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"The Constitution grants us rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness – not abortions." - Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R)

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The pill princess of Tennessee doesn’t give a shit about anything except retaining her office.
 
We're in trouble. Seriously. I get the teens asked at the mall but when our government doesn't know we're dust.
 
Ginger Ale said:
We're in trouble. Seriously. I get the teens asked at the mall but when our government doesn't know we're dust.
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Her appalling ignorance is far, far down the list of problems compared to the billions spent to promote plutocracy that keep her in office. She is a clown there to approve of the corrupt agenda put in front of her.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm not familiar with her. If it's an honest mistake (declaration, not constitution), that's one thing. The abortion part is flat out wrong.
 
I looked at the Wikipedia page on her political views: They're bad.
 
What she is saying is generally correct.

The declaration of independence was from England's control. The bill of rights, which is part of the constitution is what grants us our legal rights.
 
The U.S. Constitution does not say anything at all about abortions.
But, the 9th Amendment, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Each individual Woman has an unalienable Right to make her own choice to give birth to or abort a pregnancy.
And the 15th Amendment, Section 1., "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are
citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce
any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.", IMO, promulgates the Right of an individual Woman citizen to have the sovereign Right of creating a new citizen or not.
 
trouble13 said:
What she is saying is generally correct.

The declaration of independence was from England's control. The bill of rights, which is part of the constitution is what grants us our legal rights.
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I would prefer the term "recognizes" over "grants". The word "grants", IMO, works better with privileges.
 
Individual said:
The U.S. Constitution does not say anything at all about abortions.
But, the 9th Amendment, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Each individual Woman has an unalienable Right to make her own choice to give birth to or abort a pregnancy.
And the 15th Amendment, Section 1., "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are
citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce
any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.", IMO, promulgates the Right of an individual Woman citizen to have the sovereign Right of creating a new citizen or not.
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"The U.S. Constitution does not say anything at all about abortions."

Neither does the Bible, But, I'll bet she's all for prohibiting them because of her "faith." At least, RvW was based on the right to privacy.
 
Does the right to liberty include body autonomy?
 
This is really nothing more than an exercise in rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

America has an outdated bit of crap as a constitution that they treat more like a religious icon than a legal document.

Put the ****ing thing in a museum where it belongs and write out a constitution that actually reflects america in the 21st century.
 
soylentgreen said:
This is really nothing more than an exercise in rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

America has an outdated bit of crap as a constitution that they treat more like a religious icon than a legal document.

Put the ****ing thing in a museum where it belongs and write out a constitution that actually reflects america in the 21st century.
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Why?

It has been working just fine since its inception. And we can modify it and amend it as necessary.
 
soylentgreen said:
This is really nothing more than an exercise in rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

America has an outdated bit of crap as a constitution that they treat more like a religious icon than a legal document.

Put the ****ing thing in a museum where it belongs and write out a constitution that actually reflects america in the 21st century.
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plus, she's a politician and doesn't know that those words are not in our constitution.
 
Individual said:
The U.S. Constitution does not say anything at all about abortions.
But, the 9th Amendment, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Each individual Woman has an unalienable Right to make her own choice to give birth to or abort a pregnancy.
And the 15th Amendment, Section 1., "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are
citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce
any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor
shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor
deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.", IMO, promulgates the Right of an individual Woman citizen to have the sovereign Right of creating a new citizen or not.
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Very good, except it's the 14th, not the 15th A. :)

And re: the 9th, previously posted:

It's protected under the 9th Amendment. There needs to be some reason(s) to ban something. If there are no legitimate reasons to ban something or restrict it, it's recognized for the people. SCOTUS referred to the 9th in RvW.

It's the same as this, for example:

--people have a right to consensual sex
--people have a right to reproduce
--people have a right to travel throughout the country
 
Questerr said:
Does the right to liberty include body autonomy?
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This is the definition I like: liberty, the positive enjoyment of social, political, or economic rights and privileges.

This should not be violated without due process, per the 14th Amendment.
 
BirdinHand said:
Why?

It has been working just fine since its inception. And we can modify it and amend it as necessary.
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No it has not being working fine. It is a left over from a period of slavery and white privilege.
Case in point the subject of rights especially for women are not even mentioned because they were not an issue back then.

And no you cannot modify it because it takes a two third majority in both houses. And the likely hood of two political parties that hate each other coming to any agreement is highly unlikely.
 
soylentgreen said:
No it has not being working fine. It is a left over from a period of slavery and white privilege.
Case in point the subject of rights especially for women are not even mentioned because they were not an issue back then.

And no you cannot modify it because it takes a two third majority in both houses. And the likely hood of two political parties that hate each other coming to any agreement is highly unlikely.
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And yet we have done it 27+ times.
 
Lursa said:
Very good, except it's the 14th, not the 15th A. :)

And re: the 9th, previously posted:

It's protected under the 9th Amendment. There needs to be some reason(s) to ban something. If there are no legitimate reasons to ban something or restrict it, it's recognized for the people. SCOTUS referred to the 9th in RvW.

It's the same as this, for example:

--people have a right to consensual sex
--people have a right to reproduce
--people have a right to travel throughout the country
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Yes, the 14th, I should have noticed that. Thank you.
 
BirdinHand said:
Why?

It has been working just fine since its inception. And we can modify it and amend it as necessary.
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And we should, and eliminate/reduce the need of interpretation by the use of clear and concise language.
 
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