So who are you?
Ah yes of course, but are you a parent? I am, I have couple teens (13 and 16) I teach them values the end is not nigh.
So who are you?Yes...arguably better and then we progressed, as you say to the cell phone...funny thing happened back when addressing this a while back...I got a text bomb...a former neighbor added me to a list of 10...I knew one of the others...there were a bunch of "who dat?" and text's back and forth trying to figure out wtf? Finally someone said "stop texting me" another answered someone else and another responded to another and then the other said, "I said quit texting me, you're interrupting my class." So much for "better" communication...then a few days back...the phone went off again...same group of confusion...I texted "this is bull****"...the person who started it all suggested I delete the conversation...that required a bit of learning on my part being virtually ignorant on such things...with the help of a friend...woohoo...I got this down.
Ah yes of course, but are you a parent? I am, I have couple teens (13 and 16) I teach them values the end is not nigh.I suspect that parents teach less and less values as their children spend more and more time with their technology and daycare.
Propaganda is much more easily spread through todays technology...fake news...hoax...etcetera.
Eventually everyone will know how to use the machines, and it's a labor saver, progress.
How do you like ATMs?
This is certainly a mildly entertaining stream of conscious you go going on. I hope you get to a point, though.
Or, just keep going AYSM.
I think his point is where are people going to work when their jobs are lost to technology?
And frustration with new technology.
My answer: Move to the city where people make the robots.
So who are you?
Ah yes of course, but are you a parent? I am, I have couple teens (13 and 16) I teach them values the end is not nigh.
Just one of the ten who gave a ding-a-ling former neighbor, my phone number, relative to what you quoted.
I'm not suggesting the end, just a decline...glad you're doin' good by your kids...been there, done that...a parent, grand, great-grand.
I've argued since shortly after it's introduction and gain in popularity, the downfall of society, in part, began with the invention of the telephone answering machine...it became a line of defense from honest human interaction...I submit that current events in communication technology bear that out.
Society is ever evolving so this thesis will likely ring more plausible with those who experienced society during my generation while the younger folks are diggin' their toys...amazing technology to say the least.
In the old days no answer meant no one near the phone...nowadays we have Ring where you can appear to be home when you really aren't...voice, floodlights, heck, set off an alarm...deter thieves, way cool
I preferred a society where we lived in neighborhoods where we didn't worry about even needing to carry a house key.
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Move to the city and make robots? Sounds like a plan...let's all build robots...then what?
....remember that every generation had similar complaints.
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The quote (the one you've heard before) is commonly attributed to Socrates, but apparently there is
no conclusive evidence that he actually said it. The Library of
Congress notes that this quote is "attributed to Socrates by Plato"...
The quote may have come from Plato's Republic Book 4, where Socrates
is quoted saying the following regarding things that he thinks have
been neglected: "I mean such things as these: ? when the young are to
be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by
standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what
garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair;
deportment and manners in general. You would agree with me? ? Yes."
The Greek philosopher Plato studied under Socrates. Plato complained
about the youth of the day, also. "What is happening to our young
people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They
ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?" I think this is
a direct quote, but can't find the reference at the moment.
Here's another one:
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC)
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I do not know you anymore than those ten people in that group chat. But here we are communicating about a subject that seems to concern you.
I do not see how communicating can spell doom to society? And you really havent made a case for progressive technology having a bad influence on society. For ever bad that you can think of there is much more good. You can deride communication technology all that you want, but I know that I am in contact with old friends that I had lost as we grew older.
And the technology is still young, whats around the corner will force those bent neck kids to stop obsessing with their primitive little computers. They will scoff at their kids and say they used to have to carry a expensive phone around, much like us older people talk about rotary phones.
I hear you but whining leads to wishing and before you know it you are living in a fantasy where time machines are real. You can't go back..no one can.
No matter what politicians and false idols tell you otherwise.
Make the best of what we have and remember that every generation had similar complaints.
Go to the stars, our robots leading the way.
I've argued since shortly after it's introduction and gain in popularity, the downfall of society, in part, began with the invention of the telephone answering machine...it became a line of defense from honest human interaction...I submit that current events in communication technology bear that out.
Society is ever evolving so this thesis will likely ring more plausible with those who experienced society during my generation while the younger folks are diggin' their toys...amazing technology to say the least.
In the old days no answer meant no one near the phone...nowadays we have Ring where you can appear to be home when you really aren't...voice, floodlights, heck, set off an alarm...deter thieves, way cool
I preferred a society where we lived in neighborhoods where we didn't worry about even needing to carry a house key.
Society broke down when we all began commuting in our own automobiles instead of walking to a bus stop. So now, we travel in a cocoon isolated from those outside of our immediate circle, making it easier to shut out the "other."
This has been made worse by talk radio. Now many of us hear how rotten the other is while we roll past them in our glass bubbles.
So, you're one of those glass bubble types, are you.
So, you're one of those glass bubble types, are you.
Society broke down when we all began commuting in our own automobiles instead of walking to a bus stop. So now, we travel in a cocoon isolated from those outside of our immediate circle, making it easier to shut out the "other."
This has been made worse by talk radio. Now many of us hear how rotten the other is while we roll past them in our glass bubbles.
Talk radio goes more toward my original argument...downfall due to technology...however, although I don't accept your premise that it necessarily contributes to some bubble effect, other than we needed cars to get to the suburbs...large parts of America are not well served by mass transit...we need individual transportation unless you live in a big city with effective mass transit.
On the flip side, yes, cars do lead to a contribution of our downfall...ie pollution...on the other hand there are big bucks involved and Americans are prone to greed...soooo...the downfall that cars brought actually came about when the oil industry convinced Eisenhower that we had an endless supply of fossil fuel and we didn't the hydrogen technology developed by the German's...now, add the various problems around the world over this oil issue...including US domination...trading in US Petro Dollars...the printing presses running overtime.
Back in the late 60's I grew up in a small college town about 35 miles east of LA. Back then it was only I-10 which became backed up with traffic so day, they added the I-60...was great before it caught on...at any rate...I recall a conversation with my dad based around commuting and electric cars...at that time, all they had was about a 25 mile range...rather difficult with a trip of perhaps 80-90 mile or more round trip.
What we came up with was a track...could run down the center of the freeway median...as long as you can get to the "grid", you then tie in...back then we envisioned something like Disneyland where you would drop some brushes into the track (perhaps magnetic more recently) and it would rebuild the charge to get you to work...read, nap...the computer takes over control, sensors keep you from running into some other vehicle...plug in at work...get back to grid and then back home...charging most of the time.
Single seat and double...one behind the other...they would be smaller, lighter and narrower so parking can be downsized.
We have the technology...just not the mindset.
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I've argued since shortly after it's introduction and gain in popularity, the downfall of society, in part, began with the invention of the telephone answering machine...it became a line of defense from honest human interaction...I submit that current events in communication technology bear that out.
Society is ever evolving so this thesis will likely ring more plausible with those who experienced society during my generation while the younger folks are diggin' their toys...amazing technology to say the least.
In the old days no answer meant no one near the phone...nowadays we have Ring where you can appear to be home when you really aren't...voice, floodlights, heck, set off an alarm...deter thieves, way cool
I preferred a society where we lived in neighborhoods where we didn't worry about even needing to carry a house key.
Let me count the ways...
We have come to accept an almost 50% divorce rate, unwed motherhood, and the disintegration of the American family. We accept inner-city war zones. Have virtually enslaved the poor in the name of helping them. Have allowed our inner-city schools to fail. The news media teaches us that we ALL live in crime ravaged neighborhoods although that is very far from true. Yes, bad people do bad things. But they do them exponentially more often to other bad people.
I could go on and on and on before I ever got to automatic call answering.
I thought it was when women got the vote.
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