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The culture wars will never end, and neither will fake culture wars

Uh, HELLO? "Both sides" love the culture wars. 'Liberals and progressives' are the ones who start most of them (often for good reasons).

The majority of people here are bickering about culture war issues. And they try to plow progressive principles under.

These days trying to make sure there are public schools and some basic safety nets or programs for orphaned children, that there is racism in this country, or saying we should pay attention to what doctors and scientists say, is all considered "starting a culture war" by our conservative friends.
 
Progressives even apply conservatism to science. Whereas anyone with half a brain understands that the body of scientific knowledge is constantly changing, progressives mouth vapid statements such as "the science is settled", when it comes to their pet issues.

Science is a methodology, not an ideology. Certain issues are settled because there is no conceivable way of advancing the available data. For example, gravity. If you don't think the science of gravity is settled (as it relates to your existence), I would invite you to test it.

Science isn't progressive or conservative in the sense that you could possibly mean it. Progressivism, as a political ideology, is aimed at advancing the quality of life through government policy. Conservatism is generally about maintaining the status quo, and in many cases rolling back progress.

Science doesn't seek to maintain the status quo or progress society. It is literally just a way of understanding natural phenomena.
 
Uh, HELLO? "Both sides" love the culture wars. 'Liberals and progressives' are the ones who start most of them (often for good reasons).

The majority of people here are bickering about culture war issues. And they try to plow progressive principles under.

I think a certain flavor of Democrat loves the culture wars (the Pelosi wing of the Democratic party), just as they love Trump and the ability to fundraise of him. I think there is a nuanced difference between fighting for progress and engaging in culture wars for the sake of political mobilization.
 
Certain issues are settled because there is no conceivable way of advancing the available data. For example, gravity. If you don't think the science of gravity is settled (as it relates to your existence), I would invite you to test it.

Gravity is not "settled science". We don't even know what gravity is:

In some ways, the story of gravity is also the story of physics, with some of the field's biggest names finding fame by defining the force that ruled their lives. But even after more than 400 years of study, the enigmatic force still lies at the heart of some of the discipline's greatest mysteries.


Question: What is gravity?

Answer: We don't really know. We can define what it is as a field of influence, because we know how it operates in the universe. And some scientists think that it is made up of particles called gravitons which travel at the speed of light. However, if we are to be honest, we do not know what gravity "is" in any fundamental way - we only know how it behaves.


So your view is that there will no further advancements in the future regarding our understanding of gravity, because the science is settled?

Progressivism, as a political ideology, is aimed at advancing the quality of life through government policy.

Yes, with everything from alcohol prohibition to eugenics to modern woke culture which treats black people like perpetual victims and white people like villains.

Progressivism, as a political ideology, is a toxic pile of shit.
 
Gravity is not "settled science". We don't even know what gravity is:

So your view is that there will no further advancements in the future regarding our understanding of gravity, because the science is settled?

This is why you wouldn't do well in the sciences. Re-read what I said. I said gravity is settled as it relates to YOUR life, and virtually all exploration of gravity at this point is not based on observable science (because there is no capacity to observe it). It's an extrapolation of what is observed, so the science is very muddy. However, if you jump off a building, there science is settled that you will fall.

Yes, with everything from alcohol prohibition to eugenics to modern woke culture which treats black people like perpetual victims and white people like villains.

Alcohol prohibition was a conservative policy, just as the War on Drugs is a conservative policy. And being the perpetual victim is the FOUNDATION of right-wing ideology. It involves a cultural/racial/economic hierarchy, with one group (generally white males) feeling that their position is being usurped by minorities, immigrants, the LGBTQ, Muslims or Jews.

Make America/Russia/Turkey/Germany Great Again is straight from the fascist playbook. It involves an imagined 'Glory Era' having passed, but which can revisited by eradicating socialism, diversity, Jews, and suppressing the forces that are currently preventing the 'true population' from being dominant.

Textbook fascism.
 
The right-wing will never stop generating culture war issues, because without it, there is literally nothing in the movement except tax cuts for the wealthy. Nothing. The right can't win elections without them.

If every single culture war issue were addressed today, the right-wing would generate new ones the next day. It would not stop with abortion bans, LGBTQ discrimination, or removing affirmative action. Every single right-winger knows this.
The thing is that you're correct while also being wrong. Yes, there will always be culture wars because there will always be a conflict in cultures. That can be a from generational differences, regional difference, ethnic differences, nationality differences, ect. ect. The options for what causes various cultural differences is nearly endless.

This will inevitably result in there being conflict. So, in the general sense, you're correct. However, everything you specifically wrote on it is wrong. You act like it is only conservatives who do culture war shit, and not everyone. Critical Race Theory is a good example of the left being fully involved in the culture war, as what is said is CRT is not what CRT is in reality. What it is in reality is a divisive ideology that is meant to change culture. That's culture war right there. You can't say that ONLY conservatives are fighting a culture war because they are fighting back against CRT indoctrination.
 
Whats even more said is fake drummed up culture wars are arguable the thing that holds this country back the most and we see that reality when in specific cases we see ourselves behind the times on certain issues compared to other countries that never had that particular culture war or realized it was stupid and anti-productive
IMO, we are behind other countries because of the religious right and its hold on the Republican party. I'm sure that, if they could, they would go back to Old Testament wars and killing of those who don't accept their fanatical beliefs No much different from the Talliban.
 
Gravity is not "settled science". We don't even know what gravity is:





So your view is that there will no further advancements in the future regarding our understanding of gravity, because the science is settled?



Yes, with everything from alcohol prohibition to eugenics to modern woke culture which treats black people like perpetual victims and white people like villains.

Progressivism, as a political ideology, is a toxic pile of shit.

No science is ever settled. It always remains open to further observations or more clever models. But, unlike what many scientifically literate lay people think, that does not mean we ignore the latest consensus of the experts working in that field. That is the only definition of “settled science”.

But even the worlds biggest experts are always trying to keep up with the latest journals and the most recent editions of the textbooks in their field.

If you want to get really philosophically technical about it, science is what an epistemologist would consider “anti-foundationalist” but also “anti-skeptical”- seemingly self-contradictory position. But it’s really not. If you’re interested in the philosophical aspects of this and you want to discuss what this means exactly a little more, let me know. But I have found most people just are not interested. They prefer easy slogans and quick sound bytes. Thinking is hard.
 
The thing is that you're correct while also being wrong. Yes, there will always be culture wars because there will always be a conflict in cultures. That can be a from generational differences, regional difference, ethnic differences, nationality differences, ect. ect. The options for what causes various cultural differences is nearly endless.

This will inevitably result in there being conflict. So, in the general sense, you're correct. However, everything you specifically wrote on it is wrong. You act like it is only conservatives who do culture war shit, and not everyone. Critical Race Theory is a good example of the left being fully involved in the culture war, as what is said is CRT is not what CRT is in reality. What it is in reality is a divisive ideology that is meant to change culture. That's culture war right there. You can't say that ONLY conservatives are fighting a culture war because they are fighting back against CRT indoctrination.

Rufo would look at your post and smile.
 
Conservatives by definition want to maintain the status quo, because the status quo is racist, homophobic, and religiously bigoted- and they feel this keeps them at the top of the food chain in American society.

But like the rest of their policy positions, from Covid and climate change to foreign policy, it’s short sighted thinking which does not think about how sticking with the status quo will impact them in the long-term. The GOP should more accurately be called the myopic party.
Progressives by definition want to change things and what they want to change them to is racist, sexist, and religiously bigoted targeted towards particular groups. In fact, racism in significantly more mainstream among progressives than conservatives to the point where it's declared right out in the open and applauded.
 
Progressives by definition want to change things and what they want to change them to is racist, sexist, and religiously bigoted targeted towards particular groups. In fact, racism in significantly more mainstream among progressives than conservatives to the point where it's declared right out in the open and applauded.

The problem is that white conservative males think America belongs to them, and efforts to achieve equality in a diverse society is the chief cause and fuel of the culture wars. It really is a zero sum game. In the system that white conservative males have set up, they must lose power for others to gain it. This is the harsh reality.

The reason conservatives have given up on democracy is because they can no longer maintain power in a democratic system. Hence their increasing need to suppress voting rights and otherwise rig the system.

Even then, after all that cheating, conservative are only barely competitive.
 
The problem is that white conservative males think America belongs to them, and efforts to achieve equality in a diverse society is the chief cause and fuel of the culture wars. It really is a zero sum game. In the system that white conservative males have set up, they must lose power for others to gain it. This is the harsh reality.

The reason conservatives have given up on democracy is because they can no longer maintain power in a democratic system. Hence their increasing need to suppress voting rights and otherwise rig the system.

Even then, after all that cheating, conservative are only barely competitive.
^----The problem with radical leftists, like yourself, is that you cannot actually defend your position so you make up a bunch of bullshit rhetoric in hopes that people will mistake that for actual content or cogent thought.
 
^----The problem with radical leftists, like yourself, is that you cannot actually defend your position so you make up a bunch of bullshit rhetoric in hopes that people will mistake that for actual content or cogent thought.

I don't know what to tell you. What I posted isn't even really debatable. What are you looking for? Articles of Republicans cheating an engaging in culture wars? You can't even read the OP.
 
I don't know what to tell you. What I posted isn't even really debatable. What are you looking for? Articles of Republicans cheating an engaging in culture wars? You can't even read the OP.
What you posted had nothing to do with what you quoted from me.
 
Progressives by definition want to change things and what they want to change them to is racist, sexist, and religiously bigoted targeted towards particular groups. In fact, racism in significantly more mainstream among progressives than conservatives to the point where it's declared right out in the open and applauded.

Conservatives think that singling out certain particular racial or religious groups and telling them they can not continue to have hegemony over all society and culture is persecution, bigotry, and racism. They are going to have to learn to live in a society of equals. Poor little victims. Boohoo. Our little liberal hearts bleed for them.
 
Conservatives think that singling out certain particular racial or religious groups and telling them they can not continue to have hegemony over all society and culture is persecution, bigotry, and racism. They are going to have to learn to live in a society of equals. Poor little victims. Boohoo. Our little liberal hearts bleed for them.
Leftists think that this is actually what is being referenced when we bring things up about ya'lls racism, sexism, bigotry, and just being terrible people in general.
 
IMO, we are behind other countries because of the religious right and its hold on the Republican party. I'm sure that, if they could, they would go back to Old Testament wars and killing of those who don't accept their fanatical beliefs No much different from the Talliban.
this is "a" factor indeed
the extremists have to much of a strong hold and are allowed to be part of the team in the front of the room when they should be exiled
 
Leftists think that this is actually what is being referenced when we bring things up about ya'lls racism, sexism, bigotry, and just being terrible people in general.

Yeah, we do. You are feeling like victims because you are being told you are an equal citizen to other fellow citizens and can't have special privileges because of your religion or skin color. So persecuted!
 
What you posted had nothing to do with what you quoted from me.

Your post was just crying about radical leftists and 'bullshit rhetoric' (aka points you can't dispute). You can't even refute the OP without ignoring the cited content.
 
tbf, this is nothing new. i've watched from Limbaugh (and way before) use propaganda to achieve their goals. this is just a continuation of what works for them.
 
Right Wing is nothing but "Confederate Segregationist".... It has never been anything more than that.

The Wealthy have used LOBBYIST GROUPING THEY CALL "Modern Day Republican Political Party", which is the: Anti-Tax, Anti-Regulation, Anti- Democracy, Anti-Racial Equality, Anti-Gender Equality and Anti-Preamble of The Constitution.

The creation of Political Party was created and crafted by "The Wealthy" to DIVIDE the wealthy from the working class, and people are blind to that fact, because of the Racism that the wealthy embraced based on the History of Slavery that exist even before America gained its Independence.

The Lobbyist Groups known as Political Party grew from the Ideology of Pro Slavery and Anti Slavery mentality and the mentality to seperate the Poor White from The Well to Do Whites, and because the poor whites were uneducated they were easily used by the wealthy to back the agenda of the wealthy. They suckered in the working poor by a claim of Fiscal Conservatism, which basically only wanted Tax Money to be spent on what the Wealthy Wanted!!! The Wealthy controlled the jobs, and if Poor whites did not vote the way the wealthy wanted, they could kiss their jobs good bye.
Today, they groups them together under the word "gerrymandering' and these people submit to it even still, after 100's of years and still can't and don't think deep enough to know it, because they have been made slaves to Racism.

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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY "NO NEED" FOR POLITICAL PARTIES.

We already have " A House of Representative, where there is Representatives from EACH STATE.
We already have " A Senate, where each State gets 2 Senators.

There is no need for Lobbyist Groups called Political Parties. It's up to the people to know what bills and measures are, and who their representative is and their Representative should have the Integrity to Represent The People of their District, and (NO DISTRICT) is made up of all people with a single mindset about Bills and Measures. So... the stupidity of Political Groups, called Party.. should be OUTLAWED, as Un-Constitutional.

America does not need the divisiveness of Political Parties

We already have the Division of Legislative Powers, by having a "House of Representatives" and a "Senate".

The House of Representative Craft Legislation, and The Senate Confirms Legislation, and The President Signs it into Law.

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The very reason why the details of Civics is NOT taught in American Schools, is because the intent it to keep the people IGNORANCE, so they can be herded into Party Divisiveness.

We see it everyday, 85+% of the people, talking all this Republican/Conservative, Democrat/Liberal... stuff... are basically "Illiterate" to what and how "Representative Democracy Works" in a Republic Form of Governance. ( All a "REPUBLIC" means is, "we do not have a King or Monarchy".. we have a Citizen Representative System of Governance (WE THE PEOPLE).

The average participant in these type of Forums have never read a Legislative Bill or Measure in its entirety in their whole life.

It's just a mass of people, looking for a Lobbyist Group, to tell them how to think and what to go for and what not to go for and they are "ignorant enough to be a slave to such dictations". Then stupid enough to "Stick a Lobbyist Label" to dictate and control their thought process and their lives. That's how suckers are made and why we have such ignorance in society who does not understand the first thing about the responsibility of "Representative Governance".

We have dumb ass people who like people like Hawley, Green, Cruz and other push a bunch of distraction bullshit, that keeps people caught in a stupidity loop.. Then a Barbaric Savage like Trump comes along and turn them into full fledged "Barbaric Cult".
 
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