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The Defense of Israel and of Western Civilization are one.

It should also be mentioned that radical Islam (or Islamism) is first and foremost an enemy of Muslims wherever they are, as they are the first victims of its barbaric proponents.

Good point. We will never know how many Muslims in countries like Saudi Arabia are closet atheists because they would be killed if they come out.

Side note: I think the word 'Islamism' is too mild to describe the doctrine of Islam as set out in the Quran. I prefer 'Islamosupremcay'. If 'whiteness' were inserted in every verse that extolled the virtues of Islam, the world would have no hesitation in labeling it a doctrine of white supremacy.
 
Israel is only being subsidized because of the strain of defending itself.

Naive ( at best) in the extreme.

You cannot legitimately claim " self defence" against a people you are illegally occupying, illegally settling and forcing to live under an illegal apartheid system

Never thought that the corporate arms dealers in the USA are doing well out of watching the public money going into their private pockets year in , year out, in the $billions?

Or it's usefulness as an offshore US proxy in a strategic global resource hub?
I think you know what would happen if "Palestine" merged with Israel.

Palestine is separate and should be free, not sure where you got the above from.
 
FYI regarding Ganondagan:

He openly believes it’s okay to kill Palestinians because they are Muslim.

 
Or it's usefulness as an offshore US proxy in a strategic global resource hub?
Yes, that is a vital Western interest. Why should the world be in thrall to a wild Islamist madman or madmen
Palestine is separate and should be free, not sure where you got the above from.
Would "Palestine" being free mean that it is under the control of a fanatic murderer?
 
Yes, that is a vital Western interest. Why should the world be in thrall to a wild Islamist madman or madmen
So you think it's really western oil/gas that somehow ended up under the feet of Arabs?

You really don't see the madmen in your own ranks do you?


Would "Palestine" being free mean that it is under the control of a fanatic murderer?

Would you say the US is free?

I'm sure you would but it doesn't compute that it's run by madmen who have much greater crimes to answer for than most ME tin pot leaderships.

There's really no discussing things accurately with people that are so "in thrall" to western propaganda imo They live in an alternate reality
 
Israel is reassured that America really is a dependable ally after all.

Trump wants Israel to defeat Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran by Jan. 20​

Donald Trump wants Israel to finish the job from now until January 20th, eliminate Iran’s two proxies in Lebanon and Gaza, and end the war. I also believe he wants Israel to deal with Iran by January 20th. Israel cannot strike Iran’s nuclear facilities because they are hidden underground, so Israel should target Iran’s oil facilities and, by doing so, bankrupt Iran. If Israel hits Iran’s refineries located on a single island, it would lead to Iran’s bankruptcy.”

That according to American Evangelical leader Mike Evans in an interview with Israel Today. Evans is among a small group of prominent pro-Israel Christian leaders who advised Trump during his first presidency.

Evans emphasized that Trump’s election victory is a gift to Israel from God: “Trump has moral clarity. He sees things simply. Good versus evil. In his eyes, Israel is good, and its enemies are evil. Under Biden, it was the opposite. They viewed Israel’s enemies as victims and Israel as the aggressor. They repeatedly pushed for concessions...

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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

So the expectation is what's taken Israel over a year to handle and is still not apparently complete for the HAMAS war, is expected to be completed in 2 months? Well alrighty then Israel, you've got your marching orders.
 
FYI regarding Ganondagan:

He openly believes it’s okay to kill Palestinians because they are Muslim.

Questerr:

Yes, based on the posts made on this forum, that seems to be an accurate summation of this one poster's position. Alas, he(?) is not alone on this forum by holding and espousing these hateful views. Hate of the "other" is a powerful and common human trait, unfortunately.

Be safe and be well.
Exilroddy.
 
So you DO think it's western oil. 😂
Yes. Even in the early 1970's I felt that the "nationalization" or turnover to very wealthy Arabs should have been resisted. Do we confiscate copper deposits mined by Canadian companies?
 
Israel's industrial-scale annihilation of civilians in Gaza can be seen as one more example of Western Civilization producing genocide:

https://www.mqup.ca/barbaric-civilization-products-9780773538566.php

"Why have the largest mass murders in human history taken place in the past hundred years? Why have European colonizers so often denied the humanity of the colonized? In Barbaric Civilization, Christopher Powell advances a radical thesis to answer these questions: that civilization produces genocides."

Zionism, capitalism, and the US empire express the essential features of white supremacy; Gaza is the latest evidence.
 
Israel's industrial-scale annihilation of civilians in Gaza can be seen as one more example of Western Civilization producing genocide:
Western civilization is in a tough spot battling October 7-type barbarians.
 
Western civilization is in a tough spot battling October 7-type barbarians.
Western civilization perfected genocide; Israeli Jews are its latest adherents:

https://pressbooks.nscc.ca/worldhistory/chapter/chapter-11-the-holocaust/

"The term 'genocide' was adopted in the immediate aftermath of World War II out of the need to designate, to name, the most horrendous crime perpetrated by the Nazi regime: the systematic, state-run murder of the European Jews.

"The word itself means 'murder of a people,' and while the act of genocide was not invented in the twentieth century – forms of genocide have occurred since the ancient world – never before had a government carried out a genocide that was as far-reaching, as bureaucratically-managed, or as focused as the Holocaust."
 
Israel's industrial-scale annihilation of civilians in Gaza can be seen as one more example of Western Civilization producing genocide:

https://www.mqup.ca/barbaric-civilization-products-9780773538566.php

"Why have the largest mass murders in human history taken place in the past hundred years? Why have European colonizers so often denied the humanity of the colonized? In Barbaric Civilization, Christopher Powell advances a radical thesis to answer these questions: that civilization produces genocides."

Zionism, capitalism, and the US empire express the essential features of white supremacy; Gaza is the latest evidence.

While I understand the veracity of the above you can't help but see how the framing offers up questions of its own.

I haven't read this yet but thx for putting it up I hope to read it asap.

No imperialist has ever gone anywhere with a view to promoting "civilization" imo they have gone to steal and enrich themselves and any benefits to the targeted people will be either for self serving reasons or born out of necessity

The Palestine situation was born from white supremacism, is sustained by it and is an abhorrent throw back to the age of colonialism that we hoped had died in the post WW2 period.

Zionism in it's current state is a racist settler colonialist project
 
While I understand the veracity of the above you can't help but see how the framing offers up questions of its own.

I haven't read this yet but thx for putting it up I hope to read it asap.

No imperialist has ever gone anywhere with a view to promoting "civilization" imo they have gone to steal and enrich themselves and any benefits to the targeted people will be either for self serving reasons or born out of necessity

The Palestine situation was born from white supremacism, is sustained by it and is an abhorrent throw back to the age of colonialism that we hoped had died in the post WW2 period.

Zionism in it's current state is a racist settler colonialist project
Dr. Feroze Sidhwa is best known for drafting two open letters to the Biden administration, signed by dozens of other medical professionals who have worked in Gaza, to bring attention to the deliberate murder of pre-teen aged Palestinians.

Dr. Sidhwa views what's happening in Gaza this very minute as a "prelude to the end of humanity."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/10/18/hwiv-o18.html

"He (Sidhwa) wrote that he had 'worked as a trauma surgeon in Gaza from March 25 to April 8. I’ve volunteered in Ukraine and Haiti, and I grew up in Flint, Michigan. I’ve seen violence and worked in conflict zones.'

"'But of the many things that stood out about working in a hospital in Gaza, one got to me: Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die.'"

"The purpose of the report was to tell the world what 'independent observers who have seen war from the ground, day after day, volunteer healthcare workers,' experienced, he said.

"The column was the first significant report in the
Times on the deliberate mass killing of children and other helpless victims of the genocide..."
 
Why is Israel getting the bulk of U.N. violations when there are far more examples in the world, such as Sudan?

Fighting back is not "ethic cleansing."

Then why is aid money being used to construct tunnels?

They make "doing it carefully" impossible when they hide among civilians.
Who told you aid money is used to build tunnels; the unimpeachable, truthful and always reliable Israeli propaganda machine? The plan by Israel to annex both Gaza and the West Bank and expel Gazan civilians, absolutely is ethnic cleansing. Furthermore it won't be the first time Zionist thugs have indulged in ethnic cleansing. Does 'Nakba' ring any bells?





These are the actions of a criminal, apartheid, pariah state which has no regard for the international laws, rules and conventions it agreed to observe and abide by when admitted to the UN, and being signatory to the UN Charter. No excuses.
 
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Who told you aid money is used to build tunnels; the unimpeachable, truthful and always reliable Israeli propaganda machine? The plan by Israel to annex both Gaza and the West Bank and expel Gazan civilians, absolutely is ethnic cleansing. Furthermore it won't be the first time Zionist thugs have indulged in ethnic cleansing. Does 'Nakba' ring any bells?





These are the actions of a criminal, apartheid, pariah state which has no regard for the international laws, rules and conventions it agreed to observe and abide by when admitted to the UN, and being signatory to the UN Charter. No excuses.

Sounds reasonable. Also, end Arab control of the Temple Mount.
 
Who told you aid money is used to build tunnels; the unimpeachable, truthful and always reliable Israeli propaganda machine? The plan by Israel to annex both Gaza and the West Bank and expel Gazan civilians, absolutely is ethnic cleansing. Furthermore it won't be the first time Zionist thugs have indulged in ethnic cleansing. Does 'Nakba' ring any bells?





These are the actions of a criminal, apartheid, pariah state which has no regard for the international laws, rules and conventions it agreed to observe and abide by when admitted to the UN, and being signatory to the UN Charter. No excuses.

Where did all the concrete come from to build the tunnels?
 
Who told you aid money is used to build tunnels; the unimpeachable, truthful and always reliable Israeli propaganda machine? The plan by Israel to annex both Gaza and the West Bank and expel Gazan civilians, absolutely is ethnic cleansing. Furthermore it won't be the first time Zionist thugs have indulged in ethnic cleansing. Does 'Nakba' ring any bells?





These are the actions of a criminal, apartheid, pariah state which has no regard for the international laws, rules and conventions it agreed to observe and abide by when admitted to the UN, and being signatory to the UN Charter. No excuses.
If they stopped fighting maybe the results would be different. You ignored this:
jbg said:
Fighting back is not "ethic cleansing."
 
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