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The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census


The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census
July 8, 2019 ~ By Matt Vespa
Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. We’ve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. It’s been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier ): Attorney General Barr tells SC reporters he's found a legal recourse on Census question | News | postandcourier.com
Again, the Democrats are going to go ballistic, so grab some popcorn. We’ll see what happens.


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I have no problem with illegals being counted... it's nice to know where they're at so we can direct our ICE resources to the right areas. I have a problem with illegals being used for apportionment of Congressional Districts. Besides... Progressive Marxist Socialists/DSA Democrats shouldn't need the illegals with all the dead people they have voting. The Constitution demands that a citizenship question be included on the decadal census. (See: Article 1, Section 2, "The 3/5ths Compromise"). Now, this might seem a strange place to start, but bear with me because the 3/5th compromise is relevant to the constitutional amendment which articulates the need for the citizenship question. That amendment is the 14th Amendment which provided full citizenship for everyone regardless of race. Section '1' of the 14th Amendment defines the criteria for being a U.S. citizen and also states that anyone who is a U.S. citizen is a citizen in all states.
 

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if Tweety's undercount attempt succeeds, the tainted census should be thrown out as unconstitutional. my guess is that the attempt will fail. Tweety has already been told no by his friendly SCOTUS.
 

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The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census


The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census
July 8, 2019 ~ By Matt Vespa
Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. We’ve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. It’s been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier ): Attorney General Barr tells SC reporters he's found a legal recourse on Census question | News | postandcourier.com
Again, the Democrats are going to go ballistic, so grab some popcorn. We’ll see what happens.


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I have no problem with illegals being counted... it's nice to know where they're at so we can direct our ICE resources to the right areas. I have a problem with illegals being used for apportionment of Congressional Districts. Besides... Progressive Marxist Socialists/DSA Democrats shouldn't need the illegals with all the dead people they have voting. The Constitution demands that a citizenship question be included on the decadal census. (See: Article 1, Section 2, "The 3/5ths Compromise"). Now, this might seem a strange place to start, but bear with me because the 3/5th compromise is relevant to the constitutional amendment which articulates the need for the citizenship question. That amendment is the 14th Amendment which provided full citizenship for everyone regardless of race. Section '1' of the 14th Amendment defines the criteria for being a U.S. citizen and also states that anyone who is a U.S. citizen is a citizen in all states.
Free Blacks were counted as whole persons. Asians (who could not be citizens) were counted as whole persons.
There is nothing about citizenship in the general rules for apportionment. In the case that a state denies the vote to any male citizen age 21 or over for any reason other than a crime, then representation is to be dropped by the percent of denied from the whole number of 21+ male citizens.

But that has never been invoked and the citizenship information doesn’t have to come from the decennial census.
 

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if Tweety's undercount attempt succeeds, the tainted census should be thrown out as unconstitutional. my guess is that the attempt will fail. Tweety has already been told no by his friendly SCOTUS.
What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship ...
What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship question | PolitiFact
Yes. The first Census was conducted in 1790 and asked for the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household, including slaves. (President George Washington and Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson both were skeptical of the 3.9 million count, expecting the number of inhabitants to be higher.)
 

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This is actually somewhat plausible. SCOTUS did not rule against the question, just the due diligence. If there is a way to satisfy the Court's objections in the timeframe necessary, it might pass muster.

That said, I don't expect it to work.
 

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Free Blacks were counted as whole persons. Asians (who could not be citizens) were counted as whole persons.
There is nothing about citizenship in the general rules for apportionment. In the case that a state denies the vote to any male citizen age 21 or over for any reason other than a crime, then representation is to be dropped by the percent of denied from the whole number of 21+ male citizens.

But that has never been invoked and the citizenship information doesn’t have to come from the decennial census.

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You're correct. Trump can use the numbers indicated from IRS Federal returns. This shows the number of dependents and if a person is filing individually or jointly. Another method of tabulation is those people filing for Social Security numbers and payments to SSI. I believe the numbers from IRS would be more accurate in as much as illegal aliens would not be applying for Social Security numbers or benefits. Since Individual IRS tax forms are optically read, it would be simple to tabulate dependents from each household filing their tax forms.....
 
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You're correct. Trump can use the numbers indicated from IRS Federal returns. This shows the number of dependents and if a person is filing individually or jointly. Another method of tabulation is those people filing for Social Security numbers and payments to SSI. I believe the numbers from IRS would be more accurate in as much as illegal aliens would not be applying for Social Security numbers or benefits. Since Individual IRS tax forms are optically read, it would be simple to tabulate dependents from each household filing their tax forms.....
There still has to be an actual census every 10 years. Tax records would be an enormously difficult inaccurate measure of the population.
 

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There still has to be an actual census every 10 years. Tax records would be an enormously difficult inaccurate measure of the population.
How many illegal aliens do you know that file annual tax returns?
 

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There still has to be an actual census every 10 years. Tax records would be an enormously difficult inaccurate measure of the population.


Correct there must be a census according to the U.S. Constitution according to Article 1 Section 2. That is so U.S. Representatives be properly assigned. For example 27 U.S. Representatives are assigned for NY State whereas there are only four (4) Representatives assigned for Rhode Island by population Illegals aliens reported as citizens violates Article 1 Section 2 of the Constitution.

See: U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 2 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 2 - The House
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The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.
 

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What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship ...
What you need to know about the Census’ citizenship question | PolitiFact
Yes. The first Census was conducted in 1790 and asked for the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household, including slaves. (President George Washington and Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson both were skeptical of the 3.9 million count, expecting the number of inhabitants to be higher.)
King Tangface wants the question included in order to scare Latinos into not responding so that he can facilitate an undercount. that's why the SCOTUS told him no.
 

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How many illegal aliens do you know that file annual tax returns?
What does that have to do with anything?

But in any case, I think the estimate is somewhere between 50-75% pay income taxes.
 

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Correct there must be a census according to the U.S. Constitution according to Article 1 Section 2. That is so U.S. Representatives be properly assigned. For example 27 U.S. Representatives are assigned for NY State whereas there are only four (4) Representatives assigned for Rhode Island by population Illegals aliens reported as citizens violates Article 1 Section 2 of the Constitution.

See: U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 2 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 2 - The House
<<Back | Table of Contents | Next>>
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.) (The previous sentence in parentheses was modified by the 14th Amendment, section 2.) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five and Georgia three.
And as you see, nothing in there limiting representation to citizens or on the basis of immigration status.
 

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The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census


The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census
July 8, 2019 ~ By Matt Vespa
Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. We’ve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. It’s been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier ): Attorney General Barr tells SC reporters he's found a legal recourse on Census question | News | postandcourier.com
Again, the Democrats are going to go ballistic, so grab some popcorn. We’ll see what happens.


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I have no problem with illegals being counted... it's nice to know where they're at so we can direct our ICE resources to the right areas. I have a problem with illegals being used for apportionment of Congressional Districts. Besides... Progressive Marxist Socialists/DSA Democrats shouldn't need the illegals with all the dead people they have voting. The Constitution demands that a citizenship question be included on the decadal census. (See: Article 1, Section 2, "The 3/5ths Compromise"). Now, this might seem a strange place to start, but bear with me because the 3/5th compromise is relevant to the constitutional amendment which articulates the need for the citizenship question. That amendment is the 14th Amendment which provided full citizenship for everyone regardless of race. Section '1' of the 14th Amendment defines the criteria for being a U.S. citizen and also states that anyone who is a U.S. citizen is a citizen in all states.
None of this matters. The census is suppose to count permanent inhabitants. It doesn't matter if they are citizens or not, nor does it matter if they are legally in the US or not. If they are permanently living within the jurisdiction of the US, then they need to be counted for apportionment purposes. The US Constitution specifically states that we should be counting "free persons," not just citizens. Meaning all permanent inhabitants currently in the US.

Clause 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment says anyone who is born within the jurisdiction of the US is a US citizen. US citizenship is different from State resident status. Most States require someone to reside in the State for a minimum of a year before granting them resident status. They are still US citizens, just not residents of that State yet if they haven't lived in that State long enough.
 

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This question and reaction to the citizen question, comes down to the ability to be truthful on the census, versus the need to be vague. People of honest intent are not afraid of the truth. Those who are afraid of the truth, fear the truth will undermine a scam they hope to run. The Democrats do not care about the immigrants. They care about the scam they hope to run.

A better way to do this is instead of a direct citizen question, we can use a number of innocuous questions from which one can infer things. For example, how long have you been in the USA? We have the exact numbers for legal immigration. One can infer illegals from this data. This does not ask if you are a citizen, or are here legally, but still allows one to guess bulk numbers. It is less threatening.
 

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King Tangface wants the question included in order to scare Latinos into not responding so that he can facilitate an undercount. that's why the SCOTUS told him no.

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Wrong.... It's all about the number of U.S. Representatives to Congress. The census also depends on the funds cities and states receive by the Federal gov't. The census needs to be accurate and citizenship versus non-citizenship is at the core. We the People have a Right To Know.....
 

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Wrong.... It's all about the number of U.S. Representatives to Congress. The census also depends on the funds cities and states receive by the Federal gov't. The census needs to be accurate and citizenship versus non-citizenship is at the core. We the People have a Right To Know.....
He's using it to help his own party. That's why the SCOTUS ruled against him.
 

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What does that have to do with anything?

But in any case, I think the estimate is somewhere between 50-75% pay income taxes.
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Can you furnish a link for that. Citizens are required to file Federal and State income taxes that require the use of their Social Security number, in lieu of a SSN, an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is required. This nine digit number is similar to the Social Security number but can only be used for filing income taxes. For example Foreigners with green cards, work visas or education visas can apply. Naturally illegal aliens do not apply for ITIN. Illegal aliens use phony SSN's and they due pay city and state taxes when purchasing taxable items. Using a phony or someone else's SSN is illegal and considered identity theft and is punishable by law.
 

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He's using it to help his own party. That's why the SCOTUS ruled against him.

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Former President Bill Clinton’s Department of Commerce asked about citizenship in their 2000 census. What is striking in the 2010 census form is the lack of citizenship or birthplace question. The inclusion of place of birth and citizenship has been included for more than 150 years. However the annual American Community Survey (ACS), a lesser-known tabulation conducted by the Census Bureau, asked recipients about their citizenship status every year during the Obama administration. For each person in the household, the survey asks, “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” The form offers five options for participants. The Obama administration asked ACS recipients for all relevant Census information, including citizenship status in every year of its incumbency.
 

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Former President Bill Clinton’s Department of Commerce asked about citizenship in their 2000 census. What is striking in the 2010 census form is the lack of citizenship or birthplace question. The inclusion of place of birth and citizenship has been included for more than 150 years. However the annual American Community Survey (ACS), a lesser-known tabulation conducted by the Census Bureau, asked recipients about their citizenship status every year during the Obama administration. For each person in the household, the survey asks, “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” The form offers five options for participants. The Obama administration asked ACS recipients for all relevant Census information, including citizenship status in every year of its incumbency.
SCOTUS rejected his effort to aid his party. If the new rules are that the executive can defy the SCOTUS, then it's game on for the next Democratic administration.
 

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Can you furnish a link for that. Citizens are required to file Federal and State income taxes that require the use of their Social Security number, in lieu of a SSN, an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is required. This nine digit number is similar to the Social Security number but can only be used for filing income taxes. For example Foreigners with green cards, work visas or education visas can apply. Naturally illegal aliens do not apply for ITIN. Illegal aliens use phony SSN's and they due pay city and state taxes when purchasing taxable items. Using a phony or someone else's SSN is illegal and considered identity theft and is punishable by law.
If an invalid ssn is used for tax withholding, the IRS tells the employer. That’s it. As for ITN, here is the IRS specifically saying it is for undocumented workers: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/20-Immigration and Taxation.pdf
More links ‘splaining things: How do Undocumented Immigrants Pay Federal Taxes? An Explainer | Bipartisan Policy Center
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/110th-congress-2007-2008/reports/12-6-immigration.pdf
Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions - The New York Times
 

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The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census


The Coming Democratic Meltdown: AG Barr Says He Found A Way to Get Key Citizenship Question On Census
July 8, 2019 ~ By Matt Vespa
Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. We’ve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. It’s been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier ): Attorney General Barr tells SC reporters he's found a legal recourse on Census question | News | postandcourier.com
Again, the Democrats are going to go ballistic, so grab some popcorn. We’ll see what happens.


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I have no problem with illegals being counted... it's nice to know where they're at so we can direct our ICE resources to the right areas. I have a problem with illegals being used for apportionment of Congressional Districts. Besides... Progressive Marxist Socialists/DSA Democrats shouldn't need the illegals with all the dead people they have voting. The Constitution demands that a citizenship question be included on the decadal census. (See: Article 1, Section 2, "The 3/5ths Compromise"). Now, this might seem a strange place to start, but bear with me because the 3/5th compromise is relevant to the constitutional amendment which articulates the need for the citizenship question. That amendment is the 14th Amendment which provided full citizenship for everyone regardless of race. Section '1' of the 14th Amendment defines the criteria for being a U.S. citizen and also states that anyone who is a U.S. citizen is a citizen in all states.
Dream until your dream comes true...that's the only place it's going to happen, in your and trump's dreams.
 

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AG Barr finds another way to fellate Trump.

This is not news, it's totally expected.
 
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