The Communists Love Hillary, Sanders, Kaine... In their own words.

[Gaugingcatenate]

:lamo

Fascism's economic policies are absolutely not compatible with communism. It's literally a polar opposite: championing the work and success of the individual, specifically declaring profit to be private. Fascists believed you should have separate social classes. They were militaristic corporatists.

Read the **** up on fascism, dude. You're pulling stuff out of your ass.

Oh, I ve read my fair share pal, its you that need to read up. Specifically, did you read what I wrote, carefully, or did you just go into your little canned speech right off the bat?

 

[Deuce]

Oh, I ve read my fair share pal, its you that need to read up. Specifically, did you read what I wrote, carefully, or did you just go into your little canned speech right off the bat?

Yes, I read what you wrote. You wrote that fascism is "more similar to communism," which is hilarious.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

You're conflating a label with a concept.

The concept has been explained to you.

Explain it again as I seemed to have missed the label conflation with the concept. I think you are dreaming.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Yes, I read what you wrote. You wrote that fascism is "more similar to communism," which is hilarious.

...than...???

 

[Deuce]

...than...???

Does it matter? I suppose it's more similar to communism than peanut butter.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Does it matter? I suppose it's more similar to communism than peanut butter.

Hey, you got one right.

 

[Absentglare]

Explain it again as I seemed to have missed the label conflation with the concept. I think you are dreaming.

I can call myself a socialist, but that doesn't mean that my beliefs coincide with the ideology known as socialism.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

I can call myself a socialist, but that doesn't mean that my beliefs coincide with the ideology known as socialism.

Or, I guess you could call yourself peanut butter, as some would suggest.

If many, perhaps the majority, of the traits of one overlap onto another, they are more similar than different. The reality of historical Communism, especially Stalinism, and Fascism have more traits in common than they do with our system, democracy and Capitalism... and they come out of the sphere of the left, not the American form of the right. I will give you some, totalitarianism, anti-democratic thought, one party system, dictatorship, social order, militarism, heavy influence/control of the economy by government. Under both F & C individual rights were subordinate to the group.

What you call yourself is not entirely irrelevant, but what can be factually associated can be used as a determinate of the truth.

 

[wist43]

It's a lost cause to try to debate with anyone who thinks that the fact that their name for their party includes the words "National Socialists" means that they are, in fact, leftists.

It is the "left" itself that has worked to muddy the meanings of terms. Doing so allows them to cast their opponents in a negative light by using the long-time leftist tactic of "associate your enemy with a bad smell", i.e. the "right" is "fascist", and fascism is bad. A very handy tool for the "left".

In reality, at their core - fascism, socialism, and communism are all the same thing, i.e. they are predicated upon unlimited government power and control over the people. How the oligarchy which wields that power chooses to use it is irrelevant - afterall, what is the difference if you're gassed by Hitler, starved by Stalin, or shot by Mao??

All totalitarianism/authoritarianism is left on the political spectrum. Liberty is right on the political spectrum.

Democracy is a deceptive, transitional form of government that always leads to collapse and tyranny. The only form of government that can establish necessary government and protect liberty is that of a republic, i.e. where the rule of law restricts the government. America was founded on these principles, but sadly the people have been deceived into abandoning them and we are now marching toward a predictable collapse.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Or, I guess you could call yourself peanut butter, as some would suggest.

If many, perhaps the majority, of the traits of one overlap onto another, they are more similar than different. The reality of historical Communism, especially Stalinism, and Fascism have more traits in common than they do with our system, democracy and Capitalism... and they come out of the sphere of the left, not the American form of the right. I will give you some, totalitarianism, anti-democratic thought, one party system, dictatorship, social order, militarism, heavy influence/control of the economy by government. Under both F & C individual rights were subordinate to the group.

What you call yourself is not entirely irrelevant, but what can be factually associated can be used as a determinate of the truth.

Who was the Trump aide this week who says he believes in capitalism more than democracy?





A: Stephen Moore.

 

[Mr Person]

It is the "left" itself that has worked to muddy the meanings of terms. Doing so allows them to cast their opponents in a negative light by using the long-time leftist tactic of "associate your enemy with a bad smell", i.e. the "right" is "fascist", and fascism is bad. A very handy tool for the "left".

Oh, shut up. If you want people to read your posts, don't start with a stupid rant about "the left".



And it's not my fault that you and/or others cannot understand that "socliasm" describes an economic system, meanwhile "fascism" (nazis) describes a governmental system.

 

[d0gbreath]

So the American Communist Party members are going to vote for Clinton?

Good! We'll take votes antway we can get them. There is no 2nd place or 1st runner up.

 

[Deuce]

Or, I guess you could call yourself peanut butter, as some would suggest.

If many, perhaps the majority, of the traits of one overlap onto another, they are more similar than different. The reality of historical Communism, especially Stalinism, and Fascism have more traits in common than they do with our system, democracy and Capitalism... and they come out of the sphere of the left, not the American form of the right. I will give you some, totalitarianism, anti-democratic thought, one party system, dictatorship, social order, militarism, heavy influence/control of the economy by government. Under both F & C individual rights were subordinate to the group.

What you call yourself is not entirely irrelevant, but what can be factually associated can be used as a determinate of the truth.

Corporatism, class separation, and ultranationalism: "come out of the sphere of the left."

 

[blaxshep]

And it's not my fault that you and/or others cannot understand that "socliasm" describes an economic system, meanwhile "fascism" (nazis) describes a governmental system.

Except that Socialism relies on fascism to exist.

 

[Absentglare]

Except that Socialism relies on fascism to exist.

Not even slightly true.

 

[Mr Person]

Except that Socialism relies on fascism to exist.

No, it doesn't, as illustrated by many European states with various forms of representative Democracy. They aren't purely socialist, but they definitely have a number of state-run industries that we do not. Even in an effectively pure socialist nation, like the U.S.S.R. used to be, "facism" isn't what is required. Some form of authoritarianism is, generally, because pure socialism means nationalizing everything, which necessarily requires force. This is seen in every country that claims to be "communist" (no true communist countries have or will ever exist, as what communism actually entails is the dissolving of government following socialism.)


It may be that on the far left (socialism) and far right (fascism), one sees some form of authoritarianism, but that does NOT means that nazis are leftists. That's just stupid and wrong.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Who was the Trump aide this week who says he believes in capitalism more than democracy?





A: Stephen Moore.

Your point?

Capitalism [ true capitalism not crony capitalism as we suffer in my country ] is probably about as good a human system as we have developed on the planet. Especially with voluntary exchange. Consumer sovereignty and the hundreds of millions of invisible hands governing the markets can work pretty well. Democracy on the other hand can be very slow, very messy and, depending on the the intelligence, the plain sentience vs sapience levels of electorate, the quality of our elected officials in a republic.

Also, very rarely if ever does big business, and under capitalism with true competition big business would not/should not be dominant, kill millions of its own consumers. Whereas big governments, we can observe just last century, are the modern culprits killing millions of their own and other citizens oftentimes. Democracies tend to do this less, but again, it is the lesser of the two.

 

[wist43]

Oh, shut up. If you want people to read your posts, don't start with a stupid rant about "the left".



And it's not my fault that you and/or others cannot understand that "socliasm" describes an economic system, meanwhile "fascism" (nazis) describes a governmental system.

Government control of the economy - which is government force. There isn't a dimes worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, b/c they are both controlled by the Establishment, i.e. an oligarchy.

The same is true of any socialist, fascist, or communist state. As a leftist, you may not like the truth - in fact I'm sure you're allergic to it - but it is what it is.

Sadly you are like most Americans - indoctrinated.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Corporatism, class separation, and ultranationalism: "come out of the sphere of the left."

Have you looked at the two major Fascists last century, Hitler and Mussolini? They came out of the left... liberal fascism for certain. Hitler was fighting the Commies in his country clawing for numbers out of the same base, the Nazis were the German worker's party after all. They just did not want to take orders from a Moscow which was not ultra-national but instead the leaders of the Communist International, the Comintern.

 

[zimmer]

So, per YOUR "Logic" the GOP are aligned with the Nazi Party since they support Trump. Hmmmm, me thinks you are just reaching again, when will you ever learn.......................:roll:

Weak, and illustrative of your lacking the ability to think.

R's do not support anything related to the National Socialists.

We have none in the party.

D's on the other hand, ran two socialists... One admitted, one who typically hides the true intentions.

Communists share a platform of Demokrats (aka Socialists if Amerika Partei)... And as they noted... The Demokrat party has come to them.

 

[Kobie]

Weak, and illustrative of your lacking the ability to think.

R's do not support anything related to the National Socialists.

We have none in the party.

D's on the other hand, ran two socialists... One admitted, one who typically hides the true intentions.

Communists share a platform of Demokrats (aka Socialists if Amerika Partei)... And as they noted... The Demokrat party has come to them.

Your dishonesty is, quite frankly, laughable.

 

[Casper]

Weak, and illustrative of your lacking the ability to think.

R's do not support anything related to the National Socialists.

We have none in the party.

D's on the other hand, ran two socialists... One admitted, one who typically hides the true intentions.

Communists share a platform of Demokrats (aka Socialists if Amerika Partei)... And as they noted... The Demokrat party has come to them.

Funny, you claim I am not thinking then spout stuff that shows that you do not know what the term means, noted.

 

[Ikari]

Except that Socialism relies on fascism to exist.

Well it's a good thing that we're already well down the road of fascism then, huh?