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[Cardinal]

The Dems want me to pay for childcare for 8,000,000 kids.

They can go **** themselves.

Why on earth should I pay for some losers' kid? Bad enough I pay through the nose so they can waste an education. Now they want a federal nanny too?

I repeat, they can go **** themselves.

Neat.

 

[Felis Leo]

The Dems want me to pay for childcare for 8,000,000 kids.

They can go **** themselves.

Why on earth should I pay for some losers' kid? Bad enough I pay through the nose so they can waste an education. Now they want a federal nanny too?

I repeat, they can go **** themselves.

First, it seems to work fine for Scandinavian countries where people seem to view one another as fellow citizens and neighbors rather than competitors and enemies tearing and scraping at each other for limited resources. Second, I would far rather have the Federal government subsidize childcare for 8 million American kids than guarantee non-dischargeable Federal student loans, which has caused the price of higher education to increase exponentially. Perhaps one could be exchanged for the other.

 

[Roger Duke]

well, first of all I may be the ONLY poster on the board who has NEVER taken an entitlement, and never will. An FYI for ya = the taxpayers IS the government. This is America, remember?

I've never taken an entitlement in my life either and I am fine with helping people who need it but the abuse it getting bad. It's not just abuse by the recipients, but the politicians. Nobody wants to work anymore because welfare and social service benefits have become way too generous. Not to mention that everybody and their brother are on disability and are in much better shape I was when I was working. (I'm retired).
I was being sarcastic about the comment.
I actually did see a welfare mom on TV years ago who said (with attitude) "Why are all these Republicans complaining about all the money I'm getting from the taxpayers. I don't get a dime from the taxpayers. My welfare checks come straight from the government."

 

[Crakhobarbie]

It is time for the Democrats to be honest and admit that they want to turn America into a 100% socialist nation.
If you study the numbers it is pretty clear that we cannot sustain this path we are on. In the long run we can't afford to pay everybody more to stay home than to work. In the short term it is working well for Democrats because they are getting a lot of votes from the lazy people that they are creating.
The whole digital fiat currency house of cards is going to fall. Democrats are leading the way but Republicans are far from innocent.

If memory serves me well..... And it does.... It was Nixon..... A Republican..... who took us off the Gold standard and turned the. dollar into Fiat garbage. ...... So, let's give credit where credits due. It was a republican scab that f***ed us with fiat currency.

 

[choiceone]

The Dems want me to pay for childcare for 8,000,000 kids.

They can go **** themselves.

Why on earth should I pay for some losers' kid? Bad enough I pay through the nose so they can waste an education. Now they want a federal nanny too?

I repeat, they can go **** themselves.

They could really use some of these arguments on the Abortion forum.

 

[noonereal]

Did you vote for Biden

Of course. I have no intellectual shortcoming that would enable me to vote for TRump.

 

[Roger Duke]

Why do people pay for childcare? So they can stay home? No, they primarily pay for childcare so they can work. Married mothers didn't used to have to work. Now, it more often takes two people working to raise a family. Why? Because the gains in wealth have favored the wealthy.

Not just that. Our society is more materialistic now and that's expensive. When I was a kid, we didn't even have a telephone until I was 12. Now, we have smart phones, computers, internet, video games, satellite TV, cable TV , wifi, smart appliances, cars loaded with luxuries that we now call standard equipment. And of course we have to have the best of everything. If your fourth grader doesn't have the latest $1000 smart phone he gets laughed at in school.. if he doesn't have the newest $300 sneakers he won't have any friends. Everybody has their credit cards maxed out because they like brand names. This is no society for a minimalist.

 

[Roger Duke]

it is wise to take care of others within your society--doing so is what keeps you alive as well.

Give them more welfare money or you might get murdered for your wallet.

 

[Felis Leo]

If memory serves me well..... And it does.... It was Nixon..... A Republican..... who took us off the Gold standard and turned the. dollar into Fiat garbage. ...... So, let's give credit where credits due. It was a republican scab that f***ed us with fiat currency.

Nixon did the right thing. Tying the value of our currency to the amount of specie retained by the U.S. Treasury in Fort Knox was tying a Sixteenth Century idea of political economy to a modern industrial economy.

 

[noonereal]

They do. If they didn't work, you would have very much less than you do--and perhaps so little it may as well be nothing at all. Without the context of living in society, your work would be worth very little indeed. Don't believe me? Just go naked and without any tools or anything you got from another person out into the wilderness by yourself and see how much wealth you can amass. What you have, you have because you live in a society where everyone pitches in and preserves the efforts of the previous generations, such that labor is leveraged to produce exponentially more than it would outside any social context.

Leaving all moral issues aside, it is wise to take care of others within your society--doing so is what keeps you alive as well.

OMG!

This post is crazy bad!!!! This post perverts societies structure, responsibilities and context.

What makes it particular bad is that the approach IS correct. We do need to look to the greater good, which is what you imply, as that is what best propels sociaty. Where your posts hits crazy land is on the particulars. And this first grade shit, "go naked and without any tools or anything you got from another person out into the wilderness by yourself " is straight up asinine.

Like i said, what makes this post particularly bad is that you have the macro right. But boy oh boy does you post go off the rails.

 

[Antiwar]

Give them more welfare money or you might get murdered for your wallet.

"The Real Lessons From Bill Clinton's Welfare Reform

The 1996 creation of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program effectively killed cash assistance. Now, Republicans want to use it as a model for the rest of the social safety net."

...

"But based on several studies of TANF and its beneficiaries, it barely reaches even the poorest Americans, and has all but ceased doing the work of lifting people out of poverty.

“Welfare reform” didn’t fix welfare so much as destroy it, and if similar changes were applied to Medicaid and food stamps, they would likely do the same."

The Real Lessons From Bill Clinton's Welfare Reform

The 1996 creation of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program effectively killed cash assistance. Now, Republicans want to use it as a model for the rest of the social safety net.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[ashurbanipal]

Give them more welfare money or you might get murdered for your wallet.

Well, that's certainly one way it works--desperate people, for whom being in society simply doesn't ensure their survival any longer, will revert to a state of pure competition to stay alive. But another way it works, and one much more common, is that people are just forced to give up and stop working, reducing the amount of wealth produced by society. Reduce it enough, and even the very wealthy suddenly don't do so well. Members of the middle class find themselves in dust-bowl/great depression-type circumstances.

 

[Chillfolks]

Of course. I have no intellectual shortcoming that would enable me to vote for TRump.

Then stop bitching you helped vote for the ********er and now your intellectual shortcomings are getting exactly what they wanted. Those of us who didn’t vote for Biden are the ones getting ****ed over by your poor vote

 

[Roger Duke]

If memory serves me well..... And it does.... It was Nixon..... A Republican..... who took us off the Gold standard and turned the. dollar into Fiat garbage. ...... So, let's give credit where credits due. It was a republican scab that f***ed us with fiat currency.

You are correct. Both parties are leading us to financial ruin because they make decisions based only on short term political gain.

 

[noonereal]

First, it seems to work fine for Scandinavian countries

Good. Let the leaches live there.

I would far rather have the Federal government subsidize childcare for 8 million American kids than guarantee non-dischargeable Federal student loans

This is not an either or.

Oddly enough, I favor business paid education. It is immoral to ask 18 year old's to pay for there own training. (which is what it amounts to) On top of that, not only does the investor class enjoy the the extra profits that not paying to educate their own employees provides but they make money on the loans of the folks they later hire!

This is as immoral as capitalism can get. It is not far removed from child labor.

 

[HIP56948]

Tsk Tsk. 1,700,000,000,000 That's the amount spent on the F-35 which even the US Air Force admits is a total piece-of-shit. I don't what to hear anything about socialism or any other crap regarding giving monies to families or children. That 1.7 trillion is just the tip of the hidden iceburg that people like myself (and you) have to shell out every year.
At least if given some of that dough to families, they might actually buy something that works. Of course, the one God-damn thing that the families won't buy is some M.F. politician

 

[ashurbanipal]

OMG!

This post is crazy bad!!!! This post perverts societies structure, responsibilities and context.

No. Rather, the way we are taught to think of the matter is reversed from what is actually the case. The proposed experiment from my last post shows that this is the case. In the first instance, individuals do not produce much wealth. Societies make the far greater contribution.

What makes it particular bad is that the approach IS correct. We do need to look to the greater good, which is what you imply, as that is what best propels sociaty. Where your posts hits crazy land is on the particulars. And this first grade shit, "go naked and without any tools or anything you got from another person out into the wilderness by yourself " is straight up asinine.

If that were so, you'd be able to say why. But in fact, as more or less everyone knows, if we all just gave up interfacing with each other, didn't get tools, clothes, medicines, food, water, transportation, knowledge, etc. produced by someone else, we wouldn't do very well. That's what going naked into the wilderness would achieve as an experimental condition--you'd be giving up any tools or aids you got from anyone else, in order to measure just how much your labor is actually worth all on its own, outside of any kind of social context. And as pretty much anyone realizes, the most likely outcome of such an endeavor is that you'd be dead in a few days. On the very rare chance that you do survive, you might end up with some wood-and-stone tools and a one-room stacked-stone dwelling with a thatch roof. Which, I imagine is a pretty far cry from the amount of wealth you have now.

Like i said, what makes this post particularly bad is that you have the macro right. But boy oh boy does you post go off the rails.

Well, again, if this were true, you'd be able to say why.

 

[Felis Leo]

Good. Let the leaches live there.

I do not see how on Earth those people who need childcare to be paid for in order to join the workforce or seek education are leeches, noonereal. Seems quite the opposite, in fact.

This is not an either or.

Oddly enough, I favor business paid education. It is immoral to ask 18 year old's to pay for there own training. (which is what it amounts to) On top of that, not only does the investor class enjoy the the extra profits that not paying to educate their own employees provides but they make money on the loans of the folks they later hire!

This is as immoral as capitalism can get. It is not far removed from child labor.

I do not disagree.

 

[Roger Duke]

Nixon did the right thing. Tying the value of our currency to the amount of specie retained by the U.S. Treasury in Fort Knox was tying a Sixteenth Century idea of political economy to a modern industrial economy.

And is also a big risky experiment. It is the first time in thousands of years of the history of money in all cultures that humans have ever had a monetary system based on nothing but faith in governments.
It's worked so far but 50 years of abuse and manipulation by politicians are starting to show cracks in the walls of the fiat currency house of cards. The biggest crack manifested itself as a 28 trillion dollar debt by the US, a country that is "rich". And that doesn't count credit card debt, housing debt, auto debt, corporate and business debt. Also student loan debt alone is now higher than the housing debt that caused the Great Recession in 2008. The canary in the coal mine is dead.

 

[noonereal]

No. Rather, the way we are taught to think of the matter is reversed from what is actually the case. The proposed experiment from my last post shows that this is the case. In the first instance, individuals do not produce much wealth. Societies make the far greater contribution.

Agree but I told you that you were correct in macro so it makes no sense that you disagree with me on something we agree on.

If that were so, you'd be able to say why. But in fact, as more or less everyone knows, if we all just gave up interfacing with each other, didn't get tools, clothes, medicines, food, water, transportation, knowledge, etc. produced by someone else, we wouldn't do very well. That's what going naked into the wilderness would achieve as an experimental condition--you'd be giving up any tools or aids you got from anyone else, in order to measure just how much your labor is actually worth all on its own, outside of any kind of social context.

OK, back in crazy land.

Listen, I will not finish reading this post after this bit of hysteria.

I am not a libertarian. That is what you describe. One not reasoning well on top of it.

I am done with stupid posts.

Enjoy

 

[Roger Duke]

"The Real Lessons From Bill Clinton's Welfare Reform

The 1996 creation of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program effectively killed cash assistance. Now, Republicans want to use it as a model for the rest of the social safety net."

...

"But based on several studies of TANF and its beneficiaries, it barely reaches even the poorest Americans, and has all but ceased doing the work of lifting people out of poverty.

“Welfare reform” didn’t fix welfare so much as destroy it, and if similar changes were applied to Medicaid and food stamps, they would likely do the same."

The Real Lessons From Bill Clinton's Welfare Reform

The 1996 creation of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program effectively killed cash assistance. Now, Republicans want to use it as a model for the rest of the social safety net.

www.theatlantic.com

Bill Clinton's welfare reform is your excuse to give lazy people even more free money?

 

[Felis Leo]

And is also a big risky experiment. It is the first time in thousands of years of the history of money in all cultures that humans have ever had a monetary system based on nothing but faith in governments.
It's worked so far but 50 years of abuse and manipulation by politicians are starting to show cracks in the walls of the fiat currency house of cards. The biggest crack manifested itself as a 28 trillion dollar debt by the US, a country that is "rich". And that doesn't count credit card debt, housing debt, auto debt, corporate and business debt. Also student loan debt alone is now higher than the housing debt that caused the Great Recession in 2008. The canary in the coal mine is dead.

I do not disagree with you, Roger Duke. Eventually the Piper shall have to be paid, and it will lead to a massive raising of taxes, massive inflation, dramatic austerity as government spending and subsidies in every sector are cut to the bone, or the whole trifecta.

 

[Roger Duke]

I am done with stupid posts.

You are on the wrong forums. 100% of the people on DP think 50% of the posts are stupid.

 

[noonereal]

I do not see how on Earth those people who need childcare to be paid for in order to join the workforce or seek education are leeches

It was there irresponsible actions, having kids they could not afford. I will not pay for another's folly. **** them.

You could talk me into loaning them money to pay for their childcare, maybe. I would want a good return on investment before I sign on.

Sorry, I see a clear delineation between educational needs to benefit sociaty and irresponsible people spitting out babies.

 

[Antiwar]

Bill Clinton's welfare reform is your excuse to give lazy people even more free money?

You refuse to get off your meritocratic (and wrong) horse. You just say the first thing that pops into your head, which is the same wrong thing you've said several times in this thread. You refuse to learn. Not that I'm a teacher, but you're a broken record.