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The Donbas: Where The Russian Military Went To Die...

What Is Ukraine’s End Goal In Its War With Russia?​

Voices From The Battlefield.​


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This guy is one of my favorite analyst...
Malcolm Nance, bestselling author, former US naval intelligence Officer, and MSNBC news analyst - now a Ukrainian International Legionnaire:

“When you watch the news cycle, it’s easy to forget that there is an actual war with people dying every day. We (Ukrainian International Legion – FORBES) represent the international component of this war. We’ve given up our lives, our careers. We’ve come here because we have combat experience and we want to assist the people of Ukraine in the most fundamental aspect of that.

“In the Ukrainian armed forces and Ukrainian international legion—people representing 52 nations—we are committed to taking back the territories that we’ve lost to Russia. What has happened here is immoral. It cannot be allowed to continue; it cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Russian forces must be defeated.

“Russia is going to lose this war. They are not going to win. If the Ukrainian forces continue getting the weapons they need—high mobility multiple rocket launch systems, the patriot systems, air defense systems—I give you one single outcome: by September of this year the Russian army will be broken. Russia needs to understand, invading Ukraine and violating its sovereignty has consequences.

Excerpt:
While a diplomatic end to the conflict is not off the table, for Ukrainians victory in this war carries specific requirements: Ukraine’s territorial integrity must be restored to its original 2014 borders—meaning a Russian exit from the Crimean peninsula. Also, Russia must compensate Ukraine for the infrastructural damage and loss of life the Kremlin’s war has inflicted. An international tribunal in Nuremberg must be held to try those responsible for war atrocities and crimes. And, a clear path to membership in the European Union and NATO must be laid out for Ukraine.

Though the west and Ukraine’s international partners are not entirely united on how to deal with Russia and Ukraine, during the World Economic Forum in Davos last week it was obvious to most that Russia presents a serious threat to global security, as the war in Ukraine dominated many discussions.

A number of Ukrainian fighters addressed Davos attendees remotely via teleconference, some of them literally from the trenches (thanks to Elon Musk’s donation of Starlink systems to Ukraine). At a gathering produced by Ukraine House—co-organized by Victor Punchuk Foundation, Western NIS Enterprise Fund, and Horizon Capital—author Malcolm Nance, filmmaker Oleg Sentsov, Maryna Babchynitser of Ukrainian National Guard, and Ukrainian MP Yehor Cherniev, provided insights into what Ukraine wants and what it’s fighting for.
 

Russia is now in control of much of Severodonetsk,​

the epicenter of the battle for Ukraine's eastern Donbas region​


(CNN)Russian forces are now in control of most of Severodonetsk, the epicenter of the bloody battle for Ukraine's eastern Donbas region.

Street fighting continued to rage on Saturday in the eastern city, where Russian soldiers and Ukrainian troops are still locked in battle.

"The situation remains difficult. Fighting continues, but unfortunately, most of the city is under Russian control. Some positional battles are taking place in the streets," said Serhiy Haidai, the governor of the Luhansk region, which makes up Donbas along with the neighboring Donetsk region.

The most active areas of fighting were Severodonetsk, Popasna, and the area of the Siverskyi Donets river, Haidai said on national television Saturday, adding that Russian forces were using "highly destructive thermobaric rocket artillery."
 

The most active areas of fighting were Severodonetsk, Popasna, and the area of the Siverskyi Donets river, Haidai said on national television Saturday, adding that Russian forces were using "highly destructive thermobaric rocket artillery."
So...more war crimes then.
 
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has abruptly transformed the world.
Millions of people have already fled. A new Iron Curtain is grinding into place.
An economic war deepens, as the military conflict escalates, civilian casualties rise
and evidence of horrific war crimes mounts.

US announces plan to build silos on Ukraine border to export grain​

Joe Biden working with European governments to avert a global crisis and help lower food prices

The Black Sea blockade:​

mapping the impact of war in Ukraine​

on the world’s food supply – interactive​

From vast grain stores stuck in Odesa to famine risk in Yemen,
a visual guide to the far-reaching effects of Russia’s block on exports

UN report: Ukraine war is increasing the suffering of millions​

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The ripple effects of the war in Ukraine are increasing the suffering of millions of people by escalating food and energy prices and worsening a financial crisis, coming on top of the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and climate change, a U.N. report said Wednesday.

Ukraine war: WTO boss warns of a global food crisis
A food crisis kicked off by the Ukraine war could last for years without intervention,
the head of the World Trade Organization has said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61727651
 
Stalin's Holodomor of Ukrainians being repeated by Putin?
In the early 1930s, Stalin's policies led to the death by starvation of between 1.5 and 10 million Ukrainians. (Best estimate is 3.7)

This was deliberate on his part because he saw Ukraine as a potential threat to his rule so he intentionally had them starved along with suppressing the Ukrainian language and culture.

These historians plan on connecting the historical treatment of Ukraine by the Russians with the current invasion which is killing Ukrainians by the thousands.

The first video is about the Holodomor and was produced as part of an earlier series.
They will begin making new videos about the current situation.




Putin's forces are leveling buildings in the territories they secure.
When they withdraw, Ukraine will need to be rebuilt.
Scorched earth beyond what occurred in WWII.
 

When The Lies Come Home​

After lying for months, the media are preparing the public for Ukraine’s military collapse.

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Unfortunately, overall, the war, the sanctions, etc... I don't see, from all my observations right now, I don't see Russia is at some breaking point... Actually, if anything... Russian society has been CONSOLIDATING, lately, hardening together, as they usually do, in what they see as some existential conflict. Particularly as the more pro-Western people have been fleeing from Russia in droves, too... It is actually having a rare POSITIVE impact on ethnic/racial relations; you now see propaganda videos like this, this is a patriotic clip made by two rappers - a Russian and a guy from Central Asia, from Kyrgyzstan


Video shows all groups in the Russian military - "white" Slavs; bearded Muslim warriors from the Caucasus; and Asians from Siberia and the various -stans; all working and fighting together - as all their forebears did in WWII, as the rappers mention... We have only one enemy today, they say (that being... well... the West, today, as well as "all who look to them", that is - Ukraine patriots, Russian opposition, etc...) and we stand as one against that enemy...

I want Putin gone, as much as the next guy... But I do fear the current approach is only strengthening his hold on that cursed regime...
 

Desperate for Recruits, Russia Launches a ‘Stealth Mobilization’​

Leery of a national draft for the Ukraine war, the Kremlin is offering cash bonuses and employing strongarm tactics.

The body of a Russian soldier outside a school destroyed by bombardment in the village of Vilkhivka, Ukraine. Russia is losing fighters almost as fast as they can be replaced.
The body of a Russian soldier outside a school destroyed by bombardment in the village of Vilkhivka, Ukraine. Russia is losing fighters almost as fast as they can be replaced. Credit...Finbarr O'Reilly for The New York Times

Four Russian veterans of the war in Ukraine recently published short videos online to complain about what they called their shabby treatment after returning to the Russian region of Chechnya, after six weeks on the battlefield.

One claimed to have been denied a promised payment of nearly $2,000. Another grumbled that a local hospital declined to remove shrapnel lodged in his body.

Their public pleas for help got results, but not the kind they were hoping for. Instead, an aide to Ramzan Kadyrov, the autocrat who runs Chechnya, berated them at length on television as ingrates and forced them to recant. “I was paid much more than they promised,” said Nikolai Lipa, the young Russian who had claimed that he had been cheated.
 

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, JULY 6​

There were no claimed or assessed Russian territorial gains in Ukraine on July 6 for the first time in 133 days of the war, supporting ISW’s assessment that Russian forces have largely initiated an operational pause.

The Russian Defense Ministry claimed territorial gains every day from the start of the war but has not claimed any new territory or ground force movements since completing the encirclement of Lysychansk on July 3.

However, Russian forces still conducted limited and unsuccessful ground assaults across all axes on July 6. Such attempts are consistent with a Russian operational pause, which does not imply or require the complete cessation of active hostilities.

It means, in this case, that Russian forces will likely confine themselves to relatively small-scale offensive actions as they attempt to set conditions for more significant offensive operations and rebuild the combat power needed to attempt those more ambitious undertakings.

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Ukraine urges the people of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia to evacuate​

Warning of ‘huge battle’ as Ukrainian armed forces plan counteroffensive in the Russian-occupied territories

Ukraine has warned residents in southern Kherson and Zaporizhzhia to evacuate as it prepares to launch a counteroffensive to retake the area. The Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions were quickly occupied by Russian troops in late February after they crossed the bridge from Russian-annexed Crimea.

Late on Friday night, Iryna Vereshchuk, the deputy prime minister for the ministry of reintegration of temporarily occupied territories, called on Ukrainians in the occupied territories to leave by “all means possible”.

Mykolaiv’s regional administration building was hit by a Russian cruise missile on 29 March

“You must look for a way to leave because our armed forces will de-occupy. There will be a huge battle. I don’t want to scare anyone, everyone understands everything anyway,” said Vereshchuk. She said that evacuations are taking place and that people in the occupied territories were aware.

Yuriy Sobolevskyi, the deputy chairman of the Kherson regional council, told Ukraine’s United News on Saturday that although it is very difficult to evacuate, “it must be done”. He told those who cannot leave to prepare for heavy fighting.

“Those who can’t [leave] in any way should prepare for the fact that they will need shelter again, it is necessary to have a supply of water, a certain amount of food in order to survive the onslaught of our troops,” said Sobolevskyi.

The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, said on 6 July that Ukrainian forces may be setting the conditions for a counter-offensive in the Kherson region.
 

What Is Ukraine’s End Goal In Its War With Russia?​

Voices From The Battlefield.​



This guy is one of my favorite analyst...
Malcolm Nance, bestselling author, former US naval intelligence Officer, and MSNBC news analyst - now a Ukrainian International Legionnaire:

“When you watch the news cycle, it’s easy to forget that there is an actual war with people dying every day. We (Ukrainian International Legion – FORBES) represent the international component of this war. We’ve given up our lives, our careers. We’ve come here because we have combat experience and we want to assist the people of Ukraine in the most fundamental aspect of that.

“In the Ukrainian armed forces and Ukrainian international legion—people representing 52 nations—we are committed to taking back the territories that we’ve lost to Russia. What has happened here is immoral. It cannot be allowed to continue; it cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Russian forces must be defeated.

“Russia is going to lose this war. They are not going to win. If the Ukrainian forces continue getting the weapons they need—high mobility multiple rocket launch systems, the patriot systems, air defense systems—I give you one single outcome: by September of this year the Russian army will be broken. Russia needs to understand, invading Ukraine and violating its sovereignty has consequences.

Excerpt:
While a diplomatic end to the conflict is not off the table, for Ukrainians victory in this war carries specific requirements: Ukraine’s territorial integrity must be restored to its original 2014 borders—meaning a Russian exit from the Crimean peninsula. Also, Russia must compensate Ukraine for the infrastructural damage and loss of life the Kremlin’s war has inflicted. An international tribunal in Nuremberg must be held to try those responsible for war atrocities and crimes. And, a clear path to membership in the European Union and NATO must be laid out for Ukraine.

Though the west and Ukraine’s international partners are not entirely united on how to deal with Russia and Ukraine, during the World Economic Forum in Davos last week it was obvious to most that Russia presents a serious threat to global security, as the war in Ukraine dominated many discussions.

A number of Ukrainian fighters addressed Davos attendees remotely via teleconference, some of them literally from the trenches (thanks to Elon Musk’s donation of Starlink systems to Ukraine). At a gathering produced by Ukraine House—co-organized by Victor Punchuk Foundation, Western NIS Enterprise Fund, and Horizon Capital—author Malcolm Nance, filmmaker Oleg Sentsov, Maryna Babchynitser of Ukrainian National Guard, and Ukrainian MP Yehor Cherniev, provided insights into what Ukraine wants and what it’s fighting for.
A recent conversation with some ole military friends:
So billions of dollars, thousands of lives, an entire country reduced to rubble, the global economy in crisis, and food shortages in less fortunate places. The end result is one that could have been achieved without any of that. Russian control of Donbas and Crimea, which they largely had in the first place. Talk about a pointless tragedy. Maybe, Just Maybe, Zelensky and Ukraine aren't this "freedom-seeking" band of idealists our media is so eager to portray them as. They are every bit as oppressive and just as keen to commit "atrocities" as their Russian counterparts. Explain to me how the world is better off after fighting this prolonged war vs. simply negotiating the inevitable result in the first place.

Pretty much lol. It is more of a war between Weapons manufacturers over whose weapon is superior. In this war the Javelins, 155 mm M777 howitzers, and Turkish drones came out as victors while Russians now capturing territory lost a shit load of tanks, aircraft, and men. I would not call this a victory by any standards

If Russia's objective was to take control of Donbas, then its a victory. Capturing territory is victory. Does not matter how many casualties and equipment they lost. Even in world war 2, the Soviet Union lost many times of soldiers and equipment than the Germans. In Vietnam, the Vietnamese casualties against the US (in the Vietnam war) and China (during the 1979 Chinese invasion of Vietnam) were many times US and Chinese casualties, but they won because they were able to recapture their territories and the Soviet Union case was able to capture German territory in reverse. The only way this will be a victory for Ukraine is if they can re-capture Donbas territory captured by Russia. Donbas at least is a clear case of Russia's victory.
 
It is "ASS KICKING TIME"...

The Donbas: Where The Russian Military Went To Die...

-Peace

Ukraine news – live:

Twelve Putin officers killed in Kherson strike, Kyiv claims


Twelve senior Russian officers have been killed in a Ukrainian strike on a strategically key airport near Kherson, Oleksiy Arestovych, a controversial aide to Volodymyr Zelensky has claimed.

The airport has repeatedly been targeted by Kyiv since Vladimir Putin’s forces seized it at the outset of the war, with the latest strike claimed to have been carried out
using HIMARS rockets supplied by the United States.

Double blitzing of Putin's troops as tank column is devastated by Ukrainian artillery and separatist battalion 'is destroyed by Russian friendly fire'

  • Ukrainian artillery captured striking a Russian tank column in the Donbas
  • Kyiv's men claimed 12 tanks and armored vehicles were destroyed or damaged
  • Separately, an intercepted phone call revealed Russia opened fire on its own men
  • The conscript battalion was wiped out after being mistaken for Ukrainian soldiers

 
This one is pretty wrong dude. Russia will sell gas to anyone willing to buy it. The EU sanctions prohibit the purchase of Russian gas and they are looking for ways to provide electricity for the coming winter..., including burning coal again.
 
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