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The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

So it could be true about the Clintons, but you seem pretty convinced about the guy in the OP based on your posts. What gives him more credibility than Dick Morris, in your opinion?

Did I say he had more credibility? No I didn't. I was commenting on other posters immediately discrediting him. I haven't read his book, however the statements he is making have been corroborated by other people including other former Bush officials in numerous books. What this guy is saying isn't really new.

What Dick Morris said were things that, in some cases, unless the First Lady or secret service body guards were to corroborate, are almost certainly his story...take it or leave it. On those, it's possible.
 

I've been shouting for people to research The Project for a New America Century for years now. Just look at the signatories on so many of their papers and then compare those names to the list of Bush administration officials and other key advisers.
 
Which part of this statement by the President justifying his military strike against Iraq is a lie?





Nice try. Bush had strong information from our own people well in advance that there was almost no probability of WMD's in Iraq. He did not have the unanimous consensus of his intelligence community that an invasion of Iraq was warranted. What he did was cherry pick intelligence, many bits of which were raw, unvetted intel, and use that to build his case. There are a multitude of publications out there that document this issue in great detail. I can provide a list if you need it. Further there are a number of books detailing the run up to the invasion of Iraq that critiqued the military capacity of Iraq and the conclusions were overwhelmingly consistent...Iraq posed no realistic military threat to it's neighbors. Their capacity to wage a war of aggression against another nation was practically nil. In fact it was all the could do to maintain internal security. There were ZERO imminent threats posed by Iraq. None. Our own military historians have been cautious about touting the ease of which we defeated the Iraqi military, citing the very poor shape it was in when we attacked and warned us not to get complacent.

The whole facade was a big ****ing lie. It was dishonest and designed to convince the public that this was the right thing, the only thing that we as a nation could do to protect U.S. interests and prevent Saddam Hussein from "threatening the world with nuclear weapons and poisonous gas."
 
In 6 years you people cannot even raise enough money to hire attorneys to take this to court.
How many Millions of dollars has MoveOn, DailyKos, etc spent on this crap?

Bush knew this or that. All of it nefarious and bad of course.
Prove it in a court of law. Anyone with sense knows they can't.

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I also enjoy how the OP believes every Bush official that has anything to say that he wants to hear.

Oh I found this for you all..enjoy-

Kelly McParland: Would Al Gore have invaded Iraq? Definitely, concludes new study - Full Comment

Oh and Polynikes-- Your theory is specifically discredited by the part(s) underlined.
 
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No, another former Bush official whose telling tales and naming names. It's kind of a big deal considering what Bush did and how some peoplecontinue to bleat his praises.

It's another dumb ass trying to make a buck. He knows that if he writes some good **** about Bush, the DailyKooks/movealong.org leftists will eat it up.
 
Amazingly enough, none of these people were bothered enough to resign and protest at the time. No, they wait till years later when they can make $$ off of it.


I'm sure you two will buy this stuff up and have bush-to-jail gasms over it.

This is not however a refutation of what they are saying, just a, perhaps accurate, attack on their characters.
 

Yes because this one opinion trumps all others? The Gore Theory you call it? Seriously. And your "if it's true you should be able to prove it in a court of law" argument is also flawed. All that means is that nobody has risen to the task of actually trying Bush for this. Not that the information isn't strong enough. You speak like a dyed in the wool Bush apologist.

You've done nothing to deconstruct anyone's argument here, you've simply posted a link to another opinion. So who is right? You're guy? Or the numerous folks, including Bush insiders who defected?

A good portion of that piece is targeted at the "what if Al Gore got elected" theory. Don't try to pass that off as evidence that the Bush defectors are lying.
 
It's another dumb ass trying to make a buck. He knows that if he writes some good **** about Bush, the DailyKooks/movealong.org leftists will eat it up.

Yet you seem to avoid actually addressing what he has to say. Interesting. Yes, better for you to sling very poignant commentary like calling him a dumb ass without even reading his book or trying to corroborate it against other sources for you own benefit. Wouldn't want you to get into the deep end of the pool. :roll:

It's awesome that we have another one of your kind around here, will make for great entertainment I'm sure.
 


First off, I never presented a theory, so what you were attempting to discredit is beyond me.

What I stated is that the neoconservative intellectuals that surrounded Bush and shaped much of his foreign policy were a primary factor in regards to the invasion of Iraq. I never mentioned a word about Gore, or that Iraq wouldn't of been invaded had Gore been in office.

As I'm typing this out I am continually asking myself if you even read my post? I don't see how anything you said discredits anything I stated. If anything it affirms it.

Lastly, it couldn't even be considered a theory, it is fact. Those who were in place during the Bush administration as SecDef, Deputy SecDef and various other postings were all neoconservatives and for years had called for a strategic U.S presence in the Middle East.
 


Before I ever heard of Bush I was listening to Gore bash Bush for not taking Saddam Out when he had the chance.
Saddams days where done no matter who was in office at the time.

The summary of a study I linked/posted also deconstructs and uses historical facts to refute the standard talking points coming form the left on this stuff. Specifically the much used in this thread NEOCON PLOT routine.

I like historical reality..if that makes me a Bush apologist its probably because the events of the times don't fit what you wish to have portrayed....shrug

These conspiracy theories are simply tiresome.



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A good portion of that piece is targeted at the "what if Al Gore got elected" theory. Don't try to pass that off as evidence that the Bush defectors are lying.

Its humorous how the evil Bush official we never heard of is instantly believed by the people who don't believe anything that comes out of the Bush administration.
Pretty obvious why this guy is now the pin up atm in far left basements. He said he disagreed with Bush....zz

Every administration has these people. They write books, hold interviews, get used by the side that likes what they say and thats that. Often its some unknown like this.

I did not use the article to say the guy was lying I used the article to say alot of the comments in this thread are based on air.

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What the OP is posted showed the guy had a different opinion on Iraq then the President of the US..great... so what?
Some guy you never heard of who worked in the Bush years says he disagreed with Bush on Iraq..felt pushed out of the loop, etc, etc
...this warrants an article in newsweek? :roll:
 


In 1996 and 1998 plans where formulated to invade Iraq with 400,000 troops. In 1998 Gore was Pushing Clinton to do more to take out Saddam.
From 1991-2002 some of the most vocal voices on taking actions against Iraq where DEMOCRATS.


You seemed to imply it was some grand plot by Neocons and not the universal opinion of a good number(if not most) US federal politicians until some of them decided to stab US soldiers in the back.

If that was not what you meant then nm.
 

The parts in red are the lies you asked for, and Bush knew going in that they were lies
 

You didn't say it, but it appeared to me that you were implying it in your posts. If not, then my mistake.
 
Amazingly enough, none of these people were bothered enough to resign and protest at the time. No, they wait till years later when they can make $$ off of it.

& they probably didn't shave this morning either! (none of which has the slightest relationship to the fact that what they are saying is true, so your point is that "People like Money"....I guess??)
I totally agree....People DO indeed like money.
 
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Sorry, this poster is absolutely BORED with DamnYankee's posts. Click on his name and look at "See More Posts." You'll see exactly what I am talking about. Talk about adding NOTHING to this message board.
 
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Which part of this statement by the President justifying his military strike against Iraq is a lie?


The truest statement in there was "I have decided". But, the entire statement should have been "Back when I was thinking of running for President of the United States I decided, if I won, I was going to invade Iraq. I will show what a big, strong War President I am and show my daddy that I could do one thing in my life that better than he did. (Didn't I almost look like a fighter pilot in that jumpsuit under my Mission Accomplished banner?) I was just lucky that 9/11 happened."
 
Can you prove that Bush knew they were lies?

That's been proven on here over and over and over... You get the point. Instead of looking for openings for your one liners if you spent more time reading the posts then you would be up to speed. :mrgreen:
 
That's been proven on here over and over and over... You get the point. Instead of looking for openings for your one liners if you spent more time reading the posts then you would be up to speed. :mrgreen:
Can you prove that Bush knew they were lies?
 
Can you prove that Bush knew they were lies?


We have the best intelligence in the world (outside of Israel)(and maybe England)(and Russia of course) and Dick Cheney had to personally go over to CIA headquarters and intimidate analysts to get enough damning information to cook up an excuse for war. No, I don't think Bush himself necessarily knew because he didn't care, he was enjoying the food and the airplane and letting Cheney run the country. Did Cheney know they were lies? Damn right.
 

The parts in red are the lies you asked for, and Bush knew going in that they were lies
Didn't you say that Bush knew? Can you prove that Cheney knew?
 
Why do you think this guy would "lie" about Bush?
What would his motive be?

How many people have to say the same thing, about Bush, for you to start doubting your allegiences?




You would have more insight on this than us, since you lie about him all the time.
 
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