The difference b/w the right and the left

[disneydude]

The 2008 race has barely begun and you can already see the difference between the right and the left on these boards alone.
I have not seen very many threads smearing Romney or McCain or Guiliani....most have pretty much stuck to the issues.
On the other hand...the right-wing extremists are already parroting the talking points of their radio-heros and rather than talking about the issues are attacking Obama for his ears and his middle name, Hilary for being a woman....and many other smear tactics.
Just watch the debate over the next year and a half....we all know who they are on this site.....they will try to attack the non-issues....because they can't debate the real ones.
One person on this board in particular.....I think we all know who.

 

[doughgirl]

“Just watch the debate over the next year and a half....we all know who they are on this site.....they will try to attack the non-issues....because they can't debate the real ones.”

Spoken like a true liberal know it all………..

“The 2008 race has barely begun and you can already see the difference between the right and the left on these boards alone.”

You think the differences have not been evident all along? You could take just about any regular poster on here and put them into one of these groups I describe here.
There are two views of America, two cultures wars going on. One side with definite absolutes and the other with none. One side that wants freedom of speech for all people and the other who wants freedom of speech for some.
One side for personal responsibility the other public responsibility for personal choices. One side is intolerant of crime and have little patience for habitual lawbreakers the other side considers crime and public disorder to be political and philosophical issues, certainly not moral concerns. The only people they want to punish are their ideological opponents.
One side is pro-death penalty and the other against it no matter what the crime is. One side against abortion the other for it. (That includes those who are pro-choice) One side that thinks there are absolute standards of right and wrong, the other who see rules and standards as euphemisms for imposing the will of one group upon the other. The only truth is the truth of the individual and truth for them must be shaped to accommodate ones personal desires. Thats they way I see the two different groups.

So yea I agree there are definite differences between the groups.

As far as debate…….what real topics won’t the “Right’ debate?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by doughgirl
...what real topics won’t the “Right’ debate?

This one, for starters!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-partisan-politics-political-platforms/17432-mccain-doctrine.html

 

[disneydude]

Spoken like a true liberal know it all………..






You think the differences have not been evident all along? You could take just about any regular poster on here and put them into one of these groups I describe here.
There are two views of America, two cultures wars going on. One side with definite absolutes and the other with none. One side that wants freedom of speech for all people and the other who wants freedom of speech for some.
One side for personal responsibility the other public responsibility for personal choices. One side is intolerant of crime and have little patience for habitual lawbreakers the other side considers crime and public disorder to be political and philosophical issues, certainly not moral concerns. The only people they want to punish are their ideological opponents.
One side is pro-death penalty and the other against it no matter what the crime is. One side against abortion the other for it. (That includes those who are pro-choice) One side that thinks there are absolute standards of right and wrong, the other who see rules and standards as euphemisms for imposing the will of one group upon the other. The only truth is the truth of the individual and truth for them must be shaped to accommodate ones personal desires. Thats they way I see the two different groups.

So yea I agree there are definite differences between the groups.

As far as debate…….what real topics won’t the “Right’ debate?

But see... this is exactly what this post is about. You have raise legitimate issues and that should be the focus. I wasn't saying ALL people on the right.
I was making an observation that there have been numerous posts on this site by right-wingers that are simply smear measures. One person in particular would rather post his right-wing talking points than deal with the issues....and there are others.
I was simply pointing out that despite there being many of those of us on the left....I haven't seen the same smear tactics going on. Obama has been attacked....not as much for his stance on the issues, but for his ears, for being black, for being multi-ethnic, for his name....Hilary for being a woman aka "bitch" to them....and it goes on and on. I haven't seen people on the left making the same type of immature attacks on McCain, Guiliani, Romney or any other candidate....
It just seems to me that the politics of the right-wing (note I didn't say true conservatives or true Republicans)...and their blowhard radio commentators, Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter....tactics is to engage in personal attacks because they lose the debate on the issues....everytime they post one of their silly attacks it just comes across as childish....that's all.

 

[MSgt]

The 2008 race has barely begun and you can already see the difference between the right and the left on these boards alone.
I have not seen very many threads smearing Romney or McCain or Guiliani....most have pretty much stuck to the issues.
On the other hand...the right-wing extremists are already parroting the talking points of their radio-heros and rather than talking about the issues are attacking Obama for his ears and his middle name, Hilary for being a woman....and many other smear tactics.

.....and no mention of the smear tactic on "Obama's Islamic youth" by what is reported to have come from the Clinton camp? No mention of the left extremists?

A bit more honesty would take your posts further. It's a little absurd to produce the despicable tactics of the right while standing stead fast in the tactics of the left.

Just watch the debate over the next year and a half....we all know who they are on this site.....they will try to attack the non-issues....because they can't debate the real ones.

I would say that the honest issue debating will be by non-politicians. The Left will use the war and the right will use terrorism. Both will skirt the truths, because quite frankly, many Americans just can't grasp what is going on out there. And most politicians are just as lost.

 

[Gardener]

If one objects to partisanship, why indulge in it?

From where I sit, I'd say there is no shortage of very partisan people on both sides of the (perceived) aisle, and the fact that people view politics in such binary is part of the problem rather than part of the solution.


Seems to me that as soon as people decide "I'm going to be a ....fill in the blank", they begin a process that leads towards conventiality and away from individuality. Dogma replaces thought as people adhere to a ready made ideology and form their opinions around the dictates of other people's opinions. It's just a herd instinct manifested through ideology.

Sometimes I cannot decide who annoys me more -- those who follow Bush blindly,or those who react against Bush blindly. I think perhaps the latter,actually, for even as I do not support Bush at all, those misguided souls who subscribe to the notion that the enemy of their enemy is their friend are far more dangerous.

 

[faithful_servant]

The 2008 race has barely begun and you can already see the difference between the right and the left on these boards alone.
I have not seen very many threads smearing Romney or McCain or Guiliani....most have pretty much stuck to the issues.
On the other hand...the right-wing extremists are already parroting the talking points of their radio-heros and rather than talking about the issues are attacking Obama for his ears and his middle name, Hilary for being a woman....and many other smear tactics.
Just watch the debate over the next year and a half....we all know who they are on this site.....they will try to attack the non-issues....because they can't debate the real ones.
One person on this board in particular.....I think we all know who.

Can you could youplease point me to the thread where Hillary has been accused of being unfit for POTUS because she's a woman or Obama unfit because of his ears? I saw NP's asinine thread about Obama's name and he is far from reflective of 99.99% of the conservatives I know (I do know one guy who would absolutely love NP's stand on Obama's middle name). Now, how about YOU start talking about issues instead of parroting TPs picked up from KOS, DU, and The Colbert Report.

 

[doughgirl]

Disneydude said, “I was making an observation that there have been numerous posts on this site by right-wingers that are simply smear measures. One person in particular would rather post his right-wing talking points than deal with the issues....and there are others.”

And I totally agree with you on that. You think no one on the LEFT however has done the same things? Pleazzze. Right or wrong BOTH sides do it.

“I was simply pointing out that despite there being many of those of us on the left....I haven't seen the same smear tactics going on. Obama has been attacked....not as much for his stance on the issues, but for his ears, for being black, for being multi-ethnic, for his name....Hilary for being a woman aka "bitch" to them....and it goes on and on. I haven't seen people on the left making the same type of immature attacks on McCain, Guiliani, Romney or any other candidate.…”

Oh please come on. And the LEFT doesn’t smear? If that isn’t laughable I don’t know what is. I have never seen in a post where someone made racist remarks about Obama.

And calling Hillary a bitch.... Are you implying 'bitch" is a bad thing to be? I always thought it quite noble myself. :rofl



You know……..its early and I have not really studied about anyone yet, the election is coming but still far off that it not a top priority on my list of things to do. I know about Hillary and McCain and Edwards that really it. I don’t really know much about Obama except his lack of experience, Guiliani or Romney.
I do know one thing……. both sides will come attacking and that includes your side.

“It just seems to me that the politics of the right-wing (note I didn't say true conservatives or true Republicans)...and their blowhard radio commentators, Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter....tactics is to engage in personal attacks because they lose the debate on the issues....everytime they post one of their silly attacks it just comes across as childish....that's all.”

Oh come on and quit whining. In this statement alone you attacked Right-Wingers..... what you criticize the RIGHT of doing. Blowhard? Yea right.

And no one on the LEFT is childish at times and makes outrageous attacks?

GySgt said, “A bit more honesty would take your posts further. It's a little absurd to produce the despicable tactics of the right while standing stead fast in the tactics of the left.”

Well said.

“many Americans just can't grasp what is going on out there. And most politicians are just as lost.”

Why do you think this is, just curious? I think its because they miss the fact that this is a religious war and there are no easy answers, no quick fix solutions. And people are impatient, they want instant results. And maybe just maybe this war with terrorism and clash of religions will never go away. I’m of that camp.


Curious about your opinion…..

 

[Navy Pride]

Can you could youplease point me to the thread where Hillary has been accused of being unfit for POTUS because she's a woman or Obama unfit because of his ears? I saw NP's asinine thread about Obama's name and he is far from reflective of 99.99% of the conservatives I know (I do know one guy who would absolutely love NP's stand on Obama's middle name). Now, how about YOU start talking about issues instead of parroting TPs picked up from KOS, DU, and The Colbert Report.

Whine, Whine, Whine..........Maybe you could vote for a Hitler, Bin laden, or a Hussein but not me...........

 

[talloulou]

The 2008 race has barely begun and you can already see the difference between the right and the left on these boards alone.
I have not seen very many threads smearing Romney or McCain or Guiliani....most have pretty much stuck to the issues.
On the other hand...the right-wing extremists are already parroting the talking points of their radio-heros and rather than talking about the issues are attacking Obama for his ears and his middle name, Hilary for being a woman....and many other smear tactics.
Just watch the debate over the next year and a half....we all know who they are on this site.....they will try to attack the non-issues....because they can't debate the real ones.
One person on this board in particular.....I think we all know who.

Ah come on. Alot of it has to do with the sad fact that the Republicans don't have any stars or excitement in their candidates. Frankly I'm a little disappointed so far. Meanwhile Hilary could quite possibly be the first women Prez and Obama could possibly be the first black Prez with a muslim background to boot. The dem candidates just offer more excitement currently and unfortunately I don't see anyone waiting in the wings to bring excitement to the Republicans.

 

[disneydude]

A bit more honesty would take your posts further. It's a little absurd to produce the despicable tactics of the right while standing stead fast in the tactics of the left.


I would say that the honest issue debating will be by non-politicians. The Left will use the war and the right will use terrorism. Both will skirt the truths, because quite frankly, many Americans just can't grasp what is going on out there. And most politicians are just as lost.

Point well taken. I agree. I think that Democrats have been their own worst enemies in the past....and certainly the left has smeared the right.

However, to clarify my original post. I wasn't talking about the poitical spectrum in general or even the history of this site. What I am specifically referring to is say over the course of the past 5-6 months. There have been numerous posts from the right-wingers bringing up all kinds of non-issues. I was making an observation that I haven't seen the same thing from the left extremists (and I would put myself in that group) on the Republican candidates.
With the disaster of the GWB presidency, I am really hoping for a good real issue campaign...and honestly....if any of the front runners win...on either side....I think we all win as compared to where we are now. The only way I think we continue in the downward spiral that we are is if somehow Gingritch or Frist get elected....but I don't think that would ever happen.

 

[Iriemon]

Whine, Whine, Whine..........Maybe you could vote for a Hitler, Bin laden, or a Hussein but not me...........

Another liberal in conservative's clothing, eh?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Iriemon
Another liberal in conservative's clothing

Most conservatives are just un-informed liberals.

 

[desertfox]

Tosay that anyones side doesnt lie cheat and manipulate the truth is just a lie and if you can't see that ur just too far gone into your respective side of the politcal spectrum. Blind support of anyone or anything never got anyone anywhere.

 

[Feela]

The difference is simple the left are lovers of liberty and the right its enemies.

On the right you have fascists, capitalists, leninists and just generally authoritarian, centralists of all stripes.

On the left you have libertarian socialists and anarchists and other less informed people like some liberals and decentralising democrats.(not the party,people who believe in radical democracy.)

Edit: I probably should have read the OP, I didn't realise this wasn't about the general difference between left and right.

 

[1069]

The 2008 race has barely begun and you can already see the difference between the right and the left on these boards alone.
I have not seen very many threads smearing Romney or McCain or Guiliani....most have pretty much stuck to the issues.
On the other hand...the right-wing extremists are already parroting the talking points of their radio-heros and rather than talking about the issues are attacking Obama for his ears and his middle name, Hilary for being a woman....and many other smear tactics.
Just watch the debate over the next year and a half....we all know who they are on this site.....they will try to attack the non-issues....because they can't debate the real ones.
One person on this board in particular.....I think we all know who.

The nation is sick unto death of the Right's nasty, aggressive, mean-spirited bullying.
The Right will be doing themselves no favors by attempting to smear Democratic candidates. That tactic didn't work last November, and it's even less likely to work in 2008.
I don't think the GOP can win in 2008 no matter what they do. But they'll probably lose by an even wider margin, if they insist upon being ugly and uncivil. Nobody wants to hear that crap anymore. It's incredibly distasteful and off-putting.
If the Democrats don't resort to such unethical and ill-mannered tactics, it's because they don't have to, and will be better served by simply remaining civil and sticking to the issues. The American people will reward their efforts, I have no doubt.

 

[aquapub]

The nation is sick unto death of the Right's nasty, aggressive, mean-spirited bullying.
The Right will be doing themselves no favors by attempting to smear Democratic candidates. That tactic didn't work last November, and it's even less likely to work in 2008.

Democrats pulled the fake coke story. Democrats pulled the fake National Guard story. Democrats held the Foley story until it was the politically ideal time to portray Hastert's failing psychic abilities as a lack of ethics.

If you are so threatened by conservatives conspiring to cite the voting records of Democrats and identify what they stand for, perhaps you should try to talk Democrats into standing for less reprehensible things.

 

[Navy Pride]

Being a Conservative and looking at both parties they both have their ethical problems but there is no question that Republicans are the lessor of the 2 evils..........

 

[Iriemon]

Being a Conservative and looking at both parties they both have their ethical problems but there is no question that Republicans are the lessor of the 2 evils..........

Well, that settles it.

 

[aquapub]

Being a Conservative and looking at both parties they both have their ethical problems but there is no question that Republicans are the lessor of the 2 evils..........

That's an understatement. Conservatives have become accustom to charges that never seem to result in conviction (Tom Delay, Scooter Libby, etc.), launched by the party with cash in their freezers, illegal immigrants in their vinyards, judges convicted of taking bribes in positions of power in their party ranks, Chinese Communists in their pockets, corporations like ADM Milling in their policy-making, and pedophiles like Gerry Studds in their good graces.

 

[Navy Pride]

Another liberal in conservative's clothing, eh?

You said it, not me........There are a few wannabes around though......