The difference between the Vietnam Conflict and the war in Iraq. (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

A lot of Democrats like to make the comparison of Vietnam and Iraq.............There is one huge difference..........When we cut and run in Vietnam the enemy did not follow us...........If we cut and run in Iraq that will not be the case.........

 

[ModerateDem]

A lot of Democrats like to make the comparison of Vietnam and Iraq.............There is one huge difference..........When we cut and run in Vietnam the enemy did not follow us...........If we cut and run in Iraq that will not be the case.........

assuming a lot arent you. are you insinuating that the Iraqis were the ones who attacked us on 9-11 and will do it again? Give me a break there were no Iraqis involved in 9-11. Personally, I do not agree with the reason we are over there. Afganistan we had a reason. Iraq we did not. I think that if we break something we must fix it. So pulling out of Iraq now would destabilize the region rather than help it. On the other hand if we had not went in there in the first place and actually focused on the one who did attack us, namely osama bin laden, we would not have the mess in Iraq that we have now and there would be no calls for withdrawl form Iraq. Statements like this from right-wingers and ultra-conservatives makes me feel sorry for them sometimes.

 

[Navy Pride]

assuming a lot arent you. are you insinuating that the Iraqis were the ones who attacked us on 9-11 and will do it again? Give me a break there were no Iraqis involved in 9-11. Personally, I do not agree with the reason we are over there. Afganistan we had a reason. Iraq we did not. I think that if we break something we must fix it. So pulling out of Iraq now would destabilize the region rather than help it. On the other hand if we had not went in there in the first place and actually focused on the one who did attack us, namely osama bin laden, we would not have the mess in Iraq that we have now and there would be no calls for withdrawl form Iraq. Statements like this from right-wingers and ultra-conservatives makes me feel sorry for them sometimes.

No I am not saying that at all..........Let me try and explain it to you.....

We had a country called Afghanistan that was controlled by the Talaban where Bin Laden hung out.......Well they never attacked us so we left them alone until 9/11/01.......Do you remember that day? A lot of Liberals have sadly forgotten it........

So then we had a country called Iraq run by a mad man who if he did not have WMD (and I still think he did) was trying to get them......When he acquired them he would either sell them to a terrorist organization to use here and make 9/11 look like a first grade party.........

One thing we know for sure is Saddam will never use any WMD on anyone......Even you have to admit that........

If we cut and run like a lot of liberals like you want to do Iraq will turn into a center for terroism with thousand of Iraqis that were on the side of the new government murdered............We must finish the job there no matter how much liberals don't have the stomach for it..........

Under President Bush that is what will happen and we won't have to worry about terrorists following us here if we had cut and run.........

 

[Unfit4Command]

There are a lot of differences between the Iraq and Vietnam Conflicts.

In Vietnam the country was torn by war for nearly 20 years before we committed our first combat troops.
In Vietnam the Viet Cong were fighting to reunify their country.
In Iraq the Iraq insurgents(mainly Sunni's) are fighting to regain their brutal rule over the other 80% of the Iraqi population.

Vietnam had 2 superpowers(China and the Soviet Union) pumping weapons into North Vietnam, Iraq doesn't...they might get some weapons from Iran but other than that, the Insurgents are fighting with what they could capture before we reached the weapons dumps.

Vietnam had a Ho Chi Minh trail, Iraq doesn't.

We were fighting in a Jungle in Vietnam, we're fighting in mainly desert in a Iraq.

In Vietnam America bombed several South Vietnamese cities to rubble just trying to get the Viet Cong out, has you seen this happen in Iraq? SOME buildings are being destroyed but this is war, what can you expect?

Vietnam was supported by a well trained and equipped North Vietnamese army that was very popular in North Vietnam. Iraq insurgents are supported by no army, and are very unpopular throughout Iraq.
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Both sides about Iraq make good arguments, I'm not going to deny that, but Iraq is very far from being another Vietnam. If you really research the two wars, they're completely different. The only similarity being the Guerrilla tactics.

About the WMD's:
Iraq DID have WMD's, we've found roughly 500 weapons loaded with Sarin and Mustard gas in Iraq. Most of the chemicals are partially degraded and were most likely build pre-Gulf War, but Saddam said that he destroyed all of his weapons, and this was clearly a lie.
If Saddam couldn't keep track of all of the chemical weapons his country had, then how hard would it have been for a terrorist organization to march right into Iraq and take some of them?

One bomb loaded with Sarin even exploded in a road side bomb in 2004, 2 soldiers were treated for exposure, but the chemicals weren't mixed properly so the bomb didn't work in the way that the Insurgents had hoped.
But if they were mixed properly, that amount of Sarin would have been enough to kill more people than everyone who died in 9/11.
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/m-n/mariani/2004/mariani052804.htm
http://www.humanevents.com/sarticle.php?id=10101&
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Saddams former number 2 airforce man even claims that Saddam had some weapons sent to Syria.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200602\SPE20060202a.html
http://www.nysun.com/article/26514

 

[Iriemon]

A lot of Democrats like to make the comparison of Vietnam and Iraq.............There is one huge difference..........When we cut and run in Vietnam the enemy did not follow us...........If we cut and run in Iraq that will not be the case.........

Of course that is not what the conservatives were saying during the Vietnam war. The standard line was that if the US withdrew from Vietnam, all of SE Asia would fall to the commies one after another, like dominoes.

They were wrong then; but maybe the conservatives are right this time. After all, look at their track record about how right they have been on everything else about Iraq.

 

[ModerateDem]

No I am not saying that at all..........Let me try and explain it to you.....

We had a country called Afghanistan that was controlled by the Talaban where Bin Laden hung out.......Well they never attacked us so we left them alone until 9/11/01.......Do you remember that day? A lot of Liberals have sadly forgotten it........

So then we had a country called Iraq run by a mad man who if he did not have WMD (and I still think he did) was trying to get them......When he acquired them he would either sell them to a terrorist organization to use here and make 9/11 look like a first grade party.........

One thing we know for sure is Saddam will never use any WMD on anyone......Even you have to admit that........

If we cut and run like a lot of liberals like you want to do Iraq will turn into a center for terroism with thousand of Iraqis that were on the side of the new government murdered............We must finish the job there no matter how much liberals don't have the stomach for it..........

Under President Bush that is what will happen and we won't have to worry about terrorists following us here if we had cut and run.........

thank you for your clarification.:2wave:

 

[ModerateDem]

Of course that is not what the conservatives were saying during the Vietnam war. The standard line was that if the US withdrew from Vietnam, all of SE Asia would fall to the commies one after another, like dominoes.

They were wrong then; but maybe the conservatives are right this time. After all, look at their track record about how right they have been on everything else about Iraq.

Which is why I said if we break something we need to fix it and that leaving too hastily would destabilize the region. But there is no reason not to believe that we can not speed up the process of training the Iraqi Army so that they can relieve us and take over. I for one would like to see us speed this up and return our troops home ASAP.