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Do Republicans care about the constitution any more?
They don't seem to have any problem changing or just flat out ignoring it if they don't like it so why are they even bothering to pretend they still care about it?

Will they cry foul if Trump cancels the mid-terms or even the main election in 2028?
 
Liberals have been melting down over "dictator" Trump not leaving office since 2020 and earlier.
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You are supporting a president that won't leave office when he loses , you are supporting a dictator. you are this countries biggest threat and that can't be argued , you sold us out, You sold out the flag and the constitution. You are the enemy.

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That's not I'm getting at. Trump has clearly signalled his intent not to accept the results, therefore not to leave office. It's his fault if people are thinking it, not the media's. It's his own words.

As to whether he actually will or...

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Sand Castle said:
Trump is desperate, intimidating voters, very plausible. After all trump and barr were willing to attack peaceful protesters on Lafayette st. for a campaign photo op.
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It is true Trump is becoming more desperate. He recently said he would not necessarily accept the results of the elections, he now has a Gestapo kidnapping people off the street, and he is now contemplating making law by edict:

Trump eyes Supreme Court ruling on DACA as license to skirt the law - Axios

You don't see many libertarians or conservatives complain because, fundamentally, contemporary conservatives...
 

Yes, we're concerned as for the first time in history it's actually a possibility.
Trump himself has mentioned it so you can't somehow claim it's entirely impossible.

Something this important must be 100% and the idea that elections are 100% solid is a must no matter who's in power.
I would also be against Obama going for a third term or threatening to cancel elections if he does win.
I thought you guys loved the constitution but you sure don't seem to mind ignoring it or just breaking it completely as with birthright citizenship of deporting US citizens.
 
Peter said:
Yes, we're concerned as for the first time in history it's actually a possibility.
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What do you mean "first time?" What was 2020 then? The zeroth time?
 
Cosmo said:
What do you mean "first time?" What was 2020 then? The zeroth time?
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Trump never thought for a second he could lose to Biden.
This time he's can't run again by law which is why he might just ignore the law and decide to cancel the elections.

Never underestimate Trumps ability to delude himself about his own infalibility.
 
Another day, another delusional leftist meltdown about the bad orange man...

By the way, being from the UK, how often does your King/Queen leave? Is it every 4 to 8 years?
 
How within our federal/state system might Trump cancel national elections? Unilaterally, he can't. Not without the collaboration of congress and the acquiescence of the states.

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

Any Congressperson supporting a suspension of national elections might consider relocating to Canada or maybe the south of France. They will not be welcomed back into the arms of their home state, that's for certain.
 
Peter said:
Do Republicans care about the constitution any more?
They don't seem to have any problem changing or just flat out ignoring it if they don't like it so why are they even bothering to pretend they still care about it?
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We like the Constitution just fine - although we disagree with a lot of the BS dems seem to think is "constitutional", e.g. sneaking into the country and living for decades sucking up benefits intended for those here legally.
Peter said:
Will they cry foul if Trump cancels the mid-terms or even the main election in 2028?
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Get back to us when he does.
 
Cosmo said:
Another day, another delusional leftist meltdown about the bad orange man...

By the way, being from the UK, how often does your King/Queen leave? Is it every 4 to 8 years?
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The difference is the King is a figurehead who doesnt make policy.
If you knew anything at all about the monarchy you'd know that.
 
Peter said:
Will they cry foul if Trump cancels the mid-terms or even the main election in 2028?
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Perhaps not..................historically, people have given their lives to protect their egos, and Trumpers have sold their souls in a variety of ways so far..........so no....
 
Peter said:
Will they cry foul if Trump cancels the mid-terms or even the main election in 2028?
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I don't think that will work out the way the monarchists hope.
 
Peter said:
Please show where a monarch has ever refused to appoint the PM after an election or being chosen by the party in power.
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Are you done pretending they have no power?
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Also show where any Minister has been removed or blocked from being appointed.

Any at all will do.

These powers are not used and if they were it would cause an instant constitutional crisis and may end the monarchy forever.
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Cosmo said:
Are you done pretending they have no power?
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Again if you knew anything at all about our system you'd know those powers are ceremonial.
No monarch would dare refuse to give assent to a new PM as it would cause instant chaos and as I said most likely start the process to become a republic.

Again, please show where any PM has been blocked from power by a monarch.

It would be akin to a US president ordering a nuclear strike out of the blue on a US city.
Yes, technically he might be allowed to do so but do you think the order would be followed?
 
Peter said:
Again if you knew anything at all about our system you'd know those powers are ceremonial.
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That's not what the link says. Deal with it.
Trump left office despite loads of leftists melting down 5 years ago that he wouldn't. Deal with it.
 
Cosmo said:
That's not what the link says. Deal with it.

Trump left office despite loads of leftists melting down 5 years ago that he wouldn't. Deal with it.
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OK then show where it has happened and the monarch has intervened in UK politics.
The last queen was well known for staying out of politics and not giving an opinion.
Again if you had any idea at all you'd know this stuff.
One of the reasons the monarchy in the UK is so popular is that they aren't politicians or political active.

Just having a power doesnt mean they will or can ever use it.
 
Peter said:
OK then show where it has happened
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OK then show me where Trump stayed in office on January 21, 2021.
 
Cosmo said:
OK then show me where Trump stayed in office in January 21, 2021.
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As I said Trump didn't think he could ever lose so why would he bother planning for such an event.
Trump never plans anything which can be seen perfectly by his stream of consciousness tarrifs that pop out of nowhere and are repealed just as fast.

He has the forward planning ability of an excitable puppy.

This time he knows he can't legally run again so may decide to just ignore the law and run again or just stay in power.
Trump has ignored the law before, he may do so again.
 
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