I taught Polisci at a community college,( it was not my specialty but they needed a teacher.) and you sir are not versed in Political science. You write and communicate like an eigth grader..

you sit in here and represent yourself as someone your not and it is obvious by your posts. come on Man be real.

go back to school. Stop talking and listen to others and read books. F--k Rush Limbaugh, and lars Larson. They get paid a lot of money just to try and confuse people like you and other non thinkers

What exactly am I in error about? Everything you have said is either someone elses words or complete B.S., you say that because we have wealthy corporations that we are fascists, you compare Bush to Hitler, and you expect to be taken seriously because you pull out some dictionary definitions? I know for a fact that fascism is a product of leftist economic thinking, I know for a fact that Hitler was indeed a socialist, I know for a fact that the Patriot Act has never been used in one single prosecution of a crime, I know for a fact that the goal of the democratic party is to increase the strength of the federal gov't at the expense of individualism, I know for a fact that I'm not a rank and file Republican or Bush supporter, and to the contrary I'm not even a Republican at all, but judging from the anti-Bush post you've made you are a rank and file Dem. towing the party line like some kind of mindless f***n zombie! You have not disprovin a single one of my statements but instead resolve to respond with add-hominen attacks on my credibility without a shred of evidence to back up your slandorous and fallacious statements, and I'm the one who respons like an eighth grader, LMFAO! Now go ahead and put that in your pipe and bite down!

 

[Youve Got To Be Kidding!]

I know for a fact that the Patriot Act has never been used in one single prosecution of a crime, I know for a fact that the goal of the democratic party is to increase the strength of the federal gov't at the expense of individualism.

You know an awfull lot dont you. You dont know **** about the patriot act. And you dont know **** about republicans/democrats or about what we have as democrats and republicans today.

I think you should have used citizens through taxes more than individualism. Individualism is under attack by the administration. You obviously dont know **** about your rights. Because your on the presidents jock about how they are not infringing on you. The Patriot Act HAS BEEN used many times to infringe on the rights of citizens. It is a verry FASCIST bill. It is nearly IDENTICAL to the Enabling act. And YOU DONT ****ING KNOW IF ANYONE HAS BEEN PROSECUTED UNDER IT BECAUSE ITS ALL NON TRANSPARENT AND HIGHLY ****ING SECRET. So Please STFU and quit going around like you know it all.

 

[Nezdragon]

For the last time, america is not, nor has it ever been, a democracy. The founding fathers abhored democracy.

Prove it.

You write and communicate like an eigth grader..

go back to school. Stop talking and listen to others and read books. F--k Rush Limbaugh, and lars Larson. They get paid a lot of money just to try and confuse people like you and other non thinkers

Oh... My... GOD!!!!

The hypocrisy leaking from that post is killing me.
Trajan has fairly good spelling. You do not. Quit calling everyone an "eigth grader" when they disagree with your opinions. And why don't you go back to school yourself?
You look like an IDIOT when your spelling is worse than the person you are telling "write and communicate like an eigth grader.."

And, um... Talk to your doctor about something for your anger problems. It makes us learned people far more likely to IGNORE you.

The Patriot Act HAS BEEN used many times to infringe on the rights of citizens.

And then: :rofl

And YOU DONT ****ING KNOW IF ANYONE HAS BEEN PROSECUTED UNDER IT BECAUSE ITS ALL NON TRANSPARENT AND HIGHLY ****ING SECRET.

If its so non transparent (whatever that means...) and highly ****ing secret how do you know that it's being used to infringe on our rights? If you know that, Trajan knows what he's talking about.

Countered by your own words. Very sad.

So Please STFU and quit going around like you know it all.

Fifty bucks he thinks he knows it all!

One last question, aimed at kidding (and everyone else)

If you could sacrifice your soul to impeach Bush and bring all the troops home instantaneously, would you?

 

[cnredd]

You know an awfull lot dont you. You dont know **** about the patriot act. And you dont know **** about republicans/democrats or about what we have as democrats and republicans today.

I think you should have used citizens through taxes more than individualism. Individualism is under attack by the administration. You obviously dont know **** about your rights. Because your on the presidents jock about how they are not infringing on you. The Patriot Act HAS BEEN used many times to infringe on the rights of citizens. It is a verry FASCIST bill. It is nearly IDENTICAL to the Enabling act. And YOU DONT ****ING KNOW IF ANYONE HAS BEEN PROSECUTED UNDER IT BECAUSE ITS ALL NON TRANSPARENT AND HIGHLY ****ING SECRET. So Please STFU and quit going around like you know it all.

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[The Truth-Bringer]

Well The President has Dictorial Powers By the 1933 National Emergency Act, and since most people dont know about that...Most of America is, Pretty stupid.

America Has Never Been a Full Demoracry. Every Goverment is a Demorcracy, Just it depends how limited or expansive it is. When the US Was Founded, very few could vote, Only Wealth (Land Owning) White Men could Vote (Every Word in the Description is Important) . Then Later on it was included to All White Men, And Then To All Men In General. Next it was Also Given to White Women, And Then Very Later On To All Ethniticies (1960's). Yet Obviously there is still Other ways of preventing people from voting than by law...Like the Poll tax, and Having Guards At the Place, or simply making the process overly long and tedious, which makes them simply leave in anger.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

You know an awfull lot dont you. You dont know **** about the patriot act. And you dont know **** about republicans/democrats or about what we have as democrats and republicans today.

I think you should have used citizens through taxes more than individualism. Individualism is under attack by the administration. You obviously dont know **** about your rights. Because your on the presidents jock about how they are not infringing on you. The Patriot Act HAS BEEN used many times to infringe on the rights of citizens. It is a verry FASCIST bill. It is nearly IDENTICAL to the Enabling act. And YOU DONT ****ING KNOW IF ANYONE HAS BEEN PROSECUTED UNDER IT BECAUSE ITS ALL NON TRANSPARENT AND HIGHLY ****ING SECRET. So Please STFU and quit going around like you know it all.

You see conspiracy everywhere don't you? I'm sorry but I can't take anyone seriously who actually believes in the existence of the illuminati, secondly you contradict yourself in your own statement, you first claim that The Patriot Act has been used many times to infringe on the civil liberties of citizens, and then you turn right around and say that I can't possibly know if it has been used in the prosecution of a crime because it's non transparent. So, if it's non-transparent how the f do you know if it's been used to infringe on the rights of the citizenry? Thirdly I don't ever remember coming to the defense of renewing the patriotic act or expanding it in the form of a patriot act 2, however, I must say that if the patriot act was never created and there was (god forbid) another terrorist attack on U.S. soil then those of your ilk would almost assuradely turn right around and start clamoring on how Bush did not do enough to protect the public. And finally get a freaking life and quit reading the conspiracy sites, they'll rot your f****n brain man.

 

[The Truth-Bringer]

Heck, What Rude Language On This thread! Yet I dont believe In Conspiracy Either, Or Such, But I Know how goverment does Propoganda, But I know that its not as exageratted as some think, or as low as some think.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

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It's cool I find his delusions amusing.