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The Dynamics of Race Classification

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Modern immigration has populated Western Civilization with a collection of every example of Homo sapiens on planet Earth.

There's obviously something unique to Western Civilization that attracts people of every race, religion, ethnicity, age and gender.

Western Civilization originated around the culture of the Caucasoids, one of three separate and unique subspecies of Homo sapiens.

The origin of all Homo sapiens was Africa from which a few left and continued their evolution on the European and Asian continents.

Three human subspecies separated by great distances and tens of thousands of years, continued their evolutions with little or no contact.

Despite all being members of the same human race; the result of their isolated evolution was three separate and distinct subspecies.

The Negroid on the African Continent...The Mongoloid on the Asian Continent...The Caucasoid on the European Continent.

They only had 3 basic things in common which were; (1)survive (2)make babies (3)some genes from a 200,000 year old African ancestor.

Eventually the world became smaller and more populated which finally led to the meeting of the Negroids, Mongoloids and Caucasoids.

And now, here we are after centuries of population diversity and interbreeding; creating a racial hodgepodge of brand new colorful people.

This left modern Homosapiens in a dilemma...Political Correctness happened and declared "Negroid" and "Mongoloid" classifications 'racist'.

Western Civilization would have to create new words, terms, and classifications for just about everything concerning the minority races.

Finally to my point…This thread asks the question: Have you ever considered the implications of the race classification "People of Color"?

Did you realize "People of Color" includes every human skin pigment on the planet except for one..."White".

Is this good or bad?
Is this love or hate?
Is this discrimination?
Is this honor or disrespect?
Is "White" the friend or enemy of "People of Color"?

Have "Western Civilization" and "People of Color" reached an impasse? If so; Why???
 

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Is "White" the friend or enemy of "People of Color"?


Oh, in my opinion, that is a no-brainer.

Europeans are the best friends that people of color have ever had.

People from other continents are eager to emigrate to Canada, the U.S., Europe, and Australia.

Why?

They appreciate all the blessings (both political and economic) that they can enjoy there.
 

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The Negroid on the African Continent...The Mongoloid on the Asian Continent...The Caucasoid on the European Continent.

Is such a ridiculously old classification and the fact you think its still accurate says a lot about this.

"Caucasians" or "white people" are descended from Proto-Indo-Europeans who originated around the Caucuses and then spread out south and west. All Iranians, Indians, Turkics, Eastern Europeans, Mediterranean people, Germanics, and Celtic people descend from this same group.

It's why we all share the same roots for words like sister, which comes from ''swésōr'', English: Sister, German: Schwéster, in Sanskrit: svásṛ, in Slavic: sestrà .

It's worth noting that many of the people you think of when you whine about immigration are considered "Caucasoids" as well, namely Arabs and North Africans.
 

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The different races of humans haven't been isolated long enough to become different subspecies. We are all still the same species, homo sapiens sapiens. We have many more commonalities, biologically and genetically speaking, than we do differences.
 

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Oh, in my opinion, that is a no-brainer.

Europeans are the best friends that people of color have ever had.

People from other continents are eager to emigrate to Canada, the U.S., Europe, and Australia.

Why?

They appreciate all the blessings (both political and economic) that they can enjoy there.

Just because someone wants something from you, does that make them your friend?
 

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"an outdated grouping of human beings"

False premise, try again.
Is such a ridiculously old classification and the fact you think its still accurate says a lot about this.

"Caucasians" or "white people" are descended from Proto-Indo-Europeans who originated around the Caucuses and then spread out south and west. All Iranians, Indians, Turkics, Eastern Europeans, Mediterranean people, Germanics, and Celtic people descend from this same group.

It's why we all share the same roots for words like sister, which comes from ''swésōr'', English: Sister, German: Schwéster, in Sanskrit: svásṛ, in Slavic: sestrà .

It's worth noting that many of the people you think of when you whine about immigration are considered "Caucasoids" as well, namely Arabs and North Africans.
The different races of humans haven't been isolated long enough to become different subspecies. We are all still the same species, homo sapiens sapiens. We have many more commonalities, biologically and genetically speaking, than we do differences.
If you had read the entire OP you would understand why I used those "outdated" classifications.

Or maybe you did read it but were unable to formulate a sensible rational rebuttal because they don't exist in your world.

Or could it be you're simply in denial of the role 'the taboos of political correctness' plays in acceptable modern day language.

Oh, in my opinion, that is a no-brainer.

Europeans are the best friends that people of color have ever had.

People from other continents are eager to emigrate to Canada, the U.S., Europe, and Australia.

Why?

They appreciate all the blessings (both political and economic) that they can enjoy there.
I agree; but why do so many arrive and then try to transform their dream into some Marxist nightmare of poverty, crime, fear, and oppression; much the same as what they fled?

I'm referring to the immigrants that bring their political baggage with them and end up supporting a Socialist Democrat Party.
 

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If you had read the entire OP you would understand why I used those "outdated" classifications.

I know why you do, because it makes it easier for you to justify racist beliefs.
 

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If you had read the entire OP you would understand why I used those "outdated" classifications.
No, I haven't yet been able to understand why you would base an argument using outdated terms when its point was:

"Western Civilization would have to create new words, terms, and classifications for just about everything concerning the minority races."

News flash...."Western Civ" has created "new ways" of differentiating humans, it has done this through understanding genomes...but more importantly understanding that people differentiate themselves based on ethnicity. That is generally a self identification, a choice by the self....not one of "PC" by someone else.

This home-schooled edumacation supported argument by you just has so many basic faults, it cannot, does not, support itself.
 

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Just because someone wants something from you, does that make them your friend?

No, it doesn't.

But if I give them what they want (e.g., entrance into my country), that certainly makes ME their friend (while they may have contempt for me because of my misplaced generosity).


Have a nice day!
 

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Modern immigration has populated Western Civilization with a collection of every example of Homo sapiens on planet Earth.

There's obviously something unique to Western Civilization that attracts people of every race, religion, ethnicity, age and gender.

Western Civilization originated around the culture of the Caucasoids, one of three separate and unique subspecies of Homo sapiens.

The origin of all Homo sapiens was Africa from which a few left and continued their evolution on the European and Asian continents.

Three human subspecies separated by great distances and tens of thousands of years, continued their evolutions with little or no contact.

Despite all being members of the same human race; the result of their isolated evolution was three separate and distinct subspecies.

The Negroid on the African Continent...The Mongoloid on the Asian Continent...The Caucasoid on the European Continent.

They only had 3 basic things in common which were; (1)survive (2)make babies (3)some genes from a 200,000 year old African ancestor.

Eventually the world became smaller and more populated which finally led to the meeting of the Negroids, Mongoloids and Caucasoids.

And now, here we are after centuries of population diversity and interbreeding; creating a racial hodgepodge of brand new colorful people.

This left modern Homosapiens in a dilemma...Political Correctness happened and declared "Negroid" and "Mongoloid" classifications 'racist'.

Western Civilization would have to create new words, terms, and classifications for just about everything concerning the minority races.

Finally to my point…This thread asks the question: Have you ever considered the implications of the race classification "People of Color"?

Did you realize "People of Color" includes every human skin pigment on the planet except for one..."White".

Is this good or bad?
Is this love or hate?
Is this discrimination?
Is this honor or disrespect?
Is "White" the friend or enemy of "People of Color"?

Have "Western Civilization" and "People of Color" reached an impasse? If so; Why???

Different races are not distinct subspecies. The differences between races amount to little more than the differences between blondes and brunettes from an evolutionary perspective. Preference for one or another is just as subjective, and anecdotal cultural experiences about intelligence or behavior are just as spurious.

"People of color" as we use the term only makes sense in western civilization and it makes sense for two reasons: White people are the majority in western civilization, and said majority has a history of discriminating against any race that is not the majority. Hence, "people of color" = "western minorities."

"People of color" includes everyone but the majority. I suppose there is no reason why from a perspective of African or Asian societies this wouldn't include white people.
 
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Modern immigration has populated Western Civilization with a collection of every example of Homo sapiens on planet Earth.

There's obviously something unique to Western Civilization that attracts people of every race, religion, ethnicity, age and gender.

Western Civilization originated around the culture of the Caucasoids, one of three separate and unique subspecies of Homo sapiens.

The origin of all Homo sapiens was Africa from which a few left and continued their evolution on the European and Asian continents.

Three human subspecies separated by great distances and tens of thousands of years, continued their evolutions with little or no contact.

Despite all being members of the same human race; the result of their isolated evolution was three separate and distinct subspecies.

The Negroid on the African Continent...The Mongoloid on the Asian Continent...The Caucasoid on the European Continent.

They only had 3 basic things in common which were; (1)survive (2)make babies (3)some genes from a 200,000 year old African ancestor.

Eventually the world became smaller and more populated which finally led to the meeting of the Negroids, Mongoloids and Caucasoids.

And now, here we are after centuries of population diversity and interbreeding; creating a racial hodgepodge of brand new colorful people.

This left modern Homosapiens in a dilemma...Political Correctness happened and declared "Negroid" and "Mongoloid" classifications 'racist'.

Western Civilization would have to create new words, terms, and classifications for just about everything concerning the minority races.

Finally to my point…This thread asks the question: Have you ever considered the implications of the race classification "People of Color"?

Did you realize "People of Color" includes every human skin pigment on the planet except for one..."White".

Is this good or bad?
Is this love or hate?
Is this discrimination?
Is this honor or disrespect?
Is "White" the friend or enemy of "People of Color"?

Have "Western Civilization" and "People of Color" reached an impasse? If so; Why???

I tend to agree, to a point. If white people using the phrase "colored people" is bigoted, implying there is superior whiteness and then everything else, it's still bigoted if non-white people call themselves "of color" as a similar form of separation from the inherently inferior white population.

It has become a swinging pendulum situation where victimhood is a birthright for anyone with some skin pigment and a sort of racist curse for those without it.

I'll remind you that our species is still evolving and the historically racial butthurt of some will, hopefully evolve out of usefullness. If not, we always have our guns.
 

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I know why you do, because it makes it easier for you to justify racist beliefs.
It's impossible to have a sensible rational discussion with someone whose mind is locked so tight in Political Correctness, they've lost the ability to function outside that medium...not even briefly.

Have a lovely day, Jred...

No, I haven't yet been able to understand why you would base an argument using outdated terms when its point was:
Because the entire basis of this thread is "race classification".

Which breaks down to one single "race classification" in particular...This ain't rocket surgery, Gimme.

The one and only element of this thread that actually matters is; wait for it!-wait for it! "People of Color".

If you think you can focus on that; maybe we can talk...

"Western Civilization would have to create new words, terms, and classifications for just about everything concerning the minority races."

News flash...."Western Civ" has created "new ways" of differentiating humans, it has done this through understanding genomes...but more importantly understanding that people differentiate themselves based on ethnicity. That is generally a self identification, a choice by the self....not one of "PC" by someone else.
If this is true then why do so many people now identify themselves as "People of Color"

This home-schooled edumacation supported argument by you just has so many basic faults, it cannot, does not, support itself.
Uh-huh...or maybe it's simply beyond your cognitive abilities.

Different races are not distinct subspecies. The differences between races amount to little more than the differences between blondes and brunettes from an evolutionary perspective. Preference for one or another is just as subjective, and anecdotal cultural experiences about intelligence or behavior are just as spurious.

"People of color" as we use the term only makes sense in western civilization and it makes sense for two reasons: White people are the majority in western civilization, and said majority has a history of discriminating against any race that is not the majority. Hence, "people of color" = "western minorities."

"People of color" includes everyone but the majority. I suppose there is no reason why from a perspective of African or Asian societies this wouldn't include white people.
Finally someone who gets it...thank you, lwf...and you even managed a sensible rational argument.

But I have a job and my bed beckons so nite-nite all and sweet dreams!
 

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Biologically there is one human race. The idea that there are several races is a social construct.

That being said, race is real because we made it real. Humanity has alwayscreated identities of "us" and "them" and created imagined hierarchies of why "we" are better than "them". Classification based on skin color was just one that stuck. But let's be very clear, having an identity based on race is not wrong, but aknowledge it comes with baggage and look yourself in the mirror and ask if you classify those you imagine of other races as inferior.

And remember in science there is only one human race.
 

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Because the entire basis of this thread is "race classification".

Which breaks down to one single "race classification" in particular...This ain't rocket surgery, Gimme.

The one and only element of this thread that actually matters is; wait for it!-wait for it! "People of Color".

If you think you can focus on that; maybe we can talk...
I don't know who told you "POC" is a "classification of race". It is not. They were wrong. You are not referencing any sort of currently used terminology to describe "race". You apparently picked up this term somewhere, it got into your brain, and you can't let go of it....so you decided to make a bait thread about it.

If this is true then why do so many people now identify themselves as "People of Color"
I don't know of anyone that refers to themselves as a POC, I know that some folks still use that term to broadly refer to groups, but it is non-specific and out of date.

Uh-huh...or maybe it's simply beyond your cognitive abilities.
I'm not the one confused about race, I'm not the one creating this bait thread using outdated terminology and concepts.
 

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I don't know who told you "POC" is a "classification of race". It is not. They were wrong. You are not referencing any sort of currently used terminology to describe "race". You apparently picked up this term somewhere, it got into your brain, and you can't let go of it....so you decided to make a bait thread about it.
If not "race"; exactly what is POC a classification for??? Please, thrill me with your wisdom and expertise...

I don't know of anyone that refers to themselves as a POC, I know that some folks still use that term to broadly refer to groups, but it is non-specific and out of date.
You're inadvertently hitting on the point...

A unification for the purpose of adversarial division of one group from another...

I'm not the one confused about race, I'm not the one creating this bait thread and concepts.
"Bait Thread"; that's Liberal Code for any discussion the Politically Correct Left has no sensible rational answer for.

using outdatted terminology
Out dated?! You've got to be kidding me?!

I hear "People of Color" and/or "Person of Color" mentioned almost daily by politicians, pundits, journalists, interviewees, and celebrities on every public medium.

They're used by more people and more often now than ever before...what planet you been on, Gimme?! Welcome back to Earth.
 

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If not "race"; exactly what is POC a classification for??? Please, thrill me with your wisdom and expertise...
How in the hell, to you, does it describe:

The systematic grouping of organisms into categories on the basis of evolutionary or structural relationships between them?

You're inadvertently hitting on the point...

Unification for the purpose of adversarial division from another...
LOL...so your argument is going to be that minorities are unifying under the banner of "POC". I guess I missed all of the "WE are POC" marches with various minorities banding together under such a banner....oh wait, it hasn't happened.

"Bait Thread"; that's Liberal Code for any discussion the Politically Correct Left has no sensible rational answer for.
Um, actually, you have yet to craft any "sensible, rational" argument, hence the application of "bait".

Out dated?! You've got to be kidding me?!

I hear "People of Color" and/or "Person of Color" mentioned almost daily by politicians, pundits, journalists, interviewees, and celebrities on every public medium.They're used by more people and more often now than ever before...what planet you been on, Gimme?! Welcome back to Earth.
That doesn't mean it is NOT outdated, further, your argument is that it is being used by minorities "to unify themselves", as you argued above...but....that is not who you claim is using it.
 
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