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The correlation between the stock market and the president's political party

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From the right-leaning Forbes magazine comes an admission that has long known to be true:

Better stock markets are positively correlated with Democratic Presidents.

Some people will armchair quarterback that correlation and causation are not the same thing. They are right. But a lack of negative correlation does mean a lack of negative causation. In simpler terms, overall, Democratic Presidents do not hurt the economy, and they might help it. :)
 
From the right-leaning Forbes magazine comes an admission that has long known to be true:

Better stock markets are positively correlated with Democratic Presidents.

Some people will armchair quarterback that correlation and causation are not the same thing. They are right. But a lack of negative correlation does mean a lack of negative causation. In simpler terms, overall, Democratic Presidents do not hurt the economy, and they might help it. :)



The stock market and the economy, unrelated, tend to do better under Dem admin than Rep. What should be noted is that regardless of political party, the rich and large corps always do better. And the wealth gap keeps widening, regardless of which party is in "control". The only thing the Dems are good for is to keep society from going into servitude. I mean literal, structural servitude. Not philosophically arguable servitude. They just keep people with the least from falling over the edge of the flat-earth made by the Reps who are pushing them over.
 
Some people will armchair quarterback that correlation and causation are not the same thing. They are right. But a lack of negative correlation does mean a lack of negative causation. In simpler terms, overall, Democratic Presidents do not hurt the economy, and they might help it. :)

Democrats don't hurt the economy or the stock market? The stock market isn't the economy any more that the commodities or real estate markets are. They're assets, that's all. And they're inflated not thanks to politicians, but to central banks. Generally speaking, increased regulation and taxation are not conducive to growing an economy.
 
What should be noted is that regardless of political party, the rich and large corps always do better. And the wealth gap keeps widening, regardless of which party is in "control". The only thing the Dems are good for is to keep society from going into servitude. I mean literal, structural servitude. Not philosophically arguable servitude. They just keep people with the least from falling over the edge of the flat-earth made by the Reps who are pushing them over.

The way to get wealthy in this country is to "own" an asset: real estate, a business, commodities, stocks, bonds, an income stream thanks education or talent. The "wealth gap" is increasing because assets are going up in value. Just five corporations have $6 trillion worth of market capitalization. The middle class kept up for awhile by owning homes, but they got gut punched during the Great Recession. Many of them became renters. They've tried to support their standard of living through borrowing, but this is a losing proposition in the long run. With stocks, bonds, and real estate going up in value for ten years no one should be surprised if there's a growing wealth gap.
 
Democrats don't hurt the economy or the stock market? The stock market isn't the economy any more that the commodities or real estate markets are. They're assets, that's all. And they're inflated not thanks to politicians, but to central banks. Generally speaking, increased regulation and taxation are not conducive to growing an economy.

Increased regulation and taxation can be conducive to sustained sensible economic growth in cases where there are too few regulations in place to regulate that growth at a sustainable level in the first place. Lowering taxes and easing regulations always results in a brief economic surge, however when there weren't enough stabilizing regulations to begin with, the bubble quickly pops, the economy starves itself of fuel, and it collapses in on itself in a recession that no amount of further lowered taxes or decreased regulations can prevent.

That's what traditional laissez-faire capitalist conservatives either fail to see, or are too cynical to admit: They see the brief economic spike that usually results from lowered taxes and easing regulations and behave as though this is a sustainable practice. "If a little is good, then a lot must be better." But history proves that it's not. That's why Republicans have such a bad track record of starting with a surging economy only to have it falter on them near the end of their administrations, and why Democrats have a track record of inheriting an economic recession and stabilizing it through increased regulations meant to prevent future recessions at the cost of the political opportunity to create a new unsustainable bubble to campaign on.

Ideally an economy should be regulated to prevent recessions, but this comes at the cost of economic bubbles. This lack of economic bubbles is not attractive to wealthy lobbyists who make their fortunes on these bubbles, and is why conservative Republicans are traditionally the party of lowered taxes and decreased regulations: It allows the rich to get richer at the expense of the poor, and is why so many billions are poured into the GOP propaganda machine: Because the people that are determining conservative policy are the wealthiest 1% of society who care only about increasing their own fortunes.
 
The way to get wealthy in this country is to "own" an asset: real estate, a business, commodities, stocks, bonds, an income stream thanks education or talent. The "wealth gap" is increasing because assets are going up in value. Just five corporations have $6 trillion worth of market capitalization. The middle class kept up for awhile by owning homes, but they got gut punched during the Great Recession. Many of them became renters. They've tried to support their standard of living through borrowing, but this is a losing proposition in the long run. With stocks, bonds, and real estate going up in value for ten years no one should be surprised if there's a growing wealth gap.



So, what you're saying is more people should be buying stocks, bonds, real estate (add'l, I presume) to close that wealth gap?
 
once again leftist have no clue what they are talking about.

correlation without causation fallacies.
 
The way to get wealthy in this country is to "own" an asset: real estate, a business, commodities, stocks, bonds, an income stream thanks education or talent. The "wealth gap" is increasing because assets are going up in value. Just five corporations have $6 trillion worth of market capitalization. The middle class kept up for awhile by owning homes, but they got gut punched during the Great Recession. Many of them became renters. They've tried to support their standard of living through borrowing, but this is a losing proposition in the long run. With stocks, bonds, and real estate going up in value for ten years no one should be surprised if there's a growing wealth gap.

It is deeper than that. The entire Generation of people in the 70's-80's and the middle class was enjoying high savings rates.
During the 70-80's cd rates were high. you could capitalize quickly on CD rates and saving accounts. Which is where most of the middle class
put a lot of their money.

At the time stock investing was expensive and brokers cost a fortune. With CD rate paying up to 18-20% at times the returns on those investments for middle class americans was huge.
Also it allowed for the stablization of savings accounts. SO yes the middle class was keeping up with the rich due to these types of rates.

Where the separation begins in the late 89's and early 90's when interest rates dropped like a rock and the stock market became more available to people through online trading.
it was still expensive as most trading platforms charged a fee per trade but people could make more money.

most middle class people never made the switch and so their investments in CD's and bonds were grossly outmatched.


now putting your money in CD's or a savings account is wasted.
 
So, what you're saying is more people should be buying stocks, bonds, real estate (add'l, I presume) to close that wealth gap?

In a manner of speaking, yes. The "wealth gap" goes up when stocks go up because that's where the 1%ers have their money. Jeff Bezos owns 11.1% of Amazon. With a market cap of $1.5 trillion, that makes his stake just in that company worth $165 billion. His net worth is just under $200 billion and fluctuates on a daily basis in the hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. Giving his employees a pay raise won't do much to put a dent in the disparity between his net worth and theirs. But employees who received stock options or who invested in his company and held onto their shares also made money.
 
In a manner of speaking, yes. The "wealth gap" goes up when stocks go up because that's where the 1%ers have their money. Jeff Bezos owns 11.1% of Amazon. With a market cap of $1.5 trillion, that makes his stake just in that company worth $165 billion. His net worth is just under $200 billion and fluctuates on a daily basis in the hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. Giving his employees a pay raise won't do much to put a dent in the disparity between his net worth and theirs. But employees who received stock options or who invested in his company and held onto their shares also made money.



Do your figures account for the 25% share of Bezos stock holdings his x got in divorce settlement? All these people we talk about being worth X amount aren't when you account for how much of that is due the marriage partner. In fact, women partners outlive men who most often leave their $ to them. If women decided to use their money to really push women's rights...
 
From the right-leaning Forbes magazine comes an admission that has long known to be true: Better stock markets are positively correlated with Democratic Presidents.

Some people will armchair quarterback that correlation and causation are not the same thing. They are right. But a lack of negative correlation does mean a lack of negative causation. In simpler terms, overall, Democratic Presidents do not hurt the economy, and they might help it. :)

I thought I'd share a few comments on why correlation is not causation so that we have a sense of what questions we should be asking when we are confronted with correlations, yet are interested in causal impact. In the context of your comment, the treatment (by analogy with medical trials) is whether or not the President is a Democrat and the response variable you chose is the cumultative return on the S&P500 (call it Y for simplicity). What truly want to estimate is the expected difference between Y if D=Democrat and Y if D=Republican. Mathematically, we would write E(Y|D=1) - E(Y|D=0) with he "reference case" (D=0) being a Republican President. Then, it's just a problem of properly estimating those quantities.

One approach would be express those expected values as functions and limit our attention to estimating parameters. For example, if I chose a linear function, I could express this as E(Y|D) = a + b*D with my problem now being to estimate the constant "a" and the slope "b". Obviously, the causal effect is "b" here: E(Y|D=1) - E(Y|D=0) = (a + b*1) - (a + b*0) = b. To apply this on data, we'll just say that we observe this relationship with noise -- meaning, unmodeled factors get lumped into a new variable, say, e. Hence, we get Y = a + b*D + e.

Implicit in what I just did is the idea that E(e|D) = 0 --i.e., conditional on the treatment, other factors have a null impact on average. If this is correct, under very mild conditions, there exists an unbiased estimator of b (i.e., some function of observed values of Y and D that, on average, would give you exactly b). That's the ordinary least square estimator and, in this specific context, it happens to be identical to saying your estimate of b is the sample correlation between Y and D which, given that D is either 0 or 1 (Rep. or Dem.), is just a difference between the means of Y when D=0 and D=1... And therein lies the problem: generally, it is not credible to assume that other factors have a null impact conditional on just the treatment, i.e. E(e|D) =/=0. Obviously, that idea generalizes to cases where D takes more than two values.

And, with regards to your comment, IT IS PERFECTLY POSSIBLE FOR THE CAUSAL IMPACT TO HAVE THE OPPOSITE SIGN OF THE SAMPLE CORRELATION. It depends on how large is the bias in the sample correlation, but it is a mathetical possibility. But, you may argue that some case the implied bias would be too large.

What are the questions you should ask then?
1. Well, maybe E(e|D) =/=0, but E(e|D, other variables) = 0. In that case, you can add variables to your regression and the OLS estimator will "clean" the sample correlation of the impact of those variables. Here: are there factors that influence the party of the elected president that also influence the cumulative return on the S&P500 over the tenure of said president?
2. It is possible that you cannot find all the variables you would need to do 1. In that case, you have to get fancy, but all those fancier methods rely on the idea that (1) you have to try to compare apples with apples and (2) you try to find a clever way to use "near apple" cases to help gain information about how the "apple" case works.


Another issue here is that your sense of an economy which goes well is the cumulative return on the S&P500. I am not entirely convinced it is an appropriate measure. Or even that the party holding the Whitehouse is the appropriate treatment given that offices in the House and Senate also matter a great deal, if only because this is where bills originate and are debated.
 
Do your figures account for the 25% share of Bezos stock holdings his x got in divorce settlement? All these people we talk about being worth X amount aren't when you account for how much of that is due the marriage partner. In fact, women partners outlive men who most often leave their $ to them. If women decided to use their money to really push women's rights...

Jeff Bezos' net worth as of today is $180 billion, according to Bloomberg.

Bloomberg Billionaires Index
 
Jeff Bezos' net worth as of today is $180 billion, according to Bloomberg.

Bloomberg Billionaires Index



That -25% settlement in Amazon stock hardly touched him. His value was going up so much so fast, and his business model out competes everybody during COVID to the tune of big-time gain. Starting out as an online bookstore mail delivery.
 
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